Live Stoners Live Stoner Chat - Jul-Sep '22

[WildBill]

Muskrats are related to nutria but nutria are bigger. Capybaras are the same general size as a large breed dog lol

Nutria are just big water rat beavers!

 

[Dr Fluff]

Asked - if this method of extraction provides a higher yield than CO2 extraction & why?

Hielscher's reply is - From Ultrasonic Extraction can produce higher yields than CO2 extraction, because in most CO2 extraction systems, the material is not agitated during the extraction. Ultrasonication agitates the liquid (water or solvent) during the extraction. This gives you a "jet wash" of the particle surfaces, that is important for trichomes for example. For intracellular material extraction, ultrasonication breaks cell walls and presses liquid through cell membranes. We have many customers, that abandoned CO2 extraction due to operational costs, limitation to batch processing and safety issues. Ultrasonication can extract at any scale (beaker, batch or inline).

For many extraction processes, ultrasonication is the most cost effective method and the easiest to use. It is also perfectly scaleable - another restriction of CO2 batch extraction. The choice of solvent, water or solvent/water mix depends on the extraction profile you are targeting. Different solvents produce different extract compound profiles. Other factors affecting the profile are the solvent temperature, sonication time and amplitude. Most customers run a couple of tests to optimize the sonication protocol for their individual objective. As ultrasonication is perfectly repeatable and reproducible, you can then produce the same extract profile over and over again. P.S. You can use the same ultrasonic equipment to make emulsions, lotions, tinctures or ointments. One stone - two birds

 

[JP1]

Asked - if this method of extraction provides a higher yield than CO2 extraction & why?

Hielscher's reply is - From Ultrasonic Extraction can produce higher yields than CO2 extraction, because in most CO2 extraction systems, the material is not agitated during the extraction. Ultrasonication agitates the liquid (water or solvent) during the extraction. This gives you a "jet wash" of the particle surfaces, that is important for trichomes for example. For intracellular material extraction, ultrasonication breaks cell walls and presses liquid through cell membranes. We have many customers, that abandoned CO2 extraction due to operational costs, limitation to batch processing and safety issues. Ultrasonication can extract at any scale (beaker, batch or inline).

For many extraction processes, ultrasonication is the most cost effective method and the easiest to use. It is also perfectly scaleable - another restriction of CO2 batch extraction. The choice of solvent, water or solvent/water mix depends on the extraction profile you are targeting. Different solvents produce different extract compound profiles. Other factors affecting the profile are the solvent temperature, sonication time and amplitude. Most customers run a couple of tests to optimize the sonication protocol for their individual objective. As ultrasonication is perfectly repeatable and reproducible, you can then produce the same extract profile over and over again. P.S. You can use the same ultrasonic equipment to make emulsions, lotions, tinctures or ointments. One stone - two birds

This is interesting. My wife has an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner and I have a friend who's dad was a dentist and I know he has an ultrasonic machine sitting around doing nothing... They're both "bath" style machines and not that gun looking thing the guy has on the video. Might try an ethanol wash...

 

[JP1]

Well, 1st day of school was last Monday for the kid and now the wife and kid both got the Rona Somehow not me, yet, though Looks like I'll be sleeping on the couch for a bit

 

[PinkyNotTheBrain]

Nutria are just big water rat beavers!

 

[N/A-Greengo]

Asked - if this method of extraction provides a higher yield than CO2 extraction & why?

Hielscher's reply is - From Ultrasonic Extraction can produce higher yields than CO2 extraction, because in most CO2 extraction systems, the material is not agitated during the extraction. Ultrasonication agitates the liquid (water or solvent) during the extraction. This gives you a "jet wash" of the particle surfaces, that is important for trichomes for example. For intracellular material extraction, ultrasonication breaks cell walls and presses liquid through cell membranes. We have many customers, that abandoned CO2 extraction due to operational costs, limitation to batch processing and safety issues. Ultrasonication can extract at any scale (beaker, batch or inline).

For many extraction processes, ultrasonication is the most cost effective method and the easiest to use. It is also perfectly scaleable - another restriction of CO2 batch extraction. The choice of solvent, water or solvent/water mix depends on the extraction profile you are targeting. Different solvents produce different extract compound profiles. Other factors affecting the profile are the solvent temperature, sonication time and amplitude. Most customers run a couple of tests to optimize the sonication protocol for their individual objective. As ultrasonication is perfectly repeatable and reproducible, you can then produce the same extract profile over and over again. P.S. You can use the same ultrasonic equipment to make emulsions, lotions, tinctures or ointments. One stone - two birds

This is one of the best studies I've found on extraction..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-01378-0

 

[Dr Fluff]

This is interesting. My wife has an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner and I have a friend who's dad was a dentist and I know he has an ultrasonic machine sitting around doing nothing... They're both "bath" style machines and not that gun looking thing the guy has on the video. Might try an ethanol wash...

I think the jewelry bath idea is worth looking in to but wont produce the same intensity as the probe.
I did wonder is a 72-micron screen slightly suspended might be with, dried bud just out of the freezer, so trichomes snap easily but no leaf matter falls?
Lets us know how it goes!
Hamonizing wands can be bought as low as $50 smelly eggpress, duno how good they would be, the one in the video is about $2000
I found a pretty decent one (for all i know) for $700 and a second hand one of the one in the video but not the same probe for £690 but probe would cost more to buy!

 

[PinkyNotTheBrain]

There's always civ I guess but I don't really want to have to think that hard. And not in the mood for AC. Combat sounds unappealing.

I been playing tropico on ps4. The music might be my favorite part. And i been playing the warriors game that came out originally on the ps2 its

 

[Dr Fluff]

This is one of the best studies I've found on extraction..

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-01378-0

Awesome - it has been copied and stored!
Fairly deep reading by the look of it, I'll save it for daylight hours!
do you know about "Skunk Pharms"?
https://skunkpharmresearch.com/
The experiment section is worth a look through!

 

[JP1]

I think the jewelry bath idea is worth looking in to but wont produce the same intensity as the probe.
I did wonder is a 72-micron screen slightly suspended might be with, dried bud just out of the freezer, so trichomes snap easily but no leaf matter falls?
Lets us know how it goes!
Hamonizing wands can be bought as low as $50 smelly eggpress, duno how good they would be, the one in the video is about $2000
I found a pretty decent one (for all i know) for $700 and a second hand one of the one in the video but not the same probe for £690 but probe would cost more to buy!

I was picturing using the ultrasonic bath kinda like in between bubble hash and qwet. Frozen buds and frozen everclear in the machine then filtered through bubble bags and then evaporated Definitely something to think about though