Dutch Passion DP Ultimates first

[hashead]

I cant understand if ph down (mine is botanicare 0-15-0) can kill micro organics in the soil. Ouuufffff cant even make a good start

Sounds like its phosphoric acid based, it should say on the label the pecentage. Going by the npk its 15%? Which would be fairly weak, I use a 93% and 1 drop lowers the ph of 1lt of water by 1 (7.5 becomes 6.5)

And yes having a too acidic soil harms the microbes, especially mychoryzzal fungi

 

[WhiteLight]

Sounds like its phosphoric acid based, it should say on the label the pecentage. Going by the npk its 15%? Which would be fairly weak, I use a 93% and 1 drop lowers the ph of 1lt of water by 1 (7.5 becomes 6.5)

And yes having a too acidic soil harms the microbes, especially mychoryzzal fungi

Its 30% phosphoric acid with 15% Phospate. Yes, going by n p k its 0 15 0.
So you have to add really a lot of ph down to harm the flora in soil.
So, it would be safe to water from day 1 to day 10 with ph down water to 6.5 from 7.7? I think i need 5 drops to ph down 1 scale with this one.

 

[hashead]

Its 30% phosphoric acid with 15% Phospate. Yes, going by n p k its 0 15 0.
So you have to add really a lot of ph down to harm the flora in soil.
So, it would be safe to water from day 1 to day 10 with ph down water to 6.5 from 7.7? I think i need 5 drops to ph down 1 scale with this one.

Ive never come across it, itll do the trick tho! Yea 6.5 is a safe range to aim for, just check runoff so ya can gauge whats goin on in the soil.
Make sure to take that 0-15-0 into account when you switch to bloom nutes, you dont want phosphorus burn during flowering, trust me...

 

[WhiteLight]

Ive never come across it, itll do the trick tho! Yea 6.5 is a safe range to aim for, just check runoff so ya can gauge whats goin on in the soil.
Make sure to take that 0-15-0 into account when you switch to bloom nutes, you dont want phosphorus burn during flowering, trust me...
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Oh snap. Did she recover from this?
I dont really plan to use it after the first 10 days. My base nutes adjust the ph by design @ around 7.0
Do you have any photo from healthy sproud to day 20 so i can see how much damage i have?

 

[hashead]

Oh snap. Did she recover from this?
I dont really plan to use it after the first 10 days. My base nutes adjust the ph by design @ around 7.0
Do you have any photo from healthy sproud to day 20 so i can see how much damage i have?

Nope, she was about a month and a half into flower (she's a photoperiod). The last 4 weeks were spent healing and ripening, instead of gaining weight.
Its hard to gauge unless you have the same strain to conpare. In my experience autos stay pretty small untill around day 25 and then BOOM explosive vegetative growth.

 

[WhiteLight]

Nope, she was about a month and a half into flower (she's a photoperiod). The last 4 weeks were spent healing and ripening, instead of gaining weight.
Its hard to gauge unless you have the same strain to conpare. In my experience autos stay pretty small untill around day 25 and then BOOM explosive vegetative growth.

I hope to see improvement on the leaves in the next days. If this dont happen im starting all over again with 2 airpots 20litre and without garden lime.
The guy who im copying (https://www.autoflower.org/threads/a-trains-dutch-passion-auto-ultimate-x2.46546/) has growing in promix bx soil. Mine is biobizz light. This is the only difference. Our lime dosology is the same. Dont know how it happened like this. I guess i will email biobizz about the lime and see what they will tell me.

 

[WhiteLight]

I found where i lost the game. It turns out my tablespoon is 22 grams. If 1 tbsp = 15 ml and 1ml=1 gram then i should have added 75 grams of lime. Instead i added around 110 grams. That 2 tbsp more. I hope i am right

 

[DTOM420]

First off, if you want advice on plants you need to post pictures of them. Just talking numbers and theory won’t get you anywhere. I wouldn’t give up on your plants unless they are beyond recovery (without pictures that can’t be determined) because they are a learning opportunity. You’re so new to this that getting some experience, even if it fails or gives you a small yield, will be valuable. I ‘get’ that you’re anxious to have a beautiful monster plant with trichomes dripping off it but, at the risk of sounding insensitive....you need to slow your roll, brother. Smoke a joint and slow down. Learning to grow isn’t a race and you’re in this situation because you charged into your grow like a bull on the streets of Pamplona. Lol! In your hurry you made miscalculations and misassumptions. Slow down and follow a known and easy recipe/method and you’ll have a better time. I’m not trying to be an ass but I am being blunt about it. It seems like you’re kinda jumping the gun and reacting a bit quickly to things rather than waiting on some solid advice, following it and having a little patience to see how things change; before jumping to another remedy method.

I suggest you lay off spraying Epsom salts on your plants. At least for now. If you added lime to BioBiz, you should not be having a calcium or magnesium deficiency unless it’s due to a pH lockout. Even if there is, you’ll do better with a micronutrient product like MicroBlast and mixing it with Optic Foliar’s Transport. Those are 2 products I would never be without in my tool shed and it’ll be WAY more effective than your epsom salt foliar spray. But, again, without pictures it’s nearly impossible to give you solid advice.

Your soil isn’t ruined, brother - it’s just got an elevated pH. There are easy ways to fix that. Sure, you screwed up a little bit you damn sure don’t need to toss that soil and get more! Lol! If you do, send it MY way! Adding some sphagnum peat moss and some organic material (like compost or earth worm castings) will balance out that MINOR over abundance of lime. Again, SLooow down! Let’s move methodically and patiently through one thing at a time. If the plants die, they die; but I doubt they will. They just may not give you a maximum yield. At least you’ll gain some knowledge; and that’s far more valuable than some flower. You’d be surprised what you can still pull off a very ugly and poorly grown plant sometimes. *wink* Now...how about posting some pics of your plants and what you think the problem is/was??

For your next run, I’m going to suggest you do some reading in autobeast’s threads. I believe he uses both BioBizz soil and AN nutes and has a very simple methodology that’s out there in great detail for you to follow. Plus, you can jump into his ‘maximizing autos’ thread and get advice directly from him and some other incredible growers that either use his system or something very similar. Autobeast and the other main folks in that thread are VERY cool about helping new folks along.
Here’s his thread on how to do it his way: https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...a-perfect-healthy-auto-start-to-finish.67300/
Start on page one and read the ENTIRE thread before you even think about popping another bean. I’d actually read the maximizing thread below as well, before starting any other seeds.

Here’s his maximizing thread:
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/auto-topping-thread-pushing-the-auto-limits.57281/

HTH

 

[WhiteLight]

First off, if you want advice on plants you need to post pictures of them. Just talking numbers and theory won’t get you anywhere. I wouldn’t give up on your plants unless they are beyond recovery (without pictures that can’t be determined) because they are a learning opportunity. You’re so new to this that getting some experience, even if it fails or gives you a small yield, will be valuable. I ‘get’ that you’re anxious to have a beautiful monster plant with trichomes dripping off it but, at the risk of sounding insensitive....you need to slow your roll, brother. Smoke a joint and slow down. Learning to grow isn’t a race and you’re in this situation because you charged into your grow like a bull on the streets of Pamplona. Lol! In your hurry you made miscalculations and misassumptions. Slow down and follow a known and easy recipe/method and you’ll have a better time. I’m not trying to be an ass but I am being blunt about it. It seems like you’re kinda jumping the gun and reacting a bit quickly to things rather than waiting on some solid advice, following it and having a little patience to see how things change; before jumping to another remedy method.

I suggest you lay off spraying Epsom salts on your plants. At least for now. If you added lime to BioBiz, you should not be having a calcium or magnesium deficiency unless it’s due to a pH lockout. Even if there is, you’ll do better with a micronutrient product like MicroBlast and mixing it with Optic Foliar’s Transport. Those are 2 products I would never be without in my tool shed and it’ll be WAY more effective than your epsom salt foliar spray. But, again, without pictures it’s nearly impossible to give you solid advice.

Your soil isn’t ruined, brother - it’s just got an elevated pH. There are easy ways to fix that. Sure, you screwed up a little bit you damn sure don’t need to toss that soil and get more! Lol! If you do, send it MY way! Adding some sphagnum peat moss and some organic material (like compost or earth worm castings) will balance out that MINOR over abundance of lime. Again, SLooow down! Let’s move methodically and patiently through one thing at a time. If the plants die, they die; but I doubt they will. They just may not give you a maximum yield. At least you’ll gain some knowledge; and that’s far more valuable than some flower. You’d be surprised what you can still pull off a very ugly and poorly grown plant sometimes. *wink* Now...how about posting some pics of your plants and what you think the problem is/was??

For your next run, I’m going to suggest you do some reading in autobeast’s threads. I believe he uses both BioBizz soil and AN nutes and has a very simple methodology that’s out there in great detail for you to follow. Plus, you can jump into his ‘maximizing autos’ thread and get advice directly from him and some other incredible growers that either use his system or something very similar. Autobeast and the other main folks in that thread are VERY cool about helping new folks along.
Here’s his thread on how to do it his way: https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...a-perfect-healthy-auto-start-to-finish.67300/
Start on page one and read the ENTIRE thread before you even think about popping another bean. I’d actually read the maximizing thread below as well, before starting any other seeds.

Here’s his maximizing thread:
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/auto-topping-thread-pushing-the-auto-limits.57281/

HTH

My friend you are not being an ass at all. I know my self and you are describing exactly who i am. I am this kind of person that rushes and make mistakes but i learn from them very easy and i always improve no matter what. I tried to follow a pattern from a known member in AFN but its not coming like i was seeing in his grow journals. What to do, this is life and it has the ups and downs. I dont think its complicated method but i will study autobeast's threads and i am sure this will help me now and in the future.

As for my first grow i screw it up but yes you are right they are still alive and can give me a lot of information until i harvest. Under normal situation i would not panic and trying things but i saw from early that something was wrong with their color and i start this thread to get help.

To recap the story, i started this thread because i was seeing leaves not being healthy. By talking with other members, i decided to flush them. Its been 1 week, since flush and the soil is still wet. Today i raised up my ballast from 400w to 600w. Distance is at 20 inches from plants. Light is on 18/6. By flushing them i took the EC down to 1-1.5. Ph is around 6.5-7. I will take more runoff readings when they dry.
Temps are 21-24C and humid 50-55% and i have 2 small fans blowing at the canopy and 1 bigger pointing at the pots help them to dry out sooner. I have 3 plastic pots @ 25 litres and 1 air pot 15 litre. I drilled holes on the plastic ones to air the soil. I didnt had the chance to really feed them. I did a light feed some days before the flush and a feed just when i flushed but only to the 2 older sisters.

I will post some photos from youngest to oldest.
[HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] is 15 days old

[HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] is 16 days old

[HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG],4 they are 19 days old

I have all sort of AN nutes and a calmag from GO npk 1-0-0.

 

[rick-j]

First off, if you want advice on plants you need to post pictures of them. Just talking numbers and theory won’t get you anywhere. I wouldn’t give up on your plants unless they are beyond recovery (without pictures that can’t be determined) because they are a learning opportunity. You’re so new to this that getting some experience, even if it fails or gives you a small yield, will be valuable. I ‘get’ that you’re anxious to have a beautiful monster plant with trichomes dripping off it but, at the risk of sounding insensitive....you need to slow your roll, brother. Smoke a joint and slow down. Learning to grow isn’t a race and you’re in this situation because you charged into your grow like a bull on the streets of Pamplona. Lol! In your hurry you made miscalculations and misassumptions. Slow down and follow a known and easy recipe/method and you’ll have a better time. I’m not trying to be an ass but I am being blunt about it. It seems like you’re kinda jumping the gun and reacting a bit quickly to things rather than waiting on some solid advice, following it and having a little patience to see how things change; before jumping to another remedy method.

I suggest you lay off spraying Epsom salts on your plants. At least for now. If you added lime to BioBiz, you should not be having a calcium or magnesium deficiency unless it’s due to a pH lockout. Even if there is, you’ll do better with a micronutrient product like MicroBlast and mixing it with Optic Foliar’s Transport. Those are 2 products I would never be without in my tool shed and it’ll be WAY more effective than your epsom salt foliar spray. But, again, without pictures it’s nearly impossible to give you solid advice.

Your soil isn’t ruined, brother - it’s just got an elevated pH. There are easy ways to fix that. Sure, you screwed up a little bit you damn sure don’t need to toss that soil and get more! Lol! If you do, send it MY way! Adding some sphagnum peat moss and some organic material (like compost or earth worm castings) will balance out that MINOR over abundance of lime. Again, SLooow down! Let’s move methodically and patiently through one thing at a time. If the plants die, they die; but I doubt they will. They just may not give you a maximum yield. At least you’ll gain some knowledge; and that’s far more valuable than some flower. You’d be surprised what you can still pull off a very ugly and poorly grown plant sometimes. *wink* Now...how about posting some pics of your plants and what you think the problem is/was??

For your next run, I’m going to suggest you do some reading in autobeast’s threads. I believe he uses both BioBizz soil and AN nutes and has a very simple methodology that’s out there in great detail for you to follow. Plus, you can jump into his ‘maximizing autos’ thread and get advice directly from him and some other incredible growers that either use his system or something very similar. Autobeast and the other main folks in that thread are VERY cool about helping new folks along.
Here’s his thread on how to do it his way: https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...a-perfect-healthy-auto-start-to-finish.67300/
Start on page one and read the ENTIRE thread before you even think about popping another bean. I’d actually read the maximizing thread below as well, before starting any other seeds.

Here’s his maximizing thread:
https://www.autoflower.org/threads/auto-topping-thread-pushing-the-auto-limits.57281/

HTH

I was reading your reply, I thought for a min. you were talking directly to me, good reply.