Giving self-pollination a try with AKR - Journal

[Magic]

Because plant's don't think so they can't get confused. And cs isn't a mutagen. So something is to be learned. Why not learn it?

did you really just say plants dont think? someone needs to do a little more reasearch before posting things you cant back up. do you have any evidence that plants do not think? cus i have tons that say they do. all living things have the ability to think.

they are more Evolved then humans because they get the fact that we live, we mate, we die they don’t get caught up in feelings or emotions that cause them to act out of character. They don’t have wars with each other over ego, and when different species live in the same area they find a way to coincide and strive together, we a long way to go before we are anywhere near as smart as plants but since they can get up and move around a create new cell phones people don’t look at plants like the geniuses they are. not trying to start anything bro but that wasnt a well thought out statement

sorry to get off subject, proceed!

 

[EverythingsHazy]

did you really just say plants dont think? someone needs to do a little more reasearch before posting things you cant back up. do you have any evidence that plants do not think? cus i have tons that say they do. all living things have the ability to think.

Depends completely on your definition of "think". Responding autmatically to certain stimuli is hardly thinking. A plant doesn't "decide" things. No reason or logic. They don't have brains. Not even basic ones like insects. They just have genetic programming. No conscious thought.

 

[Magic]

check this out http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz/

 

[evol]

[video=youtube_share;u2GWd2j3qJ8]http://youtu.be/u2GWd2j3qJ8[/video]

 

[Eyes on Fire]

about thinking plants....there are a myriad or articles and a video on the roots thread I lent some excellent science to.

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[video=youtube;FsHDT_ICqIQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FsHDT_ICqIQ&list =PLdRJCD4_c7Mq3DINBsuCJNhvQuaH4gN7X[/video]

 

[Magic]

you are right hazy, it all depends on what you consider to be "thinking" but they do not think on their own or make decisions. but like you said they are programed, but as we know with computers and biology programs can be hacked or Manipulated or even develope a virus. i dont now much yet about cs and selfing but i plant to learn but to make seeds its best to go natural, that’s why some of the best strains you can get genetically speaking only come in regular seeds. look up rare dankness they refuse to make female seeds because they say it well make their genetics unstable and thats not something they want to do.:Sharing One:

 

[EverythingsHazy]

check this out http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-plants-think-daniel-chamovitz/

That's very cool. The transgenerational memory is an interesting concept that should be further researched. At some point, the lines between memory, genes, and then in that case, instincts, get blurry.

But, to be fair, also from that article...

6. Would you say, then, that plants “think”?
No I wouldn’t, but maybe that’s where I’m still limited in my own thinking! To me thinking and information processing are two different constructs. I have to be careful here since this is really bordering on the philosophical, but I think purposeful thinking necessitates a highly developed brain and autonoetic, or at least noetic, consciousness. Plants exhibit elements of anoetic consciousness which doesn’t include, in my understanding, the ability to think. Just as a plant can’t suffer subjective pain in the absence of a brain, I also don’t think that it thinks.
7. Do you see any analogy between what plants do and what the human brain does? Can there be a neuroscience of plants, minus the neurons?
First off, and at the risk of offending some of my closest friends, I think the term plant neurobiology is as ridiculous as say, human floral biology. Plants do not have neuron just as humans don’t have flowers!

 

[Magic]

you are right hazy, it all depends on what you consider to be "thinking" but they do not think on their own or make decisions. but like you said they are programed, but as we know with computers and biology programs can be hacked or Manipulated or even develope a virus. i dont now much yet about cs and selfing but i plant to learn but to make seeds its best to go natural, that’s why some of the best strains you can get genetically speaking only come in regular seeds. look up rare dankness they refuse to make female seeds because they say it well make their genetics unstable and thats not something they want to do.:Sharing One:

yep i understand your point i dont know if you saw my last post!

 

[EverythingsHazy]

yep i understand your point i dont know if you saw my last post!

In regards to your last post, I agree it would be good to make the seeds naturally, but it's impossible to get natural males of a lot of the best autoflowers unfortunately :/


On the stress thing, I'm curious why the pollen is fine but using it on the calyxes is bad. And also why a hermie gene is the only thing (I've heard of) that's passed on negatively from selfing.


Also, the wild thai's are passing on a gene that caused them to go "hermie". They aren't being turned into "hermies" by people using cs on wild plants. So in that case, there definitely IS a genetic disposition to make pollen sacs/"bananas" that is getting passed on and strengthened over time. I was referring to plants that naturally have male and female parts in every flower. They don't suffer genetic degradation or they would all end up extinct. So that would mean that this hermie trait is the only one coming out of this cs induced stress....

It's interesting. Never heard of complaining about having hermies from a selfed autofem tho. If anyone has links to a thread including that, let me know. I'd be interested to take a look.

 

[Epic Genetics]

In regards to your last post, I agree it would be good to make the seeds naturally, but it's impossible to get natural males of a lot of the best autoflowers unfortunately :/


On the stress thing, I'm curious why the pollen is fine but using it on the calyxes is bad. And also why a hermie gene is the only thing (I've heard of) that's passed on negatively from selfing.


Also, the wild thai's are passing on a gene that caused them to go "hermie". They aren't being turned into "hermies" by people using cs on wild plants. So in that case, there definitely IS a genetic disposition to make pollen sacs/"bananas" that is getting passed on and strengthened over time. I was referring to plants that naturally have male and female parts in every flower. They don't suffer genetic degradation or they would all end up extinct. So that would mean that this hermie trait is the only one coming out of this cs induced stress....

It's interesting. Never heard of complaining about having hermies from a selfed autofem tho. If anyone has links to a thread including that, let me know. I'd be interested to take a look.

ill be leaving this discussion as im getting annoyed with it

as for you never hearing of a hermie from a selfed autofem , ive RARELY grown any auto that didnt hermie , most have thrown late naners and a lot were not as late as i would say is expected to be normal , why is that :dunno:

now then , im done responding in this thread , ill watch/read it though , and if i find anyone is simply trying to push others buttons i will delete every post they made in this thread , as well as any quoted responses

peace