Indoor Nice Option's Garden of Intergalactic Delights

[Trichome farmer]

Cal-Mag woes on the Zkittlez. Feeding 2ml per litre now though. Should it really need to be increased more than that? Trouble is, it's already high and brings the ppm out of range with the addition of nutes so I'm not sure how I can be giving them any more without blasting them with high ppm whilst still giving them enough food. Any suggestions? It's possible that the Cal Mag I'm using is causing too high ppms as it seems to contain a fair bit of N as well. It's Plant Magic Magne-Cal +

I am currently giving 2 ml per liter of Cal-mag also to my Zkittlez.....seems to be holding the deficiency mostly at bay.....unless it gets noticeably worse that is where I will stay at,,,,,Looking great and time to stack some buds my friend.




I am going to run some Mephisto gear on my next run....got some Double Grape and some Sour Stomper....bring on the frost I say!!!

Wagon



[/QUOTE]
when i was using plant magic i found it was pushing my N up too much so a backed off on the A of sensi bloom which is basically cal mag anyways but the plant magic has higher percentages so say i was feeding 3ml per liter of A and 1.5 of cal mag id ack the A of to 1,5 to try even it out that what i did anyways seemed to work for me i dont know your brand of base nute but read the bottels and see where ya can adjust best of luck
do you pre charge your coco ?

 

[Froot n Fuel]

Yeah mine comes out ice cold so there's a bit of prep needed. Takes around 2 hours to pull about 10l on my 50gpd which makes sense I guess. It's making me wish I'd gone for a slightly better unit but it's a good test and only cost around £40, didn't wanna spend too much on something I had no experience with. Yet another thing to upgrade down the line I think.

i'm currently filling 5L jugs and then leave 'em in the grow room to reach desired ambient temps. it's a pain but the water quality makes up for it. i figure if the £40 model packs up it was only a small investment, i need to grab a set of replacement filters which must be around half the price i guess otherwise i'll just buy a replacement unit.

DAY 46

Cal-Mag woes on the Zkittlez. Feeding 2ml per litre now though. Should it really need to be increased more than that? Trouble is, it's already high and brings the ppm out of range with the addition of nutes so I'm not sure how I can be giving them any more without blasting them with high ppm whilst still giving them enough food. Any suggestions? It's possible that the Cal Mag I'm using is causing too high ppms as it seems to contain a fair bit of N as well. It's Plant Magic Magne-Cal +

Otherwise looking good I think. Not really much in the way of trich development but I guess it'll come. I've been spoiled by Mephisto and used to seeing a bit more by now perhaps.

leaves look nice and thick man, mine can be a bit tissue-paper like sometimes.
so now you're on good ole' RO - have you ventured in to the realms of checking the runoff at all?

What's the PPM of your feed? I seem to be able to squeeze in 2ml per l of the cal-mag as long as I run the nutes at 50% which is maybe enough but I'd like to be able to add some bloom boosters at this point but can't see how I'd be able to work them into the feed without blowing up the ppms.

I read somewhere that it's important to add the cal-mag to the feed before the nutes so I've started doing that now, although it might be nonsense.

Your plants are looking fantastic! Have you run Mephisto before? You've got a couple of heavy hitters to plant. Seen some stunning DGs around.

as @stoney 91 suggested, drop the feed to compensate. if you are struggling to keep on top of it, create more distance between the plant and the light - this has stopped these rust spots dead in their tracks for me before. something to do with LED spectrums really pushes photosynthesis which creates the increased demand for calmag or something along those lines. i bumped up my overall PPM's to allow a base of approx' 200PPM calmag. my understanding of basic chemistry makes me call nonsense on the calmag-first policy BUT, i do that anyway just because growing with LED's really does up the requirements.
the only Nitrogen free calmag i've come across started making me paranoid that it was effecting the end product too much but with all the mistakes i was making perhaps it wasn't the calmag at all...but the paranoia remains so i'm with you on the N-rich calmag too for the time being. i feed around 200PPM of my base nutes each feed (MegaCrop) which isn't much, but the girls are dark green from all the N in the calmag i assume

 

[wagon]

What's the PPM of your feed? I seem to be able to squeeze in 2ml per l of the cal-mag as long as I run the nutes at 50% which is maybe enough but I'd like to be able to add some bloom boosters at this point but can't see how I'd be able to work them into the feed without blowing up the ppms.

I read somewhere that it's important to add the cal-mag to the feed before the nutes so I've started doing that now, although it might be nonsense.

Your plants are looking fantastic! Have you run Mephisto before? You've got a couple of heavy hitters to plant. Seen some stunning DGs around

Hey NiceOption,
I don't check my PPM unless I am having some serious issues. I just keep bumping up the nutes as they grow until I get some tip burn and hold it there at that point.
Thanks for the kind words....mostly just a slight Cal-Mag deficiency so far in my grow. I caught it fairly early and bumped up the Cal-Mag up, so not too bad.

I have not run Mephisto gear before. I am fairly new to growing autos, but have been impressed with the frostiness of Mephisto's offerings.

Wagon

 

[NiceOption]

Thanks for all your help @wagon @stoney 91 @Froot n Fuel

It seems that for whatever reason, the cal mag i'm using is crazy high ppms. I'm not sure if that's normal but it doesn't sound right.
If i mix 2ml per litre we're hitting like 600pm which leaves little room for the nutes. Actually the nutes are not increasing things too much. If i run half strength we're at around 800 and full strength will still only result in around 980.

I'm gonna try another brand out today and see how it goes.

I've also raised the lights a bit a this must be a contributing factor to the def I'm seeing. The majority of the issues seem to be on the fans with high exposure. They're now just under 60cm from the top cola and just over 60cm from the majority of the canopy. Hopefully that's enough as it won't go much higher.

The run off is coming out at 1470 so we have a problem there. What do you think? Time for a flush or just run some big, low ppm feeds through there for the next few days and see? I'd rather not have to flush if possible as I'll be making RO water for days. Which I guess I am anyway, but y'know.

I'm just hoping the high run off is due to previous build up and not any uptake issues. PH is perfect between 5.8 and 6.0 so i shouldnt think there would be any uptake issues and the only apparent def is cal-mag but who knows.

I'll go to the hydro store today and have a word with them about the cal-mag, try a new one and let you guys know. Which brand have you guys been using?

Much appreciated!

 

[Froot n Fuel]

i've got three different calmags, all pretty potent in terms of PPM, even the Density brand that supposedly doesn't contain N.

when i switched to RO it took several attempts to get the runoff PPM's to balance with what i was feeding. i never went straight RO, i think i did 300PPM mix of base nutes and calmag to give the water some substance to PH it, couple of good runoff sessions got it sorted.

i'd like to know if there's any other readily available calmag products that don't have extra N too - all three of my flowering girls are too rich with N from all the calmag so starting today i used the Density stuff again and reduced my base nutes quite a lot. it's a real balancing act this autos/coco/RO business

 

[NiceOption]

DAY 49

Despite the cal mag problems Zkittlez is coming along very nicely. She seems to have stopped stretching but she's really hogged all the space in the tent. Grown into a fantastic structure with very little training. There are three tiers to the canopy now, like a we(e)dding cake. Flowers are stacking nicely now and the frost has arrived. Looks like she'll be a decent yielder I think.

Def spots:

NYCD is suffering a bit due to space constraints and possibly underfeeding. She looks to be a week or so behind the Zkittlez and not much noticeable change. Hoping that changes in the next few days. I'll be pulling her around a bit later tonight to try and expose more of those budsites. I've given several heavy defols and she's still very bushy.

16 day old Seedstockers Super Skunk here too I'll pot her up this weekend:

full tent!

I've ordered some different cal-mag (hydro store was closed) just got the vitalink stuff. No idea if it's any good but it will be interesting to see the difference in ppm (if any) and it was pretty cheap.

Think I'll need to order a dehumidifier as the RH is around 50 and i'll like to pull that down a bit and get it nearer to 40% now the flowers are starting to stack and calyxs are swelling.

Lights are now at 60cm from the top cola as after doing some reading around and under Froot's advice I've found the lights were too close to the plants and this is probably contributing to the defs I'm seeing.

I'm looking at ordering a set of the Shogun nutes after seeing some great results with them. They seem like an honest company and they're based in the UK so prices are reasonable. Might try it out on the superskunk and something else - not sure what yet. I planted a Fruit Cake but after germing three, one sort of survived and it's not looking good now so it'll be scrapped within a couple of days probably. Really unimpressed with Seedstockers unfortunately.

I have a Critical Kush which might find it's way into the garden and I've also been looking at the San Francisco Sour Dough from Top Shelf Elite Genetics which looks interesting. Then there's also any of the Chem crosses from Mephisto, all of which are screaming my name.

Anyway, thanks again for all your help guys and have a splendid weekend.

 

[Trichome farmer]

DAY 49

Despite the cal mag problems Zkittlez is coming along very nicely. She seems to have stopped stretching but she's really hogged all the space in the tent. Grown into a fantastic structure with very little training. There are three tiers to the canopy now, like a we(e)dding cake. Flowers are stacking nicely now and the frost has arrived. Looks like she'll be a decent yielder I think.

Def spots:

NYCD is suffering a bit due to space constraints and possibly underfeeding. She looks to be a week or so behind the Zkittlez and not much noticeable change. Hoping that changes in the next few days. I'll be pulling her around a bit later tonight to try and expose more of those budsites. I've given several heavy defols and she's still very bushy.

16 day old Seedstockers Super Skunk here too I'll pot her up this weekend:

full tent!

I've ordered some different cal-mag (hydro store was closed) just got the vitalink stuff. No idea if it's any good but it will be interesting to see the difference in ppm (if any) and it was pretty cheap.

Think I'll need to order a dehumidifier as the RH is around 50 and i'll like to pull that down a bit and get it nearer to 40% now the flowers are starting to stack and calyxs are swelling.

Lights are now at 60cm from the top cola as after doing some reading around and under Froot's advice I've found the lights were too close to the plants and this is probably contributing to the defs I'm seeing.

I'm looking at ordering a set of the Shogun nutes after seeing some great results with them. They seem like an honest company and they're based in the UK so prices are reasonable. Might try it out on the superskunk and something else - not sure what yet. I planted a Fruit Cake but after germing three, one sort of survived and it's not looking good now so it'll be scrapped within a couple of days probably. Really unimpressed with Seedstockers unfortunately.

I have a Critical Kush which might find it's way into the garden and I've also been looking at the San Francisco Sour Dough from Top Shelf Elite Genetics which looks interesting. Then there's also any of the Chem crosses from Mephisto, all of which are screaming my name.

Anyway, thanks again for all your help guys and have a splendid weekend.

id certainly be interested in seeing how the shogun stuff works and my buddys uses the vitalink cal mag seems to do the trick but as most of them has a fair bit of nitrogen in it

 

[NiceOption]

Popped one of these freebies in some water to soak.

Not a strain that's really calling to me too much to be honest, I prefer a little sativa in there to balance things out but I'm sure it'll be a nice bedtime smoke and should have some decent medical qualities which appeal to me and will be appreciated by some other friends with medical issues who I help out when I can. I think it's also fairly high in CBD without being a CBD strain per-say.

 

[NiceOption]

id certainly be interested in seeing how the shogun stuff works and my buddys uses the vitalink cal mag seems to do the trick but as most of them has a fair bit of nitrogen in it

I'm ordering the coco bundle, we'll see how it goes. It's reasonable value for what you get but seems to have a lot going on.
I've been listening to Tad Hussey's podcast for the past few days now though and all I want to do is bin all the nutes and go full blown organic. So whilst I'm intrigued, I'm not excited but I'm sure I'll get over myself once the buds start appearing.

Seen great results with it although I've not seen it used with autos.

I'll let you know the results from the vitalink although I'm not sure there'll be much if any difference.

 

[Trichome farmer]

I'm ordering the coco bundle, we'll see how it goes. It's reasonable value for what you get but seems to have a lot going on.
I've been listening to Tad Hussey's podcast for the past few days now though and all I want to do is bin all the nutes and go full blown organic. So whilst I'm intrigued, I'm not excited but I'm sure I'll get over myself once the buds start appearing.

Seen great results with it although I've not seen it used with autos.

I'll let you know the results from the vitalink although I'm not sure there'll be much if any difference.

organics is certainly the hot topic at the moment i dabbled in it for a grow last year biotabs and florganics cant recommend florganics enough so simple and fool proof straight out the bag had mixed results from the tabs il do it again just dont have time for learning right now kinda screwed myself last year tying to many new things then had to stop growing for a bit stocks have been dry too long now