Photoperiod First Photo Attempt: Green Crack and Bubba Kush

[tronN00dles]

I've seen people top twice, but in such a short time I might be worried about stress.

How about some aggressive LST to couple with the topping already done?

.edit ooh, just noticed that these are photos instead?

Yeah photos. I've always topped autos, but only once. I should also point out I'm not in a hurry with these photos...

 

[Death The Cultivator]

They aren't large enough to worry about SCROG or even creating a manifold. Typically it takes 21-28 days from seed to be ready for flower in scrog. You have to give the plant time to mature, develop pre flowers, and let those eventually side branches grow out.

 

[Suki]

Yeah photos. I've always topped autos, but only once. I should also point out I'm not in a hurry with these photos...

I say go for it. I really like how mainling has worked out for me.

 

[tronN00dles]

Week 3 Update

Hey everybody,

Today is Day 21. This is been an eventful week. If you haven't caught the few posts above, let me get you up to speed :smoking:

The Topping Debacle
Originally I intended on manifolding. Then I decided on scrogging. Now we're back to manifolding lol. You'll find I'm an indecisive fella

For manifolding, I was following the tutorial on CocoForCannabis. For scrogging, I was following the tutorial on GrowWeedEasy. The manifolding tutorial recommended topping down to the 3rd node; the scogging tutotrial recommended topping down to the 4th node. I realize these are merely suggestions, but I'm a bit of a nervous-nelly. I had already topped my Green Crack down to the 4th node, then 24 hours later, decided to top down to the 3rd node. A "re-topping" of sorts.

I asked around and the opinions on this were split between "oh god no" and "sure why not". Anyway, I bit the bullet and "re-topped" my Green Crack on day 20 (it was topped originally on day 19). I also went ahead and topped the Bubba Kush down to it's 3rd node yesterday, day 20, as well. This was the first topping procedure done to the Bubba Kush. Recall, this one is growing a little slower. I was kind of hoping the second topping of the Green Crack would slow it down a bit so the Bubba Kush could catch up.... wrong! The Green Crack did not mind the second topping and has grown noticeably in the last 24 hours

Anyway, back to the movie....

Week 3 Stats

For the first couple of days of Week 3, I continued to follow the GH 10-part "medium" feedchart, amended as follows:

• CalMag boosted from 1.7 mL/gal to 2.5 mL/gal,
• Added Diamond Nectar (humic acid) at 2.5mL/gal,
• Added yucca powder at 150-170mg/gal.

However, I was noticing that my run-off was less than my intake on several fertigations, and the leaves started looking a little light for my liking. So I upgraded to the "aggressive" formula, and started feeding at around 900ppm (1.8ec). This is substantially higher than I ever fed autos, but goodness gracious the plants seem to love it. They are proving to be hungry girls!

I'm still fertigating twice daily in the 1 gallon pots, always at a pH of 5.8, and to 10-20% run-off.

Lights are at 500 PPFD, 18/6. Currently drawing around ~200W or so from the wall. VPD around 0.8.

So at the time of this writing, the plants have been topped (re-topped in the case of the Green Crack), and I've removed growth tips below the third node. I'm going to keep the fan leaves below the third node for now, at least until I start to get further into my manifold.

Tomorrow, on day 22, I plan on transplanting both plants into their final 7 gallon containers, after which I will start fertigating once daily. I'm seeing roots emerge out of the 1 gallon pots now as well

Anyway, enough of me blabering -- here are some pictures:

Bubba Kush (left); Green Crack (right)

Green Crack topped down to node #3; note the 4-finger mutation

Root emerging out of the bottom of the 1 gallon pot

That's all for now. Thanks for reading

-tronN00dles

 

[Olderfart]

WEEK 1

Hey folks,

Today is day 7 since sprout. Time is flying. I'll keep this short and sweet with a recap of Week 1. Growth is looking good. Here's some data:

• Fertigating twice daily @ 230ppm (GH Week 1 Medium), around 60mL or so
• PPFD @ 250
• Lights on 18/6
• VPD within 0.4-0.8, temps usually between 19-25 deg C, RH between 64-73%

I'm thinking they'll stay in these nursery bags for another week or so until they move into 1 gallon pots. I've also been keeping the coco in my final 7 gallon pots wet with the same nute mixes I've been giving to the seedlings.

Here's some pics:

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The one on the left is Green Crack; the one on the right is Bubba Kush. The GC is definitely growing faster, as I mentioned, even it's taproot growth was substantially quicker. The BK was 24 hours behind opening her cotyledons. I also had a little mishap with the BK, as some membrane remained after she shed her helmet. I tried to pull this off, but ended up tearing a little bit of cotyledon off. Anyway, she seems to have recovered nicely, just a little behind her sister.

Anyway, I'm pleased with how things are looking so far. Tomorrow I'll be starting them on Week 2 nutes and will be bumping up my feeds.

Cheers,

-tronN00dles
PS. @Death The Cultivator , I settled on a scrog after

Looking good gro bro, keep up the good work!

 

[tronN00dles]

Day 22

The ladies have been transplanted into their final 7 gallon containers

Roots:

I cut the fabric pots off. This was the bottom of one after I took the rootball out:

Green Crack:

And both in the tent:

Thanks for stopping by

-tronN00dles

 

[beavens]

Monster fans!

 

[tronN00dles]

WEEKS 4-5: Stunted!

Hey everybody,

It's been a little while since my last update, so here we go again! I must say, the past two weeks have been eventful. In retrospect, the plants were just subjected to excesses: too much stress, nutrients and light! I probably lost a good ~7 days or so of growth. Fortunately, they seem to have recovered and they're back on a good groove here now :smoking:.

As I said, I'm not in a rush with this so I'm happy enough to let these plants veg for as long as they need to.

Neither the BK nor the GC seemed to have responded great to the second transplant, and they didn't seem to thrive after the topping either. The GC continues to be the faster growing of the two. Anyway, my plan was to mainline these plants, i.e., 3 rounds of topping. So far, the GC has been topped twice, and the BK has be topped once.

Since they stopped growing for a few days after the toppings, I wont subject them to any more. Besides, they remain very short in general. In hindsight, I should have considered the final height of the plants before jumping on a 3-top strategy lol. Lesson learned!

I was also heavy-handed with the defoliating -- not only low growth tips but fan leaves as well. This definitely slowed growth down. I removed everything below the third node on the main stem; then everything from the third node on the main two arms that resulted from the first topping. This is where I stopped with the BK, but continued for one more round of topping on the GC, effectively manifolding it.

So to recap, I have a four-cola GC (left) from an incomplete mainline, and a two-cola BK (right) from an incomplete manifold:

Note the difference in size between the BK and GC! Both planted at the same time, under the same light intensity, and the same fertigation frequencies and concentrations.

In addition to them not loving the HST, I also got a little brazen with my nutrients. Cocoforcannabis recommends ~600ppm at this stage; the GH Feedcharts range from 650-950 for this week depending on light/medium/aggressive feeds.

Back toward the end of Week 3 when I transplanted them into their final containers, I boosted feeds to 950 after foolishly thinking they could handle it based on their run-off. Anyway, the run-off starting exceeding the input by a good several hundred points and I got a bit of a salt build up going on. It took several days to get my run-off in check. I'm currently feeding around 650ppm and getting 720ppm out the bottom. They seem to be thriving now, especially since I stopped with the HST.

I should also say, my Dinafem Autoflowers seem to handle topping better than these Canuk photoperiods....

Fortunately, I have time for them to recover, which is certainly a nice plus with the photos. If these were autos, they'd be fucked.

Anyway, there's one new issue currently poking it' head up.... Is my Bubba Kush a male? I'm seeing little nubby balls that I have never seen on any of my feminized auto grows. These are supposed to be feminized photos, but maybe the stress has hermied them, or perhaps they weren't actually feminized?

Anyway, here are the little balls coming out on the Bubba Kush. It has been in veg for 5 weeks under 18/6. I realize it still may be too early to tell, but if anyone has any commentary it would be much appreciated:

(Excuse the dog hair -- it's not a web lol)

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on the balls and hope they get a little pointy. Am I correct that even if it was a male, there shouldn't be a risk of pollen yet?

That's all for now!

-tronN00dles

 

[Death The Cultivator]

WEEKS 4-5: Stunted!

Hey everybody,

It's been a little while since my last update, so here we go again! I must say, the past two weeks have been eventful. In retrospect, the plants were just subjected to excesses: too much stress, nutrients and light! I probably lost a good ~7 days or so of growth. Fortunately, they seem to have recovered and they're back on a good groove here now :smoking:.

As I said, I'm not in a rush with this so I'm happy enough to let these plants veg for as long as they need to.

Neither the BK nor the GC seemed to have responded great to the second transplant, and they didn't seem to thrive after the topping either. The GC continues to be the faster growing of the two. Anyway, my plan was to mainline these plants, i.e., 3 rounds of topping. So far, the GC has been topped twice, and the BK has be topped once.

Since they stopped growing for a few days after the toppings, I wont subject them to any more. Besides, they remain very short in general. In hindsight, I should have considered the final height of the plants before jumping on a 3-top strategy lol. Lesson learned!

I was also heavy-handed with the defoliating -- not only low growth tips but fan leaves as well. This definitely slowed growth down. I removed everything below the third node on the main stem; then everything from the third node on the main two arms that resulted from the first topping. This is where I stopped with the BK, but continued for one more round of topping on the GC, effectively manifolding it.

So to recap, I have a four-cola GC (left) from an incomplete mainline, and a two-cola BK (right) from an incomplete manifold:

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Note the difference in size between the BK and GC! Both planted at the same time, under the same light intensity, and the same fertigation frequencies and concentrations.

In addition to them not loving the HST, I also got a little brazen with my nutrients. Cocoforcannabis recommends ~600ppm at this stage; the GH Feedcharts range from 650-950 for this week depending on light/medium/aggressive feeds.

Back toward the end of Week 3 when I transplanted them into their final containers, I boosted feeds to 950 after foolishly thinking they could handle it based on their run-off. Anyway, the run-off starting exceeding the input by a good several hundred points and I got a bit of a salt build up going on. It took several days to get my run-off in check. I'm currently feeding around 650ppm and getting 720ppm out the bottom. They seem to be thriving now, especially since I stopped with the HST.

I should also say, my Dinafem Autoflowers seem to handle topping better than these Canuk photoperiods....

Fortunately, I have time for them to recover, which is certainly a nice plus with the photos. If these were autos, they'd be fucked.

Anyway, there's one new issue currently poking it' head up.... Is my Bubba Kush a male? I'm seeing little nubby balls that I have never seen on any of my feminized auto grows. These are supposed to be feminized photos, but maybe the stress has hermied them, or perhaps they weren't actually feminized?

Anyway, here are the little balls coming out on the Bubba Kush. It has been in veg for 5 weeks under 18/6. I realize it still may be too early to tell, but if anyone has any commentary it would be much appreciated:

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(Excuse the dog hair -- it's not a web lol)

Anyway, I'll keep an eye on the balls and hope they get a little pointy. Am I correct that even if it was a male, there shouldn't be a risk of pollen yet?

That's all for now!

-tronN00dles

Imo, it was early to top them or really try to stress them so much let alone defoliating. Much easier to let them grow naturally or even LST so that you can observe the structure and prune accordingly to create the shape that you want. I don't train or prune my clones for several weeks as much of the time is dedicated to rooting.

 

[tronN00dles]

Imo, it was early to top them or really try to stress them so much let alone defoliating. Much easier to let them grow naturally or even LST so that you can observe the structure and prune accordingly to create the shape that you want. I don't train or prune my clones for several weeks as much of the time is dedicated to rooting.

i agree. This was my first time defoliating at all. Something I’ve never done with autos… I was a little too keen to try here. This will be my “practice” photo run…

Anyway, I think I’ll let ‘em veg for another 3 weeks or so. They seem to be all good now.