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[DTOM420]

@WhiteLight

I would turn your light back down. Even 400w is awfully strong for seedlings and I’d even raise the light to 36” or more. I start my seedlings under T5 bulbs and move them slowly to stronger light. Your problem COULD have been more of a lighting issue than anything. 400w is an enormous amount of light for a baby and 1000w is just too much, imo. I’m not expert enough to tell you for certain if your original issue is light related but I can tell you that starting with less light and gradually bringing it up will be better. Those little girls, especially after the stress of being flushed, do look a little small but not awful, by any means. Are you still seeing growth? The color looks pretty good to me. Especially given what they’ve been through. Sometimes seedlings are a little yellower in color and sometimes new growth with also have some slightly yellower coloring.

I’m sure Botanicare pH down is good stuff but I don’t know about using it for seedlings with that much phosphorous in it. I use organic Apple Cider Vinegar that still has the ‘mother” in it. The ‘mother’ is the bacteria that produces vinegar. Since it’s has a bacteria living in it, I do t worry about it having a negative impact on my microbe herd. I’ve gotten all off into the organic thing but the Apple Cider Vinegar (ACV) is cheap compared to lots of pH down products and it’s totally natural.

As a general rule, I don’t feed seedlings for a minimum of 2 weeks when I use a ‘light’ soil. When I am using some nutrient rich soil I don’t feed my plants until day 21-30. They just don’t need ANY food in the first 2 weeks and very little food for a week or two after that. I think people tend to overfeed plants which can cause symptoms that can look like deficiencies and/or CAUSE deficiencies from lockout or pH fluctuations that result from the over feeding.

FWIW - “calmag” is not a deficiency. It’s not even a ‘thing’ other than 2 micronutrients that many companies bottle together. “Cal” is calcium and “mag” is magnesium. They are very different and their deficiencies are very different. You will almost never have a deficiency of both - it’ll be either a calcium deficiency or a magnesium deficiency.

 

[WhiteLight]

I am just trying to dry up the soil, thats why i switched full my ballast.

Im not trying to use a lot of botanicare just a bit for the first waterings until i start feeding. Base nutes balance the ph (i dont think naturally)

About calmag is what bothers me. I have this mag problem, can you see in the photos? And i wonder what could it be? Is it a deficiency? Is it something else with the soil and ph?
It looks worse today. Pot is still wet. Should i try a calmag foilar?

 

[WhiteLight]

Hello Everyone!
7 days after the flush and the soil is still wet. If i take the pots out to the sun it will be ok? It seems to me impossible to dry them out!!!

I did the soil testing just how @hashead told me and it got me a reading of 0.5 EC and 7 PH. They are super hungry

Since i cant feed them from the roots i did a little research on foilar feeding. Has anyone ever heard of it? You have to go really easy with the nutes ratio tho. I was wondering if anyone knows how often i should foil feed them? Every 2 days or more? Or everyday? Please guys i really cant find this information anywhere. I will apreciate if someone knows and explain or if you guys know anyone who you think can help tag him/her along.

 

[hashead]

Hello Everyone!
7 days after the flush and the soil is still wet. If i take the pots out to the sun it will be ok? It seems to me impossible to dry them out!!!

I did the soil testing just how @hashead told me and it got me a reading of 0.5 EC and 7 PH. They are super hungry

Since i cant feed them from the roots i did a little research on foilar feeding. Has anyone ever heard of it? You have to go really easy with the nutes ratio tho. I was wondering if anyone knows how often i should foil feed them? Every 2 days or more? Or everyday? Please guys i really cant find this information anywhere. I will apreciate if someone knows and explain or if you guys know anyone who you think can help tag him/her along.

Im surprised theyre still soaking wet. Bringing em outside during the day should be no harm unless its particularly cold where ya are.
Yea a foliar feed is a good way to help give em a boost. Very dilute mix and mist your plants once or twice a day. Theyll take in the nutes through their leaves

 

[WhiteLight]

Im surprised theyre still soaking wet. Bringing em outside during the day should be no harm unless its particularly cold where ya are.
Yea a foliar feed is a good way to help give em a boost. Very dilute mix and mist your plants once or twice a day. Theyll take in the nutes through their leaves

Hashead you mean everyday? The bottle with the nutes is ok to use it or i have to make new solution the next day?

 

[hashead]

Hashead you mean everyday? The bottle with the nutes is ok to use it or i have to make new solution the next day?

Yea man, preferably before lights on and just after lights out. But whenever your temps are lower is fine, if its too warm the leaves 'pores' will be closed to preserve moisture and wont absorb the nutrients. The water evaporates and the nutes a left on the leaves.

Depends, if your using synthetic/salt based nutes ya can use it for longer, just shake well.
If they're organic, 2 days tops. Otherwise ya get anaerobic bacteria growing in the solution which will kill off the microbes on your leaves.
Never foliar during flowering tho, the buds dont absorb nutrients in the same way and you end up smoking the nutrient residue

 

[DTOM420]

If your soil is still truly soaking wet, I (personally) wouldn’t feed anything. That’s way too long for them to be so wet and there’s no telling what’s going on in the root zone. They’re so young that I’d be afraid of throwing more at it just yet. Sometimes growing just requires patience, not products.

Here’s what I’d do...go order a small bottle of Optic Foliar Transport and a bottle of Earth Juice MicroBlast from Amazon or wherever. These 2 products are indispensable to any grower and are widely recommended by both Waira and Namvet25. Foliar feeding with Transport and distilled water mixed with your feed allows the feed to be ‘transported’ into the leaf about 100x more efficiently AND you can spray it on while the lights are on. MicroBlast has all the micronutrients in it and, IF you’re having a micronutrient deficiency, you’ll see the results very quickly - within a couple days, usually. You will only want to do this once a week, at MOST. Normally, I will foliar feed every 2 weeks unless I’m doing a compost tea or applying beneficial bacteria as part of my IPM. Using Transport makes foliar feeding far more efficient which eliminates the need for more frequent applications - a good thing as wet leaves are an invitation to all sorts of problems like mildew.

If you have to wait on an order you’ll give your soil more time to dry out. I would ditch those plastic pots and go to fabric pots from here on out. They’re MUCH better for many reasons and are pretty cheap. They dry out quickly. I’m not a proponent of repotting autos but you could consider it. Putting them into some fabric pots with a bit of fresh soil might not be a shabby idea, given what you’ve been going through thus far. Yeah, in a perfect world we wouldn’t want to transplant an auto; but these girls haven’t been in that perfect world. Lol!

Hope this helps!

Maybe @Waira or @namvet25 will pop in and share some of their cannabis doctor knowledge. You can take those guys’ advice to the bank!!

 

[DTOM420]

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[rick-j]

If your soil is still truly soaking wet, I (personally) wouldn’t feed anything. That’s way too long for them to be so wet and there’s no telling what’s going on in the root zone. They’re so young that I’d be afraid of throwing more at it just yet. Sometimes growing just requires patience, not products.

Here’s what I’d do...go order a small bottle of Optic Foliar Transport and a bottle of Earth Juice MicroBlast from Amazon or wherever. These 2 products are indispensable to any grower and are widely recommended by both Waira and Namvet25. Foliar feeding with Transport and distilled water mixed with your feed allows the feed to be ‘transported’ into the leaf about 100x more efficiently AND you can spray it on while the lights are on. MicroBlast has all the micronutrients in it and, IF you’re having a micronutrient deficiency, you’ll see the results very quickly - within a couple days, usually. You will only want to do this once a week, at MOST. Normally, I will foliar feed every 2 weeks unless I’m doing a compost tea or applying beneficial bacteria as part of my IPM. Using Transport makes foliar feeding far more efficient which eliminates the need for more frequent applications - a good thing as wet leaves are an invitation to all sorts of problems like mildew.

If you have to wait on an order you’ll give your soil more time to dry out. I would ditch those plastic pots and go to fabric pots from here on out. They’re MUCH better for many reasons and are pretty cheap. They dry out quickly. I’m not a proponent of repotting autos but you could consider it. Putting them into some fabric pots with a bit of fresh soil might not be a shabby idea, given what you’ve been going through thus far. Yeah, in a perfect world we wouldn’t want to transplant an auto; but these girls haven’t been in that perfect world. Lol!

Hope this helps!

Maybe @Waira or @namvet25 will pop in and share some of their cannabis doctor knowledge. You can take those guys’ advice to the bank!!

I wonder if I can wash and reuse those fabric pots?

 

[DTOM420]

I wonder if I can wash and reuse those fabric pots?

I do they’re meant to be reused. Sometimes I don’t even wash them (my wife HATES me putting them in the machine!), I just dump the soil into my soil pile and refill with reamended soil. Sometimes I’ll spray them off with a garden hose before I refill. Now, if you had any issues during the previous grow, like fungus gnats, I would wash them in the machine with a bit of bleach and an extra rinse. Just to be safe.