Mephisto Genetics White Crack + Sour Livers SIP LOS Grow

what r u running your humidity at ? im trying to maintain 45-55 and its hard this time of year..
edit: kis is sold out of the small bottles of mam p..go figure...
gro-kashi sold out at b a s and 3 week wait via grokashi website..
guess ill have to go the harder route n brew aact in the kitchen. the wife loves it! :funny:
You can just whip up a batch of LactoBascillius aka LactoB in the kitchen in a jar. Its Em1 essentially and what you would use to inoculate the kasha. Just google it, there are a ton of ways to make it. Rice wash, brown sugar etc is the recipe you want.
cheers
os
 
I never I thought I would utter this sentence but, the guy at the hydro shop is right and honest. Leaf mold aka leaf compost or regular compost is all you need and provides way more than just a catalyst (Fulvic acid).
You can great aminos using soybean meal or fish meal in the teas. I have no idea what Athenas animas is.

I know it feels right to feed teas to your plants, cause that's what the synthetic guys do. What you should really do is just add a variety of dry meals and good 'humus' sources like compost, leaf mold, vermicompost to your soil, or top dress them and call it good.

Here is my vibe- You start with a decent soil mix that has microbial life. The plant will send out exudates and build pathways with the "established life" in the soil. The microbial life comes from the "humus" and feeds on the humus itself and meals (like kelp meal or alfalfa meal etc) and minerals added to the soil. The plant thru exudates will tell the microbe life what meals to focus on, the microbial life will process them and thru established pathways tranport them to the correct part of the plant through the best route. The plant and soil together regulate everything, and only need water added to the soil.

When you start adding teas, you throw the balance of things off. For example AACT or actively aerated compost teas, are intended to add a jump start of microbial life to your soil. In theory that works, but your plant and soil have already established the proper microbial life and most importantly in the right proportions and populations.

When you add teas made from say, meals and compost you are essentially changing what's happening in the soil, almost always in a detrimental way. Often times you change the pH of the soil, even if its just for a short time, making the plant work to try and get the pH right. That's work it could have used to grow instead. Another thing that happens when you add Phosphorus to the soil is it interrupts the mycorhizial fungi from searching out P, and they just quit working and the relationship between the plant and the microbe life is severed. The plant gets the Phosphorous in the direct form during this tea watering, a time of plenty so to speak. Once that immediate P is gone from the short time of plenty, the plant has to start from scratch and restablish its microbial network.

Part of the above reasoning on Phosphorus is why so many people have good luck with teas. It does get to plant. But then you have to keep making that available. To be honest, about the worst thing to d in my opinion, is to give an occasional tea when growing in living soil. None or all the time. No in between. I used every good tea recipe out there for years. And I grew awesome plants. Then I just went to relying on what's in the soil, and what's in a top dress, and switched to water only. I found it works even better, and it 1/10 th of the work. And its real cheap.

The ticket instead of a tea, is to just have all the same stuff/ingredients available to the microbes in the soil in raw form so to speak, and let the microbes follow orders from the plant.

That's a small part of how I think about this stuff.

That said, I will be more than happy to help dial ya in on any tea you want to make. I am super good at it, and have made tons and tons. Just tell me what you want to do, and we can make it happen. Just start thinking about working towards water only and top dress.

hth and wasn't too long winded
cheers
os
The ones I am doing the teas for IS NOT A NO TILL PLANT! It’s in flower with another like 10days behind getting super fuzzy but they’ve been getting nectar for the gods nutrients (athenas is their amino acid product in their base 6 sample pack) but they don’t have a product or 2 with higher pk levels their products with those have lots of N and they don’t need more N for sure! Last 2 tech got too much so trying teas for their boosters!
 
These 2! Last 2 by flower they were yellowing from not near enough K so wanted to add diff way to be safe here! Any thoughts on tea for these 2??
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As always Sinse. :thanks: The MAN with the Answers :worship:

Oyster Shells I like in the compost bin too and even sprinkle in straw mulch sometimes as I do with rock dust but not a lot, like you say ..... Folks go to the feed store, cheap - Chickens eat oyster shells and you can get all you can carry to $30 but that would be 3 bags too many - about $7.50 a bag or buy at elsewhere repackaged for at least 2X the price with fancy label and lots of promises .... You can also get Kelp at feed store too, horse and farm animal food - at my feed store you can buy kelp by the pound or 50 lb. bag full - alpha meal, pellets and bails of alpha when in season are other ones - lots of goodies at the feed store, check them out ......

Let me run this one by you @Organic Sinse .... Bat Guano takes time to breakdown we know that but what if we did use in a tea and then discard back to bin or pot - would we gain or loose anything as the nutrients are either in the tea or still in the guano, which by returning we would be getting our last nickel out of the product - thoughts Sinse?
First, let me tell ya where the idea for putting guanos in teas came from, then I will answer. Guanos have been used as top dress and in soil mixes for centuries. There is no disputing they worked good that way.
The first I heard about using Guano in teas, was in the making of AACT or Actively Aerated Compost Teas. It was thought of a great way to introduce even more microbe life from a different source than compost or vermicompost/earthworm castings. In other words using the 'germs' from the guano to inoculate the tea and grow the population from there.

Somewhere along the line, someone thought that it would work good in a tea. They probably liked the idea of being able to spray an application of it or water it in, as opposed to top dressing. If the guano is fossilized, its not going to break down in water in a short period of time. Just not happening. If its in a fine powder, you can try and apply it as tea in liquid form, but you will have a herd time keeping it mixed into solution.

The most bang for your buck is going to be to either mix it into compost or soil ahead of time to start breaking down, or even better run it thru a worm bin, and use the castings in your soil mix, and then later as a top dress if you need more 'oomph' later.

As far as the oyster shells for poultry go. While not harmful by any means and also helping with unique drainage, they take way too long to break down in soil. I tried it 5 years ago, and I still see fragments everytime I work with that soil, I couldn't resist trying for $5 bucks or what ever at the feed store. I like your method of the compost pile. I am going to try the method of composting chicken shit, from chix that have been fed oyster shells. Then that compost will be run through the worm bin. Talk about the long way around.

The oyster shell flour I am using is actually mined from fossilized deposits of dead sea creatures, near San Fran bay I think. Its CaCO3, Calcium Carbonate, and is available to react with H+ ions pretty quickly.

My kelp came in 50 lb sack and is Race Horse feed from the old feed store. Love the feed store.

Glacier rock dust I just grab down the street from the banks of a Glacial creek. Actually my yard is river rock and glacier rock dust. There are a few volcanic dust layers in there too.

cheers
os
 
I never I thought I would utter this sentence but, the guy at the hydro shop is right and honest. Leaf mold aka leaf compost or regular compost is all you need and provides way more than just a catalyst (Fulvic acid).
You can great aminos using soybean meal or fish meal in the teas. I have no idea what Athenas animas is.

I know it feels right to feed teas to your plants, cause that's what the synthetic guys do. What you should really do is just add a variety of dry meals and good 'humus' sources like compost, leaf mold, vermicompost to your soil, or top dress them and call it good.

Here is my vibe- You start with a decent soil mix that has microbial life. The plant will send out exudates and build pathways with the "established life" in the soil. The microbial life comes from the "humus" and feeds on the humus itself and meals (like kelp meal or alfalfa meal etc) and minerals added to the soil. The plant thru exudates will tell the microbe life what meals to focus on, the microbial life will process them and thru established pathways tranport them to the correct part of the plant through the best route. The plant and soil together regulate everything, and only need water added to the soil.

When you start adding teas, you throw the balance of things off. For example AACT or actively aerated compost teas, are intended to add a jump start of microbial life to your soil. In theory that works, but your plant and soil have already established the proper microbial life and most importantly in the right proportions and populations.

When you add teas made from say, meals and compost you are essentially changing what's happening in the soil, almost always in a detrimental way. Often times you change the pH of the soil, even if its just for a short time, making the plant work to try and get the pH right. That's work it could have used to grow instead. Another thing that happens when you add Phosphorus to the soil is it interrupts the mycorhizial fungi from searching out P, and they just quit working and the relationship between the plant and the microbe life is severed. The plant gets the Phosphorous in the direct form during this tea watering, a time of plenty so to speak. Once that immediate P is gone from the short time of plenty, the plant has to start from scratch and restablish its microbial network.

Part of the above reasoning on Phosphorus is why so many people have good luck with teas. It does get to plant. But then you have to keep making that available. To be honest, about the worst thing to d in my opinion, is to give an occasional tea when growing in living soil. None or all the time. No in between. I used every good tea recipe out there for years. And I grew awesome plants. Then I just went to relying on what's in the soil, and what's in a top dress, and switched to water only. I found it works even better, and it 1/10 th of the work. And its real cheap.

The ticket instead of a tea, is to just have all the same stuff/ingredients available to the microbes in the soil in raw form so to speak, and let the microbes follow orders from the plant.

That's a small part of how I think about this stuff.

That said, I will be more than happy to help dial ya in on any tea you want to make. I am super good at it, and have made tons and tons. Just tell me what you want to do, and we can make it happen. Just start thinking about working towards water only and top dress.

hth and wasn't too long winded
cheers
os


Great post right there. You don't need teas. Top dress and water in it's so simple, life in the soil will do the rest
 
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These 2! Last 2 by flower they were yellowing from not near enough K so wanted to add diff way to be safe here! Any thoughts on tea for these 2??
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You could use Kelp meal tea. Use Hecno's trick and grind it in the coffee grinder for max efficiency when making the tea. 1 Tablespoon per gallon. Then top dress the dregs.
cheers
os
 
I don’t know it’s been a min since someone pointed out was K def (he thought cuz he said what happens using nectar if ph is off cuz locks K out but I’ve smoked lots o weed since then so maybe P! :shrug: The ones thatve had mutes I started doing diff teas in flower every 3rd water! Last 2 gelato took 105&120 days before I finally chopped em! This one seems like moving faster n looking better than others that only got nectar so who knows! Does have both p n k from lil molasses! Then calphos + kelp meal! I’m new so was/am experimenting but any that won’t work I’ll def remember! No more bird poo in tea (mine is powdered high p 0-11-0 seabird poo) but top dress if needs some extra and addinto next soil I mix! 10-4:thumbsup:
 
@MrOldBoy @hecno
any experience with em 1
my lazyness dictates that i acquire a microbial supplement post-haste
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Here is a link to how I make LactoB at home.

I don’t put it in soil because I don’t want to interfere with what’s happening, but I love to use it on compost, or to inoculate mulch like MOB does. I innoculate the mulch first, then cover the soil.
There are a ton of other ways to make EM1 at home. Check out KNF-Korean natural farming techs. They make a lot of home made stuff you may find interesting.
cheers
os
 
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