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[WildBill]

I think I'm going to change the timing of my feeds to morning.
During lights on, currently I'm running my humidifier at 55% and have my dehumidifier set below that. In the tents I have the exhaust fans set at a steady state and a high temperature limit set, currently to 82 degrees. When it hits that limit the fan goes to full blast! With those settings the temperature and the VPD remain pretty stable and within the limits that I've set.

When lights go out, I change the setting on my dehumidifier and lower it and I also lower the setting on the humidifier to lower than the dehumidifier. Along with that I also turn on the high humidity setting on my exhaust fan. Same as with the high temperature switch the exhaust fan goes to Max when the high humidity limit trips.
With all that watering I just did, the exhaust fans do stay on the high setting for quite a long while.

If I start watering in the morning, all that humidity from the water will get kicked out into the lung room and the humidifier won't run as much .

By changing that routine I will have less of a chance of high humidity in off cycle and more efficient use of the moisture during on Cycle.

The only bad thing about the way I'm currently running the girls in the grow room is that I can't automate any of that Changeover. That means that 6:00 AM and 6:00 PM I have to change settings.

I can run it differently, but it just won't be as accurate as I want.


Currently, the girls are at day 52 since flip, with six days later showing first signs of flower.
Asian Haze Flowering time: 9-10 weeks...........63-70 days. I'm definitely think these are gonna run toward the longer end. I think if it were to the lower end, I'd already be seeing signs of fade.
What I am seeing is a nice bulking up of the big pot girl with more of the foxtail-esque like growth. All top growth on all the girls is getting much much harder.

The leaf condition on the big pot girl, I think is extremely good at this stage. One of the oldest big fan leaves has just a slight discoloration. Now the five gallon girls do have some small older fan leaves that are yellowing. Absolutely no spots anywhere on leaves. And I think that's to be expected given the size of girls and the size of the pots being organic. There is just only so much nutrients that root system can take up. I think that that can hit them with a little bit of nitrogen and not cost things to go screwy. More than likely they will get a combination of soaking some bat guano in some warm water and filtering that off along with a fairly hefty dose of aminos.

I just got off the phone with BAS and I asked a question about the Rootwise enzymes. So when I feed, I can use that with every feed. And I was really afraid to use it that often. I think that one thing will help me out quite a bit to keep the girls nice pretty as long as I can.

Now, the next question is, am I at the point that I need to begin to lower the temperatures and the VPD to help preserve all the terpenes. I don't really want to start it too soon and harm the bud production. Lowing temperatures will also lower microbial activity to a degree.
@Jean-O
@Antonio_DutchPassion
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Do you guys think that maybe the sign I should be looking for is the beginning of fade to begin this lowering of temperature and VPD? I really don't think this girl has an extravagant fade, I think it's pretty subtle. I think it should be pretty similar to what the seeded girls are currently doing. Just ever so slight purpling at the very tops.

 

[WildBill]

Alright I've begun to tweak on the tent settings to bring down my VPD around 1.4 to 1.3 area currently. Right now, I'm shooting for 78 degrees Fahrenheit.

The 5 gallon pot girls are following behind the big girl. They did so in the beginning of flower and now they have begun to exhibit the same type of bulking up with the semi-foxtailing like structure. It really is interesting to see the difference in the plants just because of pot size. That's why I like growing this plant. They're always showing you different things. If you're observing and pay attention to your girls.

Yeah I think I need a little more nitrogen on the next feed. Gonna soak the bat guano again. A dose of the Blue Gold Flower could also be a bit helpful with its little bit higher nitrogen content. I think I'm gonna give a full dose of my FPJ for some flower needs. I think a half dose of amino's will help everything move a bit better and I'm going to hit it with the RootWise enzymes again. Think I'm going to use that all the way out till chop.

I just wanna say again that all this various use of different ferments and different fertilizers, to this degree, Is purely because of pot size. With the larger pot size, I just wouldn't need to hit it this hard and this often.

Along with the environmental change, I made a lighting change. With the way I had the UV light Running 10 minutes out of the hour and the smart plug of the AC Infinity controller. I really had to turn it off and on twice a day. well no big deal because I had other things to do at each one of those times, but I like to get it a little bit more simple. I don't have to remember it!
I now have it set to two hours in mid light cycle, so like in real life, the plant gets the most UV midday.

Like Dr Bugsby said, "UV does not increase cannibinoids." But we all know he doesn't smoke. I definitely think it increases the terpenes! And we know that it causes other changes. I wouldn't be surprised if it changes the flavonoids to some degree. This will be the least amount that I have used this particular UV setup. I think really if I wanted to have a substantial influence on it, I probably would have started it with this current cycle at the beginning of flower. It was plain and simple that I didn't trust the ace infinity smart plug controllers that I had. And actually I didn't trust the replacements. I want to wait a little bit to see if anybody had any other reports such as mine. Once when I finally decided to go ahead and get this set up, I called AC Infinity and we tracked down to the serial numbers that we could exclude from being worried about and mine were part of those.

I think the 5 gallon pot girls can last quite easily until tomorrow morning. It will definitely be a first thing to do.

That means I need to soak the Bat Guano tonight. I'll just have Alexa remind me later on.



The secret eyes and ears.................." What do you think this ' Soak the Bat guano' Really means?"

 

[WildBill]

Tweaking each baseline exhaust fan flow helped lower the VPD and all three tents were running 1.3 to 1.4.
I also changed the high speed trigger to at 78 degrees. I'm probably gonna play with it a little bit more today.
The bat guano is soaking. I based the amount on two tablespoons per girl that I'm feeding.
I will probably feed around 10:00 AM. We'll see how that feeding works with my attempts of tweaking the environment.

The girls in the 4x4 tent are just cruising along and adding more flower. You can definitely tell that the big girl is really bulking up by her sway. You can feel the bulk when you sway her! I added couple more supports for the branches to support the added bulk. On the big girl I'm really surprised at how far down the firm buds actually go. I think just that one large defoliation is sufficient enough to shed light more efficiently through the entire canopy of the plant. Asian haze already has a fairly efficient leaf structure. I think later on down the line when I have my grow grew in my shop built, I'll be able to run two Asian Haze side by side and let one do its thing naturally and then the other as I have with these and one major defoliation. Be able to see who makes the most bud and the most with the best quality bud.

Here's the seeded Asian haze in the 2X4 tent. You can see the pretty purpling coming up.

 

[Sawney_bean]

Very nice indeed mate

 

[WildBill]

Very nice indeed mate

Thanks man! I appreciate it!
I think right now, the big girl is pretty much on cruise control. I definitely expect her haul to be fairly substantial. She definitely has the heft!
On the smaller pot girls, I'm just going to keep on trudging along and hopefully I can take them to harvest with minimal problems as possible. While definitely not very optimal at all, at least it does show me, and other interested parties, That it is possible to hopefully grow very decent bud in case you find yourself with big girls and small pots and growing organically.

At least I have proven to myself that bigger roots mean bigger fruits! I'll guarantee you that the ratio of buds to plant biomass is much higher in the bigger potted girl with the larger root system.
And that is with no topping and really no training. With one or two rounds of toppings and with extensive training, I think there would be Quite substantially more bud and more top quality bud.

 

[WildBill]

Well I have a few pucks soaking in some water with all the goodies in it.

Going to do a few things.
I'm gonna go ahead and see if I can sprout that one Crazy Asian seed that I found. I doubt very seriously if I can harvest anything of substance by the time Christmas rolls around. I plan to visit my son during that time. I'll just be curious about what kind of structure it's going to show.

And I'm finally going to get my dumb ass to cloning Bob. Bob is my ivy that I have had for right at 30 years now. Bob was part of the floral arrangement that I bought for my Uncle Bob when he passed away. I up potted him once when he was about 10 years old and haven't changed him since. So I'm gonna take a bunch of cuttings and put them in my humidity dome along with all the others I'm doing today.

I'm also going to plant a couple of Sour Stompers. They will be the seeds that I made a couple years ago when I reversed a Sour Stomper.

Once everything is all sprouted and rooted, The sprouted cannabis will go into three gallon living earth bags and the Bob Clones will go into be small cloning bags to get their root structure well established.

I'll take the two girls in the 3x3 tent and place them in the 2X4 tent to finish out. All the stuff I do today will go in the 3x3 tent. I should be able to finish out the Sour Stomper Before Christmas. I don't think I will dry it for flower, but freeze it for a dry ice shake. I haven't made any Live Rosin with her yet.

I am gonna take one of the Bob clones and pot it up separately and give it to my son as a Christmas present this year. He loved his Uncle Bob and I'm quite sure he would appreciate it.

I've got a nice new big pot picked out for my Bob Clones. I'll just use some of my old media and start up a Top dressing layer. I'll get him his own little small LED light and put it on a timer so that I can sleep at night.

 

[WildBill]

Yeah I think I need a little more nitrogen on the next feed. Gonna soak the bat guano again. A dose of the Blue Gold Flower could also be a bit helpful with its little bit higher nitrogen content. I think I'm gonna give a full dose of my FPJ for some flower needs. I think a half dose of amino's will help everything move a bit better and I'm going to hit it with the RootWise enzymes again. Think I'm going to use that all the way out till chop.

I just wanna say again that all this various use of different ferments and different fertilizers, to this degree, Is purely because of pot size. With the larger pot size, I just wouldn't need to hit it this hard and this often.

Well the mixture was as above but with a little bit of molasses added at one tablespoon per gallon. And I also added the soaking solution that I was soaking the pucks in. It was a pretty weak solution of Rootwise inoculate, Coconut water and a tiny bit of Aloe Vera.

Filtered out the solids out of the Guano solution and put it on top of the big girl. I washed it in a little bit with the watering solution.

4x4 tent

3x3 tent

On both of these small tents you'll see some yellowing and Browning on the plants . That was from when a circuit breaker tripped and killed the AC several weeks ago. On the small tents it also killed the exhaust fans , but did not kill the lights. It got a little bit warm in there! The girls in the 4x4 tent weren't even phased because That Exhaust fan stayed on.
That was an usual occurrence and hadn't happened in a very long while. That was before I done a load test on everything and was well under the load. The only thing I can figure out I had a couple of things start at the same time. Both my AC units are Inverter style so there's no large load spike. It may be time that circuit breaker needs to be changed.

2X4 tent

 

[WildBill]

I've made a few more environmental changes and here are the conditions in each of the tents in the grow room.

I thought it'd be appropriate to share a post that I made to one of Hobbs threads. It's a subject near and dear to my heart called the Scientific Method.

The Autoflower Network's Scientific Approach

The Autoflower Network's Scientific Approach presented by Autoflower.org Scientific Method What is the Scientific Method? In short, the scientific method produces answers to questions posed in the form of a working hypothesis (a proposed explanation made on the basis of limited evidence...

www.autoflower.org

I think it would be a good place to put our observations and discuss them!

Man, I'm really surprised this thread just died.

I don't know, the Scientific Method is so ingrained that I do it subconsciously. It is definitely is a strong driving factor in how I do things.

I absolutely love to learn how to do new things! I also love to discover new things!

My current grow has been filled with that.
This grow started out as just growing some weed and preserving someones work by making seeds. So through careful observation, documentation, being extremely methodical and advice from others, I was able to pull off the seed making in quite a stellar fashion! Timing the reversed females and the recipients is key for a successful seed making endeavor. Observation of the Mom and how and when she reacted when flipped to 12/12 was a key basis in success. So with that observation and the advice from others I was able to get the timing down to the Optimal level.

This grow has sorta morphed into proving or disproving the bro science statement, "Bigger roots make bigger fruits" in organic grows. This was not the intent, but I found myself in this situation.

In the seed making endeavor, I took quite a few clones. I finally realized that two seeded girls would make way more seeds than I could ever utilize, so I had 4 leftover. Relatively early on I thought I wanted to keep a mom, so I up potted one of the clones. After realizing I really didn't have a good place to keep her currently, I decided to grow her out. I did not have enough big pots for the other three clones that I had.

So now I have a tent with 4 clones with one in a 15 gallon pot and others in 5 gallon pots. All along the way they got the same feed and the majority of the time they were in the same tent before they all got moved into final place in the 4 by 4. Since moving, they all have been getting the exact same feed. Naturally with two different pot sizes you will get them off cycle from each other and I try to duplicate the feed from the previous feeding, but it's essentially the same feed. Naturally, being in the same tent, they were flipped to 12/12 at the same time.

Naturally, there is a size difference between the clones in the five gallon pots and the one clone in the 15 Gallon. Where the interesting part comes in, is the relationship of the size of the buds to the biomass of the plant. I think there is quite a dramatic difference in that relationship. Another interesting observation is that the girl in the large pot is leading in bud Structure formation. Early on in Bud Formation, the big girl was always leading. Now on the latter half of flowering, the big girl has led in the bulking up part of the process. What I'm talking about is the kind of almost foxtailing like structure. It starts to look like Fox tailing but fills in. In the last few days the Girls in the five gallon pots have exhibited the same structure. Now that has me thinking about maturity of the flowers. Is the big potted girl going to mature her flowers before the other girls in the five gallon pot? I think it kind of seems logical. If she leaves in formation and in structure, why not maturity? I guess we'll find that out two to three weeks.

Right now, all of this are just plain observations and subjective conclusions. Part of the scientific method is proving your observations and conclusions.

So the conclusion that bigger potted girls can mature quicker than smaller plotted girls will be based on what the microscope shows when I'm ready to chop. That's pretty simple and easy to prove.

I think proving "Bigger roots make bigger fruits" should be just as easy, but a little bit more work will be needed.
All I need to prove is that the big girl had a larger percentage of flower in relationship to the plants entire biomass. Now realistically, all I can do is weigh what is above ground and if I do them the same, the result should be quantitative.

Just from observations, I'm fairly sure that it will prove the point that bigger pots, ie bigger roots, do make bigger fruits.


Now that's at this size level of pots! What happens when the small pot is a 15 gallon and the large pot is say a 30? Naturally, with larger pots you're going to veg to the proper size before you flip. Now, in my particular case, I should have flipped the tent sooner based on the 5 gallon girls size, but that was just not possible in this case. I am really pushing the nutrients to keep the smaller potted girls happy and healthy.

I guess maybe a Bit better test in larger pots would be to veg the girl in the smaller pots to it's optimal size for that pot. I know I will come out with bigger girls in the bigger pots, but will there be that larger flower ratio to biomass of the plant. And naturally, we are talking about plants that have the genetic propensity to grow large.
Given what I've seen in this particular grow, I still think that we would see the same ratio, but maybe to a different degree. Nevertheless, I think it would still be something quite easily observable.

This is what I thought this thread was going to be about! I think it's what this thread should be about! Members throw out information with documentation and then we discussed the results.

I will definitely be back to this thread with some numbers and cold hard facts!


And yes @Mossy, I'm on the Sati!

 

[WildBill]

Sometimes automation can Bite you in the butt.
I had to go into all the tents and readjust the par on the lights.
I changed my CO2 bottle a couple of days ago. Didn't think anything about it. Went into the room and alarm was going off for high CO2. I evidently plugged it into the wrong controller so I switched it. Big deal there's only a few hours.
So somehow I have touched a button on the controller that changed it to just plain on. I do hate that controller with a passion ! It is cumbersome! If my walking through and touching one button accidentally, you shouldn't be able to change settings that would stick.
So now I got two empty bottles and it's the weekend.

I've got everyone turned down where they are only seeing just above 800 at the most on all tents.
I'm gonna go ahead and further back down on the VPD to help slow things down just a little bit.


That's mainly to slow down the 5 gallon girls. Their roots are just struggling to support the girls in such a small pot.

I've got a little more discoloration. The only problem is I don't know if it's from the CO2 or something in the feed Just my hunch, it just may be my imagination but when I have added BAS coconut water i've had a little blip of some sort. Definitely not the reaction that was expecting. It seems like it's happened one or maybe two times earlier before. I don't get it. I didn't use it at any high rates. Maybe it's with combo of another ingredient.

I think I'm gonna take some of my worm castings and compost and brew a little tea. Just a simple tea feed with No real nutrients .
I'll watch their reaction and go from there. Hopefully with a reduction of the light and lowering the VPD bit, it can give the girls a bit of breathing room.

Tried to get some trichome pictures, but the software was just not cooperating couldn't zoom for some reason.
Just too damn frustrated with the other crap to delve into it!

 

[Nosias]