Trim SCROG?!

[iman]

I just realised this was from you also, I will go to summer house tomorrow and take some more pics from underneath as well and see if you think there is much I can do at this late stage. I need to max what I get as Mrs won’t let me do another for a long time and I need to make as much RSO as I can!

Beautiful looking plants my friend you've done well.
Seedstockers White Widow Auto is approximately 77 Day plant give or take a few days. Your plants look like they need a little bit more time than 77 days from what I can tell. To reach a good ripeness.
I'm a firm believer in trimming super cropping and any other type of manipulation you can possibly think of.
I do them all.
Autos are a little bit different breed when it comes to playing like that with manipulation and trimming.
Since the plants are so close to the end. I suggest only the unnecessary very lower bottom leaves and the crunchy dead ones. Those are definitely absolutely useless.. The ones that don't get any light or very little light. Those can all come off they do nothing and they are useless to the plant it going to stress a little. At this point. This is good. The plants are already at the end of there life span. This allows the plant to put necessary nutrients to the buds and colons. These techniques also trick to plant. Into stress mode which causes the plant to produce more trichomes. In some plants lots of trichomes.
I'm a very firm believer in crop manipulation from beginning to the end. Stressing the plant throughout the grow produces a very juicy bud.
Study crop manipulations manifolding super cropping LST and EST there's other forms of manipulation as well scrog netting sea of green. My Preferred Choice of manipulation is super cropping manifolding and excessive lower trimming smaller stems and useless Micro Bud sites off the plant throughout the span of growth to the end of flower. That's my two cents friend good luck with that. Happy growing from
Growtogrow

 

[Proph]

The entire purpose of a scrog and scrog net, requires defoliation and lollipopping. Maybe the people telling you not to remove leaves didn't read the title or your description. Everything UNDER the net should be gone. Nothing but stems should be under the net.. The buds above the net should be spaced out and ANY leaf, covering ANY bud site, should be removed. The point of a scrog is to grow all tops.. No lowers, no fluff.. Leaves are tucked or removed weekly. It's a constant chore that has to be tended to. By your pics I can't tell how much longer the plants may have left.. I can tell there are waaayyy to many leaves in that scrog net. I bet if you Google the term scrog net.. You won't find many plants if any, with that much leaf in and under the net.

 

[iman]

The entire purpose of a scrog and scrog net, requires defoliation and lollipopping. Maybe the people telling you not to remove leaves didn't read the title or your description. Everything UNDER the net should be gone. Nothing but stems should be under the net.. The buds above the net should be spaced out and ANY leaf, covering ANY bud site, should be removed. The point of a scrog is to grow all tops.. No lowers, no fluff.. Leaves are tucked or removed weekly. It's a constant chore that has to be tended to. By your pics I can't tell how much longer the plants may have left.. I can tell there are waaayyy to many leaves in that scrog net. I bet if you Google the term scrog net.. You won't find many plants if any, with that much leaf in and under the net.

Thanks this is what I am finding out, The problem I had was I am new to this and there is hardly any information out there to SCROG autos. Most of the information is saying they are delicate and have a short lifespan so don’t mess with them too much. I have attached some pictures from this morning and when I get back later I will do some major defoliation if you think I still have time. I am on around day 65 seedstockers say 75 days but this is my 3rd grow and I think I have about 3 weeks left. Some pistols are going brown but other flowers are all completely white and look like they have a long way to go, was going to keep some choice buds and throw everything else into the RSO. Appreciate any advice you can give me. Thanks

 

[iman]

If you're not trimming and not manipulating your plants you're not getting the full Bounty of that plant...
Study crop manipulations study. When growing autos LST and trimming is a must for large bounties. Better resin production.
When growing photosynthesis plants. There's so many more options for manipulation. super cropping LST EST sea of green scrog netting. And more.
All I can say is y'all better read more study more and pay attention to other Growers. Experienced Growers will help you.
Inexperienced Growers don't know the way yet. If they speak on not doing crop manipulations.
Crop manipulation will enhance your yield your resin production will allow better airflow underneath the canopy that allow the leaves that are necessary for creating nutrients to the buds to get the nutrient light they need .
Marijuana and hemp plants. Are like race cars . When you have everything dialed in they will produce mind-blowing yields and resin production . All I can tell you all is again I hate to be repetitive . Study everybody and make informative decisions. Just don't listen to any old hacks and wacks.View attachment 1163043
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Inexperienced Growers don't know the way yet. It takes time to learn and many grows. You don't learn this overnight read study understand the ways.
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this is what I am realising I have had some really good comments from some of the moderators including you over the last couple of days which have made me really think. I plan to keep some choice buds and throw everything else into the RSO. I have attached some pictures from this morning some of the buds have brown pistols but most of them are all totally white. I think I have a good 3 weeks so if you think I still have time I will do a load of work on them later. I thought the little buds low down getting no light would be good for the rso, they feel sticky, if I cut them out now is that a waste? I’m starting to think I need to remove a lot of material. The grow is a very sensitive situation at my house so I won’t be able to do another for a long time. Thanks

 

[Growtogrow]

this is what I am realising I have had some really good comments from some of the moderators including you over the last couple of days which have made me really think. I plan to keep some choice buds and throw everything else into the RSO. I have attached some pictures from this morning some of the buds have brown pistols but most of them are all totally white. I think I have a good 3 weeks so if you think I still have time I will do a load of work on them later. I thought the little buds low down getting no light would be good for the rso, they feel sticky, if I cut them out now is that a waste? I’m starting to think I need to remove a lot of material. The grow is a very sensitive situation at my house so I won’t be able to do another for a long time. ThanksView attachment 1163268

Very nice looking tops. Do you have a scope or sixty power magnifying glass? If not this is another way I do it.
I just done with your top pic of the first bud top pic. I take a sreen shot of it very close but still in focus with your camera on your phone. Then take that picture and blow it up until it's just about out of focus and then look at your trikes. To see if you've reached the desired color range you want to be in such as opaque clear and Amber. And how much percentage you want of each. Myself on most plants I try to reach 15 to 20% Amber as desirable traits that we look for here. More than 25% start leaning on the more euphoric range of the THC.
I see from what I just capturing and then I blew it up. So I could see it better myself and I noticed that in the first pic of your nicest looking bud that is closest to ripeness... Under the light.
( it's best to use a regular bright white light to look at your plants and take pics. It's easier to see and diagnose ailments bugs fungus and see underneath. you can use a cool White or white light ) I could see a lot of opaque, some clear, and few Amber. But it was hard for me to tell because of the yellow of the light.
So what I mite do with what you got going on there. I mite do a double Harvest.
Where you would take the ripest buds first. By taking the ripest buds first and leaving the immature buds to ripen for a week or two possibly three ??? You can do a double Harvest this way.
So On a bottom of those plants there's a lot of undesirable Micro Bud sites and small branches and leaves... And they can come off their right now....
This will allow more nutrients to the buds that are left. You can also do leaf tucking. This is where you take a leaf that shadowing a branch and Bud site. You merely tuck it under another branch. It still will get livht but it won't bother a smaller Bud site this helps light nutrients get to the plant needed areas. And you can also still at this point Tie some of the lower branches down a little bit but you got to be careful and not to pull too hard on them or they could break. The plant is old. And the branches may be brrittel. This is a delicate procedure and it takes finesse to do it. but it can be done. you'll know the first time you try pulling a branch or you try to pull up a leaf off and you can tell if the branches got a elasticity or if it's brittle. Most of the time a grower will take and do these LST or EST extreme stress training early on in the vegetative state of the plant. When the plants are very flexible and you can pull it down or

pin it down and make those branches grow out and wide and then up and it will look like a Christmas tree farm when the buds come on. I've sent you an example of a Casey Jones I did years ago inside in a 40-gallon tote. Organic soil.

 

[Kinezokyprios]

If these were my plants I would only leave the sugar leaves after a 3 or 4 stage trimming process, with the aim to get double the amount of buds than what I would get with the leaves blocking the air circulation and the light.

 

[iman]

she looks amazing! Here are a couple of pics, I turned the main light off and took these with a jewellers loupe against my phone so they aren’t great. Just got home got to get the kids to bed so will get back on in a bit. 1800 here! Thanks again for the fantastic advice I will read through your message again in a little while and take action! Hopefully by then you will have had a chance to see these pictures as well so you have a bit more information.

Very nice looking tops. Do you have a scope or sixty power magnifying glass? If not this is another way I do it.
I just done with your top pic of the first bud top pic. I take a sreen shot of it very close but still in focus with your camera on your phone. Then take that picture and blow it up until it's just about out of focus and then look at your trikes. To see if you've reached the desired color range you want to be in such as opaque clear and Amber. And how much percentage you want of each. Myself on most plants I try to reach 15 to 20% Amber as desirable traits that we look for here. More than 25% start leaning on the more euphoric range of the THC.
I see from what I just capturing and then I blew it up. So I could see it better myself and I noticed that in the first pic of your nicest looking bud that is closest to ripeness... Under the light.
( it's best to use a regular bright white light to look at your plants and take pics. It's easier to see and diagnose ailments bugs fungus and see underneath. you can use a cool White or white light ) I could see a lot of opaque, some clear, and few Amber. But it was hard for me to tell because of the yellow of the light.
So what I mite do with what you got going on there. I mite do a double Harvest.
Where you would take the ripest buds first. By taking the ripest buds first and leaving the immature buds to ripen for a week or two possibly three ??? You can do a double Harvest this way.
So On a bottom of those plants there's a lot of undesirable Micro Bud sites and small branches and leaves... And they can come off their right now....
This will allow more nutrients to the buds that are left. You can also do leaf tucking. This is where you take a leaf that shadowing a branch and Bud site. You merely tuck it under another branch. It still will get livht but it won't bother a smaller Bud site this helps light nutrients get to the plant needed areas. And you can also still at this point Tie some of the lower branches down a little bit but you got to be careful and not to pull too hard on them or they could break. The plant is old. And the branches may be brrittel. This is a delicate procedure and it takes finesse to do it. but it can be done. you'll know the first time you try pulling a branch or you try to pull up a leaf off and you can tell if the branches got a elasticity or if it's brittle. Most of the time a grower will take and do these LST or EST extreme stress training early on in the vegetative state of the plant. When the plants are very flexible and you can pull it down orView attachment 1163363 pin it down and make those branches grow out and wide and then up and it will look like a Christmas tree farm when the buds come on. I've sent you an example of a Casey Jones I did years ago inside in a 40-gallon tote. Organic soil.

 

[iman]

Thank

If these were my plants I would only leave the sugar leaves after a 3 or 4 stage trimming process, with the aim to get double the amount of buds than what I would get with the leaves blocking the air circulation and the light.

s, I am going to start doing this today!

 

[St. Tom]

i still think you have a couple of weeks I'm all for removing leaves long as the plant is healthy especially if its blocking buds anyhow i think youve done a stellar job my friend

 

[Growtogrow]

she looks amazing! Here are a couple of pics, I turned the main light off and took these with a jewellers loupe against my phone so they aren’t great. Just got home got to get the kids to bed so will get back on in a bit. 1800 here! Thanks again for the fantastic advice I will read through your message again in a little while and take action! Hopefully by then you will have had a chance to see these pictures as well so you have a bit more information.


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yup I agree 100% with Tom you got a bit yet. I got to see the clears good now. Yup do the trimming pull the branches apart a wee bit by pulling them down and out. Be careful not to break them. Gently pulling down and out and tie them off. Trim away the excess leaves that are unnecessary. And itty bitty teeny weeny Bud sites that just won't make a difference in 2 or 3 weeks. you know what I mean. And do some Leaf tucking . And that should make you golden you should be able to get a fairly decent Harvest out of it...
You're on the right track. Good luck holler at me if you need any more help.