Grow Mediums The Coco Home Thread -- Calling ALL Coco Growers!!!
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Thanks Rebel. Now, I will be nicer to the tall flowerless lady.: I believe you are a week ahead of me. Even the intra-strain genetic are apparent. One KVS flowering and the other is flowerless. My first grow with two of the same strain. The White W. is weeks and weeks ahead of the others four strains--but, it stopped vertical growth after a few weeks.
Well I use a mix of coco/soil and TLO soil..I grew 3 Blood dragons .1 in coco/soil other in
Alan your girls look amazing man! Nice lush jungle! Seems we have dueling jungles! LOL I just look at it this way. The larger the pot the longer the Veg... BUT that typically applies to Photoperiods... Autos are a whole other ballgame. OK for example...
I took 7 Himalayan Blue Diesel Regular beans, got all 7 female. I had 5 different phenotypes between 7 plants of the same strain. All grown the same way. started in 32oz cups tiered into 1 gallon grow bags. I had one literally finish in 7 weeks and one that finished at 88 days. vegged for half that time. So, I'm not disputing anyone's theories... By all means experiment! That's all I did for the first year and a half growing here on AFN. I did comparison grows of all kinds of mediums and nutes. Compared Myco products. Tried pushing a plant to veg longer or making it hurry up. In my personal experience, Autos cannot be controlled. You can have 7 beans of the same strain and have 5 TOTALLY different plants. This is why they say Autos are unstable. Unstable meaning you don't get the same pheno each and every time you get a female of the same strain. It takes generations and generations of careful selection and breeding techniques to achieve a "stable" Auto. Until that happens, it is what it is honestly. You never know what you will get. Now some strains have it down to 1 or 2 phenos or 3-4 phenos you may get...
Take my Auto Green Poison. She popped pistils around day 17 or so, was budding up at a month old. She's just a few days over 7 weeks and starting to fill in and way ahead of the other 3 Autos. She's an Indica Dom tho... The Moby and S.A.D. are Sati Doms for sure as they just started budding up, the Moby being way ahead of the S.A.D. but you can see the Hybrid in her. Just by the leaf structure. I've grown probably close to 100 autos in the last 2 1/2 years. Probably nearly 70-80 strains from all different breeders and seedbanks. The only thing I've been able to "control" is giving a Sativa Dominant Auto Veg Nutes until week 7 will make it Veg longer. And therefore giving me greater end results. I did this with 4 Dinafem Critical Jack Autos that were all Sativa Doms. Some were taller than others but very similar structure and they all finished around 75/85 days. I have started bloom nutes at 5 weeks in past grows and it has never gotten them to stop going vertical. This is why I go by individual plant as well. I watch them. When they stop going UP I start Bloom Nutes. I have yet to find anything that stops them going UP on their own. I'm keen to find out but done experimenting myself....
So Romeo if you do this experiment, I hope you will start a thread so we can follow.... My experimenting days are done for a while... I need 3-4 bumper crops!
:EDIT: Also, I forgot to elaborate on my Coco not holding nutes well... Is this not the reason why we cut the Coco with Perlite? For water/nute retention? I always understood that Coco doesn't retain water and nutes thus it being the closest thing to Hydro/DWC then actually growing that way... And I'm also sticking with my pot size theory. As I've grown a Pineapple Express Auto in a 6" pot and had it fully Mature in 42 Days. and it was the thickest most incredible tasting little girl I have had to date. If you wanna get a faster harvest try smaller pots... your yield won't be big but if you did a shitload of em you'd get a decent yield I guess...
You hit it on the nail. Control. Autos are going to do what they want to do. Patience. I suppose that is why we are encountering a jungle.
i have dinafem cheese thats doing just what Alan is saying ..
Brilliant thread, I have just read every page, every post.
I have been using coco mixed with perlite, about 70% coco to 30% perlite for a while now. I use AN base nutes and root stimulator and molasses when in flower.
Thats it, never bothered with all the other additives AN do, some are bloody ridiculously expensive and I dont think my crops have suffered for not using them.
I feed at full strength once plants are established and even though I use LEDs I have never had any cal/mag issues, I put this down to the high temps in my grow room.
coco is just so much easier than soil, you have total control over what nutes the plant has, watering multiple times a day also increases oxygen supply to the roots and you cant overwater.
I have always used an aeroponics unit in the past on photos but one reservoir with one set of nutes with plants with multiple phenos just isnt practical so coco it is.
Bloody brilliant stuff.
I have been using coco mixed with perlite, about 70% coco to 30% perlite for a while now. I use AN base nutes and root stimulator and molasses when in flower.
Thats it, never bothered with all the other additives AN do, some are bloody ridiculously expensive and I dont think my crops have suffered for not using them.
I feed at full strength once plants are established and even though I use LEDs I have never had any cal/mag issues, I put this down to the high temps in my grow room.
coco is just so much easier than soil, you have total control over what nutes the plant has, watering multiple times a day also increases oxygen supply to the roots and you cant overwater.
I have always used an aeroponics unit in the past on photos but one reservoir with one set of nutes with plants with multiple phenos just isnt practical so coco it is.
Bloody brilliant stuff.
..i hope so for you ...:High 5:..let us no
I'm using 70/30 coco/perlite for my 1st plant, and I'm using soil for a couple of plants I started shortly after that. I personally like the coco more. It needs more frequent watering than the soil, but I never feel like I'm guessing with how often to feed like I do with with the dirt. I'm sure this is due to my inexperience, and that my confidence with soil would increase with time, but there is just something reassuring about seeing any excess liquid run out of the pot right away. Coco just never feels too wet and even if it did it dries out in like 2-3 days. I use organic nutes, and I had what appeared to be early ph probs. I feel that if I had started to feed the coco with a 1/2 strength tea about a week before I planted in it to get the microherd going, I might have avoided that. I just recently blended a brick of coco and some perlite with a rough equivalent of soil I had left over, mostly to use up the soil. I've got 2 clones growing in that mix. After those, I'm going straight coco/perlite for future grows. Also the coco really works great in an Airpot.
Wow you guys have some amazing results. I just joined the site and I think I might be pulling up to this thread. I currently have 6 plants under a 250w mh (hps lamp for flower), They are in 1gal bags with coco/per/ver 50/30/20 mix. I use gh flora series, and this is my first shot at using a few of their supplements. 2x4 closet, but it is not a sealed environment, not ideal i know, but resources are an issue. I posted 3 pics of one plant in the intro section, because I have no idea if all the plants are autos or not. Seeds are basically pot luck, but so far I've germed 20 of them and they've all been auto and female. Any way, I'm happy I found a coco thread!
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