Ok so here's question though, she's short and fat yes but being so without doing any kind of defoliation how do I get light to her now wanting to form lower bud sites, usually (in my other experiences) he lower fan leaves would be more longated at which time I could be tucking, and stuff. I want to open her up some but it's like one short tangled mess. You think it might help me if I set light way high, could that possibly encourage her to stretch some giving me more room to work with. Before you answer than keep in mind she's going to be under 600 watts of led within the next week or so. I'll post some pics tonight when she wakes up. And as always I love yall here on AFN it's like 1 big happy family. ;-)