Indoor Aero | LED | 36 Cream Caramel | *First Grow* | *First Journal*

[Sauce Boss]

Gonna add 5-10 gallons of water to lower the PPM and EC a lil. Objections?

Out of curiosity, would adding some AN Final Phase to the res be helpful at this moment to relief any of the toxicity that seymourhttps://www.autoflower.org/members/seymour-buds/ is referring to?

 

[The Medicine Man]

Yea, I think it's a toxicity, too. Toxicities can lead to deficiencies of other things and then entire system gets out of whack. You can't lower the EC and keep the PPM the same, they are one in the same. In LP aero, I'd bring your EC down to 1.0 running autos, and run ONLY your base nutrients for flowering. Add some candy at 1/2 strength if you like, but I'd halt the rest. Me, I just use the same thing the entire grow from veg to finish, with the exception of Clonex in the seedling stage. It's always 400ppm of Jack's Hydro, 280ppm Calcium Nitrate and 80ppm of Epsom salts, and a splash of ORMUS water once in veg and twice in flower. I change the res every week on Wednesdays or Thursdays (tomorrow I'll be at the state house welcoming in the new legislative session, so Thur will be change day) and replenish with the same base. That ratio is what I use in flower, so nearly 1.6 EC. I take my base solution (mix in 35gallon containers) and dilute that down to around .9 EC for autos in aero. I run RO/DI water, starting at 0ppm. So far, so good. I don't use any enhancers except ORMUS and soon to start using some sea solids for extra minerals and elements. But that's as fancy as I get.

 

[cereal killer]

100% id say the leaves are toxic and not defiecient, way to much p+k in his bloom feed which the plants arent fully absorbing and causing lock out which is then locking out other nutrients

id honestly go back to basics and just run the base nutrient and the candy

This is the easiest way to cut through the crap, wether its deficient or toxic, it doesnt matter... toxic you give it a chance, and if deficient your not spamming treatments for symptoms that may have secondary causes.

Triffid, Seymore and Med man, you are all higher level growers than I am, much respect, seriously, very switched on.... But sauce needs a solution that doesnt need in depth reading of his charges.

 

[seymour-buds]

Gonna add 5-10 gallons of water to lower the PPM and EC a lil. Objections?

Out of curiosity, would adding some AN Final Phase to the res be helpful at this moment to relief any of the toxicity that seymour is referring to?

autos have a short life cycle and there isnt much room for error mate, once you messed up thats pretty much it, sorry i dont mean to be brutal but im trying to be honest

you could use the flush but the plants are stil gonna keep growing, the best advice has already been given, by myself and others, take what you can from this grow and put it down to an experience, alos there is no point spending big money on all the fancy equipment if you dont know how to use it properly

learn to walk before you can run and growing should be a relaxing experience and not a stressfull one

all the best mate

 

[Sauce Boss]

Sorry to be a headache guys. This was meant to be a journal, not a helpline.

 

[cereal killer]

Its all part of a grow, and sharing your dilemma will only help others.... hell, wouldnt be a true account if you didnt share it.

Seymore is a dialled in mofo, Triffid must eat reference material, and Med man running similar gear... you couldnt ask for a better line-up honestly.

 

[The Medicine Man]

Fun to be lumped in with those guys. And Sauce Boss, don't worry at all. When I first started growing I went straight to aero. My first grows were miserable! Airy buds, stupid yields, I thought it was never gonna be good. My first real good grow was this last run where I pulled 8+ oz off one of my plants. Im finally getting things where I want them, and I started this all back in March. So, keep your head up! Autos are a little trickier than photos in the way seymour said. You don't have a lot of time to mess anything up, so those that are growing good are dialed in big time. I'm getting there... I think I've finally got it right for my seedlings. Other than that, my setups good go go. Dense, very aromatic plants without the pretty jugs most use for nutes. Im even baffling my hydro store with how I do it. So, while you may or may not see 2lbs from the grow, think of how that next one is gonna be. You've got a killer team of folks here at AFN to help you out as you need it. We're not going anywhere.

 

[Sauce Boss]

I readjusted my system to the best of my abilities to the following specifications -

Air temp : 72-79
Water temp : 72-77
PH : 5.80 - 6.05
PPM: 761 lowered to 687
EC : 1.4
Humidity - 45-60%
Light Cycle - 18 on / 6 off
Light Height - 10-18" (smaller plants are further away)

I took 10 gallons of water out of the reservoir and replaced it with 10 gallons of fresh water, this lowered the ppm's (obviously), but the EC stayed steady at 1.4. I am stumped as to what to do. Through the advise of everyone on the board, it has been recommended to lower the EC to about .9 at this point and keep the ppms around 725-ish with only using Connoisseur A&B 2-part bloom nutrient, and the bud candy, which has been noted.

Would it seem easier at this point to just completely drain the reservoir, run the system for an hour with tap, flush again, and refilling the system with a properly adjusted nutrient solution (.9ec/725ppm/5.8-6.1ph)

Or just leave it be and move forward?

 

[littlebopeep]

ok m8 I had a few marks like you have near the top on my cc as well and I raised the lights a bit and that solved my problem
as your ec pen is broken I would suggest you maybe change the tank every 3 days and keep it at about half strength so you know you aren't over feeding them
I cant seem to find if you are using cal /mag supp some of those leaves look that they're lacking in mg I think but I would get some one else to comfirm it for sure
who knows without the pen you cant be sure your not over feeding for sure
so as I said above less is better in most cases to an extent
when you say you are using 2x 600watt led is that the amount of leds times 3..... or 6oow watt draw per light
I wouldnt like to say how much weight you would likely crop your having a few probs so thats going to pull down the figure but a good target for a first grow would be around .6g per watt used (draw)
what do your roots look like m8
Ive just hit day 71 with my cc and im not flushing yet im thinking at least a couple of weeks more at least
very disappointing here's a photo to give you a indication one under led and the other hid and a close up of how white the pistils still are




Cream caramel under hid



cream caramel under led

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close up of bud to show how far they are from even starting to flush day 71

 

[Sauce Boss]

OK so quick update, flushed with fresh water this morning + added 150ml of AN final phase. Let it run for 16 hours and just flushed it out again,

The following was then added -

150ml of Connoisseur A
200ml Connoisseur B
200ml of Bud Candy
50ml FloraMicro
50ml B1

Current specs

Air temp - 70-79
Water temp - 70-76
PH - 5.77 -6.12
PPM- 530
EC - 1.05
Humidity - 39-60%
Light Cycle - 20 on / 4 off
Light Height - 12-18" (smaller plants are further away)


EC is now at 1.05 but at the cost of only being at 530 ppm. Should I add more equal parts of Con A&B to raise PPM (and EC unfortunately),or leave it alone?