@knocker powell If you do want Mephisto's make sure to order direct from them and not from a seed bank. For one all of the money goes to the breeders, and you'll get freebies (which are all other Mephisto's (so not like the freebies from a seed bank). They do regular special offers here as well so keep an eye open for them. I'm only doing my first grow with them indoors but am very impressed with the plants performance so far. Well worth the extra expense of a good bean in my opinion. Unless of course it's being thrown on a rather iffy guerilla site on an exposed Scottish hillside frequented by sheep mwahahahaa.