Mephisto Genetics White Crack and Kis Organics Soil

In your Grow I thought you had both fabric pots and an Earthbox in same tent / area?

I have:

2 x EBJRs + 1 x Grobucket running organics.
2 x Coco Hempy style in 3.5g buckets.

No fabric atm. Have zero clue where the thrips came from other than the bags of organics. Not many houseplants. Outside is freezing so bugs should be dead or sleeping. Don't visit other grows. Haven't been to the grow store much. I actually change out of work clothes before going down and tending the plants. Never brought a clone into the house. Dunno.
 
I was worried about root aphids myself, since these little buggers are so... resilient. But I haven't seen one. I have my feed tubes covered with.... yellow sticky paper lol. They all die on the sticky paper trying to get into the tube. I sat around watching and killing the odd fliers and watched them fly in and out of the drain hole. So maybe my treatments up top were being negated by unfettered access down low.

Not sure what "better quality soil" means in this context. I'm using a premium water-only soil. It could be the soil. It could be the bag of EWC, or the bag of ancient forest, or the straw, or hell -- even the bagged organic Dr Earth as far as I know. Not really prepared to do it all myself in house quite yet. The only organics in my basement are the organics I brought in. All medium used during this grow will be discarded though. No huge loss there.

I haven't been growing that long, but I've tried a few methods. Coco, rockwool, dwc, rdwc, now organic. I think organic is the future, and it's most certainly the craze right now for home growers. I probably enjoyed RDWC most of the hydro flavors but a chiller is a bridge too far. F that, especially since I run (or want to run) staggered, perpetual, multi-strain autos.

I had the soil covered with straw, then a feeding cycle came around and I put some fresh EWC+Compost so it's kinda naked under the cover right now. So that's probably my bad. I've heard no naked soil long enough you'd think it would stick, but I thought the cover negated some of that. Heck the instructions just say mound the soil up I think.

Last night I did some more thorough scouting. The coco girls are ready finally, reached the few clear, mostly cloudy, couple amber phase. They'll come down this weekend. I was only able to find 3 thrips despite smacking quite a few leaves. Since I am so late in flower, my thrip protocol right now is pretty simple. I semi-gently smack the stems with some pvc, followed up with a bleach mop of the area around it. Anything that falls off is shortly dead. I haven't been seeing many, it pisses off the gnats more than the thrips I think. lol.

My thinking with the cover (not borne of experience of ANY kind, lol)
- It would be easier to monitor soil conditions
- I would be more likely to top water BTI or whatever daily

Anyhow the old saying "Tell a man there is a billion stars in the sky and he'll believe you. Tell a man that bench has wet paint on it and he has to touch it to be sure" applies 100% to me.

What about a coverless SIP. That way you have the option top or bottom. Some of the sip designs I've seen are more like hempy buckets without a fill tube.

I think the panacea would be a huge bed, no-till style with some cannabis, some herbs, maybe some veggies, some banker flowers, etc. But bringing THAT much dirt into my basement into a quasi-permanent configuration freaks me out. I wish we could just plant them outside like tomatoes. Ah well....

Thanks all.
What kid of soil are you using again? I say to use a higher quality soil because your infested with pests and it had to have came from your medium at that volume. Some soils are known to come with free pests, like Fox Farm. At that vokume I suspect it came in tbe bags of soil, not from the store or something. Clearly any soil can get bugs, but yours are at an unusual high level. Seems like the Soil plants are more effected than the Coco? So I suspect the soil has been infested since you planted. If yiu have any of that soil laying around I would chuck it in the garbage. Throw out any debris, leaves, or standing water laying around. Sounds like you have been bleaching stuff. Personally I woukd not start anything new til you get rid of your plants you have and do a nuclear wipeout clean job. Otherwise it may be a battle. Good luck, slow
 
Thats right, I commented about not being able to trust products from Michigan!
I live here and know how shady the grow industry is here. That is probably some shitty soil from Home Depot thatvwas rebagged as premium water only. Seriously, I dont trust grow products from here and people repackage all kinds of stuff. They lie at dispensaries and name the same strain 4 different things to get rid of it. Shady. Sorry, but im telling the truthm. My brother worked at one. Peace, slow
Using this:
https://detroitnutrientcompany.com/collections/dnc-products/products/great-lakes-water-only-soil

Have 2 brand new bags sitting around for maybe the next run. Maybe not. lol

There is no standing water(other than daily runoff which is vaccuumed daily), no dirt, no leaves, no nothing. I wasn't joking when I said I mop the floor daily with a mild bleach solution ;)
 
Good news everyone! 7x7 is down. 4x4 is up! What a pain in the ass. Now I have to put up 2x4 later. I have 2...but only putting 1 up tonight. Need to clean and reorgsnize before doing both. I will take a few pics later. For now the 4 Photo Juniors in there together. Will put trellis up and start to train later. And put the other 4 clones in the 2x4 I want to see how these smaller ones do, so I will be flipping all of them tomorrow once they are all set up. Excited for my rotation to start! Taking clones tonight. Gor rid of a couple moms that were too big. Kept only 1. Will create a new mom. Peace, slow.
 
In retrospect, now that I'm nearing the end of my first semester of IPM 101... Mistakes were made. Here are some of them that maybe somebody can learn from:

- Soil was not always optimally covered under the covers, the fungi growth with MBP was off the charts. They could probably sense that buffet from Ohio.
- If I use the Jrs again, I would line the bottom part with landscape fabric to reduce the soil/water attack surface area
- I would also look into plugging the drain hole from the inside. I'm certain they were breeding in the bottom half.
- I got aggressive against the gnats too late, used too little BTI when I started.
- I didn't scout properly and caught the thrips late. Didn't know what or how to check.
- I probably cross contaminated by mulching with leaves from other plants as I trimmed

I feel way more comfortable now with IPM (still learning though) and feel I could deal with it in veg.

I think the ultimate solution is build your own soil, use your own EWC, and your own compost. But that's not in the cards right now.

Not sure what I'm going to do next run. Either Coco/Hydro/sterile, this same shit again but better, or maybe I'll try organics light. Skip the water-only, make up something simple like promix+perlite+coco+drEarth in fabric pots.

I do have another tent that I'm considering spinning up for early veg. Just need a LED driver. It's just the larger tent takes a lotta watts to stay warm, so unless it's loaded -- it's wasteful.
 
Thats right, I commented about not being able to trust products from Michigan!
I live here and know how shady the grow industry is here. That is probably some shitty soil from Home Depot thatvwas rebagged as premium water only. Seriously, I dont trust grow products from here and people repackage all kinds of stuff. They lie at dispensaries and name the same strain 4 different things to get rid of it. Shady. Sorry, but im telling the truthm. My brother worked at one. Peace, slow
I used the Michigan made mix on the bottom of my earthboxes and have nothing bad to say about it now that my growis concluding.
I grew only one plant in a conventional pot and the growth as well as water consumption was noticeably inferior to the earthbox,although still easy and fun.
 
Sweet and sour
 

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I have:

2 x EBJRs + 1 x Grobucket running organics.
2 x Coco Hempy style in 3.5g buckets.

No fabric atm. Have zero clue where the thrips came from other than the bags of organics. Not many houseplants. Outside is freezing so bugs should be dead or sleeping. Don't visit other grows. Haven't been to the grow store much. I actually change out of work clothes before going down and tending the plants. Never brought a clone into the house. Dunno.

Think your later post pretty much summed up the experience .....

My suspect was the GroBucket - as I recall due to height of bucket, top watering was happening and it might of got a smidge wet, wet soil gnat heaven or perhaps the coco or Earthbox with loose covers - at any rate that class is coming to an end and we have a whole new semester ahead - best of luck whatever grow method you use.
 
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