Giving self-pollination a try with AKR - Journal

[BillyMadison]

Hello All, I will be using c.silver to reverse my AKR, will attempt to self pollinate her and that's it, rock n roll.

NOTE FROM b0b_
Do NOT smoke reversed plants , they are nasty when burnt and inhaled , carcinogenic , toxic , taste nasty , will really hurt and mess up your lungs

this includes plants reversed with Colloidal silver , STS , and the crappy knock off spray named tiresias mist

when i say not to smoke reversed plants that includes plants that only had a branch or two reversed as the silver/chemicals do in fact flow through the entire plant (fortunately not enough for full reversal with those reversing just one branch)

please do not post in threads or make new threads and claim it is safe to do so as you are playing with other peoples lives and health when you make such false claims

thank you in advance

I fell for the hype so I do have some T.mist - also have 16 oz 240 ppm colloidal silver made by silver mountain minerals - c.silver that I will dilute down to 50 or 60 with R/O water...

Day 1

Germed AKR for 30 hours on seedling mat. Nice established tap root (actually grew into the napkin) not good. lol.

Planted into pro-mix bx with mycorrhizae amended with 25 % perlite. Have a lot of different feeding schedules/brands, it's all the same (to an extent).

Will be using a 125W CFL 6500 K for veg and to be determined on bloom.

Dimensions will be in the 2 x 2 x 4 area with poly film as reflective material. A 4" inline fan w/carbon scrubber. will be used at one point.

Here's some pics

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She is ready for lift off! Have a soil probe with heating mat - I think it helps. I like snake oils.

3 gallon container. temps are 75F/RH 55-60% - will be on a 20/4 schedule as recommended by World Of Seeds. I love AKR, have had a lot of success with these girls. Ready to step my game up and pollinate one. peace

 

[evol]

Are you just growing one seed and reversing a branch so you can pollinate the partly reversed plant? If you are you will most likely end up with hermaphrodite seeds. We have tried a few times and it never fails to show a herm trait. Could happen early as F1.
It's always best to use at least 2 plants when working with autos.

 

[BillyMadison]

Are you just growing one seed and reversing a branch so you can pollinate the partly reversed plant? If you are you will most likely end up with hermaphrodite seeds. We have tried a few times and it never fails to show a herm trait. Could happen early as F1.
It's always best to use at least 2 plants when working with autos.

Thanks evol, I do plan on reversing a few branches and letting them self pollinate. I will document those beans after they dry out. I'm not discrediting your advice, I just want to make a journal of self-pollination. I have seen a lot of successful journals out there and just want to try it out - I know with out a shadow of a doubt the best route to go is to reverse one and pollinate another - It will be a lot more stable.

I like doing experiments though. I want to "see" what this does and document it. I would love to put an end to all these successful self pollinating journals. They are inspiring and confusing at the same time. I see a lot of people reversing a few branches, collecting the pollen, pollinating THAT girl with it's OWN pollen and they grow out those seeds after they dry out with great germination percentage, no hermies, just fems - unless they are only documenting their success and misleading people like me.

I like snake oils Woops

Thanks for the advice and saving me time, space and energy. I want to try self-pollinating for myself and be truthful about it. From the journals and grow logs that I have seen, I have seen much success and it is hugely debated.

I know all you guys are pro's and have ran these experiments multiple times for years, any links to any self pollinating AKR journals that you guys have?? I would love to see some pictures and day by day results.

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Credit goes to HighLowGrow from RIU-

Documented self pollination of AKR.

"So I germed 1 AKR seed and put into a 1 gal pot with OF about 4 months ago. Lights on 24/7. No nutes.

When the plant was 5" tall I started spraying the stem right below the "bud" sights. I did this every day until the spray ran out. It says to spray for 21 days. I maybe got to 15 days because I went crazy with it thinking if pollen is going to be dropping in here, the whole plant is getting seeded. So I sprayed it everywhere I could."

"The plant was growing fine but I saw nothing else happening. Approx 2-3 weeks after the spray was all used up I started seeing this:

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"Sorry I didn't document dates, but at some point pollen sacs developed - hell ya. So everyday I would go out there, hold my breath, and gently flick the bud sites and watch the pollen fall onto other bud sites. I did that do about a week.

That's it - Lights on 24/7, OF soil, non ph'd water, no nutes.

I don't know why I let this plant go 4 months. I suppose I wanted the most mature seeds possible."
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"There's probably another 100 seeds in the veg box."

As in every log someone says "i thought you had to collect the pollen and pollinate another female didnt know you could do that...good luck with it and thanks for sharing"

Long story short - he grows out a bunch of fems.

 

[evol]

I'm not saying that you will get 100% herms in your F1s but the chances of herms is there when selfing autos. Never stop experimenting, its the best way to learn.

I'll give an example to clarify my first post..

Our first attempt at Selfing an auto was a few years back, we reversed 1 branch and selfed the plant. Approx 25% of F1s would herm.
We used non herm F1s (from the other 75%) to make F2s. We found the herm trait to be passed on recessively through about 60% of the NON herm F1.
This made it hard to select proper parent plants without a lot of work so we had to scrap that and start over.
Now we still will reverse only a branch of autos (in some cases but not all) but we never self an auto. The reversal of only 1 branch allows for our selection to be less blind when choosing a "father" but it does not cause herm issues.

 

[BillyMadison]

I'm not saying that you will get 100% herms in your F1s but the chances of herms is there when selfing autos. Never stop experimenting, its the best way to learn.

I'll give an example to clarify my first post..

Our first attempt at Selfing an auto was a few years back, we reversed 1 branch and selfed the plant. Approx 25% of F1s would herm.
We used non herm F1s (from the other 75%) to make F2s. We found the herm trait to be passed on recessively through about 60% of the NON herm F1.
This made it hard to select proper parent plants without a lot of work so we had to scrap that and start over.
Now we still will reverse only a branch of autos (in some cases but not all) but we never self an auto. The reversal of only 1 branch allows for our selection to be less blind when choosing a "father" but it does not cause herm issues.

Oooooohhh.... Handing out pearls man. "Munch..munch..munch

That's what I'm talking about. So maybe 75% fems? I'm pretty excited.

 

[Epic Genetics]

Oooooohhh.... Handing out pearls man. "Munch..munch..munch

That's what I'm talking about. So maybe 75% fems? I'm pretty excited.

all fems , but 75% non herm is what i understood from his post

evol is back to being active and i couldnt be happier , id pm'd him asking for help due to stone and myself having med issues , cant speak for stone , but for myself , i have days (sometimes 2 and 3 in a row) when answering questions is very difficult , especially long posts as my concentration some days is drained right out of me and my head is pounding with intense pain

ill prolly make an in depth thread/post about all that though , but for now ill just say , i trust evol and you should too

peace

 

[evol]

Yep, all fem but 25% were herm. No males.
That was just one example. I can only speak from me and my teams experience but it seems dependant on the plant being selfed. Some may produce herms in F1 and some not but we always find them somewhere down the line when selfing an auto.
This problem has actually set back our plans to release autos at the same time we release photos.

Thanks for the kind words b0b, I'm always happy to help.

 

[BillyMadison]

all fems , but 75% non herm is what i understood from his post

evol is back to being active and i couldnt be happier , id pm'd him asking for help due to stone and myself having med issues , cant speak for stone , but for myself , i have days (sometimes 2 and 3 in a row) when answering questions is very difficult , especially long posts as my concentration some days is drained right out of me and my head is pounding with intense pain

ill prolly make an in depth thread/post about all that though , but for now ill just say , i trust evol and you should too

peace

Yep, all fem but 25% were herm. No males.
That was just one example. I can only speak from me and my teams experience but it seems dependant on the plant being selfed. Some may produce herms in F1 and some not but we always find them somewhere down the line when selfing an auto.
This problem has actually set back our plans to release autos at the same time we release photos.

Thanks for the kind words b0b, I'm always happy to help.

75% Usable fems. My bad.

Hope you get better b0b, nothing but respect for you and AFN as a whole.

A lot of in depth knowledge (pearls) here.

Thanks to whoever follows and contributes to the test of self pollinating a AKR.

I will be throwing out the hermies and will document percentages, etc. This will be a long journal.

Again, nothing but respect for AFN as a whole and everyone who contributes knowledge and educated opinions.

Hope everyone has a good day

 

[Epic Genetics]

throwing out the herms is a good idea , with partial reversals you have a good chance of knowing if you are getting true reversed flowers and if some might be hermie flowers , but if you plan any full reversals you just wont know , i myself always do full reversals and pollinate separate plants , and if any of the girls hermed i dont use seeds from them , i am still in the dark on weather or not my reversed plant was herm , so im left testing the f1's before ever going on to f2

peace

 

[BillyMadison]

throwing out the herms is a good idea , with partial reversals you have a good chance of knowing if you are getting true reversed flowers and if some might be hermie flowers (test 1), but if you plan any full reversals you just wont know , i myself always do full reversals and pollinate separate plants (test 2), and if any of the girls hermed i dont use seeds from them , i am still in the dark on weather or not my reversed plant was herm , so im left testing the f1's before ever going on to f2

peace

After this project is through I plan on doing a second test ^

After experience is gained and success is achieved, potential crossing projects are something in the future.

I have to start somewhere though and for now, a unused room and light's will do great for this experiment. I've read for hundred of hours and will continue to read for hundreds of hours. "Munch..munch..munch"Stirring"