Torture Gardens

Hi all,
I finally sit down and checked my notes and calculated some numbers.

I am exactly at day 77 since the seeds sprouted.
I have then pollinated the plants at day 42.
The plants started flowering at day 30.
So I am now at 35 days since the flowers where pollinated ( theoretically 2 weeks after flowering).
I never spry water over the pollinated plants, just turn the fans off.
Quite pollinated tent.

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Awesome!also, did you dust the okants all at once or did you keep a male in there letting its pollen go for a while? I think the best easiest practice is to do it all at one time so all the seeds are mature, not all at different stages of development. Stoked for you!
 
Hey everyone,
A lot’s been going on in real life lately, and this winter has been rough. No matter how much insulation I add, when temps hit 0°C or below, my grow space takes a hit. I usually run autos in winter to help manage temps with long light hours, but this is my first winter with LEDs—and it’s been a challenge. I’m seriously considering going back to HPS for the cold months next year.

For those not familiar with what I’m playing with: I’m crossing Mephisto’s Livers BX1 with three Killer Skunk males. The goal is to create a first F1 gen that’s 99.9% photoperiod, then move to F2 and eventually work toward an S1. I’m hoping to uncover as much of that Livers/Blues gene pool as I can.

Ironically, I’ve never even smoked a true Blues—but I’m still diving in, driven by the love of hacking and experimenting with a clear purpose.

Mephisto recently dropped a bunch of crosses and special editions based on Livers BX1 and their old-school Blues cross with Mr. Nice’s SSH. I decided to explore some of these, aiming to build a collection that captures the full range of “Shades of Blues.”

In earlier trials, I worked with a White Widow cut from Spain and an ESB by Fleur du Mal, crossed with three Killer Skunk males (#5, #6, and #7), plus F2s from four selected Killer Skunk females (#1 through #4).

Right now, my 2x4 tent is packed. I’ve added the mother plants of the selected KS #5 and #6 males and the #3 female I kept from earlier selections (see previous posts). I’ve got six plants in 3L coco and four more in soil, started 2–3 weeks later.

Two Livers BX1 in coco are still small at day 85. According to Mephisto, flowering should finish around day 70–80, and I’m about 5.5 weeks post-pollination (done around day 45, two weeks into flower).

I also had a Stilton Special and a Vader’s Musk (Sour Livers × Northern Cheese Haze and Livers BX1 × Grape Walker Kush, respectively), but they stayed too small and passed their prime. I culled all four to make space for the moms and a few autos in soil.

Truth is, being away from home so often makes it hard to keep everything in sync—veg, flower, parents, pollination. Managing it all with just two rooms has been rough.

Still, I pollinated the full room using only the three selected males, so I at least have confidence in the genetic outcome of the seeds.

To me, this is all about learning the art of seed-making, experimenting with selection, and setting the stage for future fem runs. I'd love to be a "hacker," but really, I’m just some fool figuring it out one step at a time.

Quick setup recap for anyone new:
I run an Ionframe Evo 3 (280W) in a 2×4 tent with a 6" exhaust and several fans to manage humidity. Passive intake. I also have a second grow room, currently in 12/12, where I’m pollinating an Erba del Diavolo (a.k.a. Calabrese Rossa) with the Killer Skunk pollen.

The main tent runs on a 20/4 cycle for autos. During lights on: 28–30°C, RH 60–70%. Lights off: 20–22°C, RH 55–60%, with a dehumidifier set at 55%.

And yes—as they say, the cold keeps your dick small. Unfortunately, the same goes for the ladies.

That’s where I’m at today.
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Focusing on some sativas at the moment—Mango Smile x Livers BX1 and Mr. Nice’s Super Silver Haze for the Livers project, plus a few others. Always a couple phenos of each strain in the mix.

Got the mother plant in the 2x4 tent in coco, prepped for the next run. Fingers crossed.

Mango Smile X Livers Bx1 and SSH Mr.nice X Livers Bx1 ( all crossed with KS #5-6-7
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Regarding "this winter has been rough. No matter how much insulation I add, when temps hit 0°C or below, my grow space takes a hit.:'

Are you insulating the tent (lots of ways to do that) vs. the room, so you have the more common problem of exhausting heat from the tent, not trying to heat it? Even with highly efficient lights. with enough insulation you will need to cool the tent (just run the tent exhaust using a thermostat). And a good source of some added background room heat can be your tent. Exhaust your warm tent air into the room.

I did that this winter in an unheated room in an unheated extension of the house with blankets draped over the tent and 2-3 inches of cheap styrofoam board underneath. I had no problems keeping constant tent temp., keeping the tent heated even with rather efficient HLG Rspec and Spider Farmer LEDs. The only downside was some days I had to run a dehumidifier in the room. Whenever it was warm enough outside to have a window open (say above 45˚F.), a thermostat-run fan in the window would blow in fresh air (keeping room temp. ≤68-70˚F).
 
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Regarding "this winter has been rough. No matter how much insulation I add, when temps hit 0°C or below, my grow space takes a hit.:'

Are you insulating the tent (lots of ways to do that) vs. the room, so you have the more common problem of exhausting heat from the tent, not trying to heat it? Even with highly efficient lights. with enough insulation you will need to cool the tent (just run the tent exhaust using a thermostat). And a good source of some added background room heat can be your tent. Exhaust your warm tent air into the room.

I did that this winter in an unheated room in an unheated extension of the house with blankets draped over the tent and 2-3 inches of cheap styrofoam board underneath. I had no problems keeping constant tent temp., keeping the tent heated even with rather efficient HLG Rspec and Spider Farmer LEDs. The only downside was some days I had to run a dehumidifier in the room. Whenever it was warm enough outside to have a window open (say above 45˚F.), a thermostat-run fan in the window would blow in fresh air (keeping room temp. ≤68-70˚F).
Great tips! If there’s a will, there’s a way!
 
Regarding "this winter has been rough. No matter how much insulation I add, when temps hit 0°C or below, my grow space takes a hit.:'

Are you insulating the tent (lots of ways to do that) vs. the room, so you have the more common problem of exhausting heat from the tent, not trying to heat it? Even with highly efficient lights. with enough insulation you will need to cool the tent (just run the tent exhaust using a thermostat). And a good source of some added background room heat can be your tent. Exhaust your warm tent air into the room.

I did that this winter in an unheated room in an unheated extension of the house with blankets draped over the tent and 2-3 inches of cheap styrofoam board underneath. I had no problems keeping constant tent temp., keeping the tent heated even with rather efficient HLG Rspec and Spider Farmer LEDs. The only downside was some days I had to run a dehumidifier in the room. Whenever it was warm enough outside to have a window open (say above 45˚F.), a thermostat-run fan in the window would blow in fresh air (keeping room temp. ≤68-70˚F).
Many thanks for the message and advises!!

I am desperate case:) I have 50mm around the space and other 50 around the bloom tent, but not grow tent, where I started everything wrongly :( ( as usual:)

Unfortunately I am not able to exhaust indoor. RH kill me. Litterarly water dripping from the ceiling and wet walls. I found it extremely dangerous for electrics.
Even extracting outside I have lot lot of humidity. I have a massive lake and open space that bring lot of humidity ( litterarly water).

Regarding the cold/humidity again I am a bit limited with wattage consumption and below the correct environment parameters, but year by year and thanks to all your comments I am improving.
I just purchase a low consumption extra dehumidifier and considering to warm up the lung room which duringDecember January was around 11c.

I have dedicated the autos to winter to use the extended lighting cycle and I guess that in the next 2-3 weeks I will cut all the other Mephistos and move to photoperiod and more friendly outdoor conditions.

Hopefully I will back with auto as outdoor little plants as Mephistos genetics attract a lot my appetite:)
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Here we continue with the others Mephisto.
I just finished drying 2 livers bx1 1 Vader's Musk and 1 Stilton Special. From 1 livers bx 1 I obtained 150 seeds:)

Experimenting to learn how to take better pictures, apologies for the ridicultness.

Old school blues ( or maybe Funky Mangifera...miss up pictures)

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Funky Mangifera
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Chemy's Fruit Punch
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Torture garden now
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