Giving self-pollination a try with AKR - Journal

[EverythingsHazy]

TBH I don't see how forcing some female pollen sacs to form on a female plant by means of hormone suppressing would change the dna (genetics) of the plant. You aren't irradiating it, or using a mutagen on it. The reason CS spray will reverse one branch only if you spray it on is because you aren't changing the genetics of the plant. You are just going to modify the hormone balance in the sprayed (and nearby) areas. You are by no means introducing a hermaphrodite gene into the plant to cause the flowers to grow. As for there being stress during the breeding process, yea there is, but I'm pretty sure the side effects of that are less pollen and fewer seeds/successful pollinations, and not a genetic deformation.

 

[evol]

Think about the hormonal and physiologic changes that occur in a pollinated plant. If a part of a female is turned male though hormone manipulation don't you think that could have harmful side affects to the seed it produces?

 

[EverythingsHazy]

Think about the hormonal and physiologic changes that occur in a pollinated plant. If a part of a female is turned male though hormone manipulation don't you think that could have harmful side affects to the seed it produces?

I think you might get less (viable) pollen/seeds, but I doubt that the genetics of them would be changed at all by the stress/hormone changes.

 

[Epic Genetics]

I think you might get less (viable) pollen/seeds, but I doubt that the genetics of them would be changed at all by the stress/hormone changes.

hermies are far more common from selfed plants , even plants proven as stable hermie free plants

why is that :dunno:

 

[Sauce]

I am interested in this area and hope to be doing what you are trying one day. Along for the ride

 

[EverythingsHazy]

hermies are far more common from selfed plants , even plants proven as stable hermie free plants

why is that :dunno:

Why is it that cannabis would suffer from selfing but all of the plants that self pollinate don't suffer genetic deformation? For most plants that are self-fertile, most of their seeds are from their own pollen which is usually on the anthers right next to the pistil. If you want to cross them you have to cut off the anthers on the plant that will receive the pollen or it will use a lot of its own.

Also, has that been proven side by side using a clone to fertilize its mother, vs selfing the mother with it's own pollen?

Sounds like an interesting experiment if it hasn't been done.

Take a stable strain, self one plant, and then give some of its pollen to one of it's clones and then grow out liek 50 of each plant's seeds and count the female:hermie ratio. If you did it orrectly I would expect near 100% fems no hermies allowing for a little natural unpredictability from other factors.

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hermies are far more common from selfed plants , even plants proven as stable hermie free plants

why is that :dunno:

Why is it that cannabis would suffer from selfing but all of the plants that self pollinate don't suffer genetic deformation? For most plants that are self-fertile, most of their seeds are from their own pollen which is usually on the anthers right next to the pistil. If you want to cross them you have to cut off the anthers on the plant that will receive the pollen or it will use a lot of its own.

Also, has that been proven side by side using a clone to fertilize its mother, vs selfing the mother with it's own pollen?

Sounds like an interesting experiment if it hasn't been done.

Take a stable strain, self one plant, and then give some of its pollen to one of it's clones and then grow out liek 50 of each plant's seeds and count the female:hermie ratio. If you did it orrectly I would expect near 100% fems no hermies allowing for a little natural unpredictability from other factors.

 

[Epic Genetics]

Why is it that cannabis would suffer from selfing but all of the plants that self pollinate don't suffer genetic deformation? For most plants that are self-fertile, most of their seeds are from their own pollen which is usually on the anthers right next to the pistil. If you want to cross them you have to cut off the anthers on the plant that will receive the pollen or it will use a lot of its own.

Also, has that been proven side by side using a clone to fertilize its mother, vs selfing the mother with it's own pollen?

Sounds like an interesting experiment if it hasn't been done.

Take a stable strain, self one plant, and then give some of its pollen to one of it's clones and then grow out liek 50 of each plant's seeds and count the female:hermie ratio. If you did it orrectly I would expect near 100% fems no hermies allowing for a little natural unpredictability from other factors.

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Why is it that cannabis would suffer from selfing but all of the plants that self pollinate don't suffer genetic deformation? For most plants that are self-fertile, most of their seeds are from their own pollen which is usually on the anthers right next to the pistil. If you want to cross them you have to cut off the anthers on the plant that will receive the pollen or it will use a lot of its own.

Also, has that been proven side by side using a clone to fertilize its mother, vs selfing the mother with it's own pollen?

Sounds like an interesting experiment if it hasn't been done.

Take a stable strain, self one plant, and then give some of its pollen to one of it's clones and then grow out liek 50 of each plant's seeds and count the female:hermie ratio. If you did it orrectly I would expect near 100% fems no hermies allowing for a little natural unpredictability from other factors.

its been done to death

long story short ,,,,, im trying to tell you nicely that selfing the actual plant is bad

as for plants doing it in nature , it compounds the hermie issue , take Thai for example , very hermie prone and very hard to breed it out

peace

 

[EverythingsHazy]

So this is happening, but nobody knows the science behind it besides "the plant gets confused"? That sucks and isn't very scientific at all. Surprised there aren't a lot more hermies out there since a lot of cs tutorials suggest only flipping the bottom branches and then selfing the plants.

 

[evol]

The basic science behind it is that the plant gets confused because of the fluctuation/manipulation of hormones...
Why make it more confusing then it has to be?

plants are far more evolved then humans and they do whatever it takes to reproduce. As breeders we are working against the natural evolution of the plant. It wants to make as many seeds as possible and we want to control that.

 

[EverythingsHazy]

The basic science behind it is that the plant gets confused because of the fluctuation/manipulation of hormones...
Why make it more confusing then it has to be?

Because plant's don't think so they can't get confused. And cs isn't a mutagen. So something is to be learned. Why not learn it?