New Grower Updates and Question to My Dutch Passion Super Skunk Grow

[HashMaster]

Hmm what's up @HashMaster @Moondude @Dr. Babnik I have mixed feelings about pre harvest flushing and have tried a few different ways.First off if you think/believe that an ash that does not burn gray is caused by improper flush or nutes still present( like we've all been told) then it of course makes sense that you should flush your plants before harvest( but look at your curing process before you spend money on a flush agent) if you think that a plant should use all its nute reserves and turn yellow from nitrogen deficiency before /as the triches are ambering up,think again,what would happen if you defoliated maybe a few weeks before harvest and there was no nute reserves or fans to turn yellow,changes the whole game doesn't it?? There are many theories and "tests" done to "prove" that flushing is necessary most of which were probably done by nute companies to have you buy their product..in a natural setting where the fans would be necessary to store what little nutes it can gather from a( prolly) unconditioned soil, the fans would be necessary for the plant to make it to harvest therefore the yellowing is caused by the plants usage of those reserves,but ,there would not be a flush of a plant in a natural setting,..I have ran plants with no flush and they burn clean I have straight water flushed for a few weeks and they have still burned clean..the mid term flush between cycles is to flush salt buildup which may not happen if the plant is watered with plenty of runoff and done often,but when a plant is being flushed from a nute issue or trying to "reset" the medium it is said to be done with ( something) like 3-5 times the water as the pot size( cause this clears nute/salt buildup and basically resets the medium which is why a 1/4 strength feed is supposed to follow) ..these are my thoughts mixed with different reports/studies and without an in depth and accurate test of two plant( one flushed and one not) (to see what's left in it) how would you know if the product your spending money on really works,but each strain is different and each pheno could also be different in the way they use the nutes,now if your plant has an issue that is obviously cause by a problem( like nute burn,spotting,toxicity,deficiency) then I would say flush it( and this would include near harvest cause that's when plants needs change and a lot of the time are over/under nuted) but if your plant gets to the Amber % you are looking for but the leaves show an even uniform fading ( or none at all)I would not flush( and I have had them finish this way) sorry for the book but do a search for flushing and you will get 50% say yes and 50% that say no,,try it and see..just my 2cents tho..

Very true.....

There are some who flush and some who don't. There are some that can taste the stored nutes and some that can't (I myself can)

But as I was just mentioning to another grower, anymore I really could care less about all of the other reasons for it except for the contaminates / health aspect.

Flushing can be a personal preference, but I even flush organic grows due to the potential contamination.

A hazard of getting old I guess, anymore if there isn't a lab analysis proving no contaminates present then I prefer to err on the side of caution and assume they are present.

Actually this could be an interesting flushing sub topic for the Dr. to jump in on with his history in chemicals.

The chelated flush is supposed to grab onto a lot of unwanted things that are more prevalent in most everything around us anymore.

Maybe he can shed some light on that angle of it.

 

[Dr. Babnik]

Hey Doc, I heard you howling at the moon........

This is one of my final big struggles brother, when I was young, I chopped when I was told to AND the plants were fed by a creek and nutes from the cornfields......

To help cover my but I purchased FloraKleen, which is the rinse solution from General Hydroponics; whom I use for nutes. This stuff is suppose to jump you to flushing only 2-3 days. At this point I cannot comment on this product, I have not had it long enough.

Here is what I have learned so far:

• I don't think it is possible for a true stoner to wait too long with Autoflowers.
• Unless it is a hobby plant (Roadrunner), it will not be done before 60 days total.
• Most go around day 70 (so far for me).
• Two weeks ain't gonna happen IMHO. If you run nute schedule according to text, it does not add-up. Technically you do not feed them until after three weeks. You give them straight water for two full weeks to flush. This does not leave any room for a proper nute schedule.

Going forward I am going to STICK to my nute schedule and after week eight, keep them on ripen nutes until trichomes are were I want them, flush with FloraKleen, then clean feed for about three days.

This is from someone with eight AutoFlowers under their belt. I am anxious to hear from @budelee and @HashMaster and @witchyhour..........

Do you have one of these charts:
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Nice chart, @Moondude! Do you grow in soil or other medium? I was thinking of some cleaning reagent. Adv. Nutr. Flawless Finish, but is it useful with soil?

@HashMaster
Super Skunk is approaching 90 days. I would consider them medium drinkers.
Sensi Seeds say floweringtime is 60-65.
There are some amber in the main cola.

I use lots of ions.My plan is two feedings with molasses in pH-adjusted water. The first of these was yesterday.
Then cleans by light flushing, dry up and flush lightly again.
How to proceed? Should the soil dry up before harvest?

 

[Dr. Babnik]

It's not hard, starting out I usually just tell people to wait until 75% of the hairs have turned brown.

You can't go wrong with that as a baseline and then as you get more experience you can play with it depending on your desired effect.

But since I miss about 95% of the posts here I thought it would be easier and quicker to just ask him and maybe help him dial it in a bit better for his needs.

As I've missed keeping up on his grow......

It is impossible to follow everything. Tha'ts why I tag you Professors when I need you.

 

[HashMaster]

Nice chart, @Moondude! Do you grow in soil or other medium? I was thinking of some cleaning reagent. Adv. Nutr. Flawless Finish, but is it useful with soil?

@HashMaster
Super Skunk is approaching 90 days. I would consider them medium drinkers.
Sensi Seeds say floweringtime is 60-65.
There are some amber in the main cola.

I use lots of ions.My plan is two feedings with molasses in pH-adjusted water. The first of these was yesterday.
Then cleans by light flushing, dry up and flush lightly again.
How to proceed? Should the soil dry up before harvest?

Flawless Finish is fine in soil.

Considering the entire plant, are you at 75% red hairs ?

Are you looking for a daytime smoke, a good stone, or couch lock ?

The breeders always list shorter than actual times.

Also, under magnification are you mostly clear, clear / cloudy, or cloudy / amber ?

 

[Dr. Babnik]

Flawless Finish is fine in soil.

Considering the entire plant, are you at 75% red hairs ?

Are you looking for a daytime smoke, a good stone, or couch lock ?

The breeders always list shorter than actual times.

Also, under magnification are you mostly clear, clear / cloudy, or cloudy / amber ?

In between good stone and coach lock.
Most hairs are red but cloudy with few amber.
How would that develop when the plant is deprived of nutes?

 

[MoonDude]

Yo Doc,

 

[bushdktr]

In between good stone and coach lock.
Most hairs are red but cloudy with few amber.
How would that develop when the plant is deprived of nutes?

All good tips they've given you out there Babnik, I personally wait for the leaves to yellow a little bit more, seems to work as a rule of thumb with autos, as they don't always amber their trichs, and this can be strain dependent. Follow the stickie from @Muddy and you won't miss it ("your leaves will tell you")
To my taste, I will stop now with nutes and you'll see how she devours the rest of the goodies from the leaves, turn them yellow in a week to 10 days and you're done!


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[MoonDude]

It's not hard, starting out I usually just tell people to wait until 75% of the hairs have turned brown.

You can't go wrong with that as a baseline and then as you get more experience you can play with it depending on your desired effect.

But since I miss about 95% of the posts here I thought it would be easier and quicker to just ask him and maybe help him dial it in a bit better for his needs.

As I've missed keeping up on his grow......

QUICK SIDE QUESTIONS: Last round I was inconsistent with my nutes. I believe this was the culprit. Around week seven, I started shooting new pistils on the top and bottom when originals were almost done!?

• Do you ignore these pistils if/when this happens?
• Do you think this was caused by inconsistent nutes?

 

[MoonDude]

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Haha! That was an error. I didn't mean to post that.

I'm gearing towards my first harvest, although I already cut almost a third of my first plant in bud samples... So far, I have only used ph'd watet. I did get the General Hydroponics flush product, Flora Kleen, or something like that. I'll probably try it on my Skunkie and see hownI feel about it. @Itisi Have you used any flushing products?

"although I already cut almost a third of my first plant in bud samples."

The number is growing fast dude!!!!............... You gots to get to growing so you have back-up. I should shut-up, I think you are aware of my 3-week early falling a few months back.....

 

[MoonDude]

Hmm what's up @HashMaster @Moondude @Dr. Babnik I have mixed feelings about pre harvest flushing and have tried a few different ways.First off if you think/believe that an ash that does not burn gray is caused by improper flush or nutes still present( like we've all been told) then it of course makes sense that you should flush your plants before harvest( but look at your curing process before you spend money on a flush agent) if you think that a plant should use all its nute reserves and turn yellow from nitrogen deficiency before /as the triches are ambering up,think again,what would happen if you defoliated maybe a few weeks before harvest and there was no nute reserves or fans to turn yellow,changes the whole game doesn't it?? There are many theories and "tests" done to "prove" that flushing is necessary most of which were probably done by nute companies to have you buy their product..in a natural setting where the fans would be necessary to store what little nutes it can gather from a( prolly) unconditioned soil, the fans would be necessary for the plant to make it to harvest therefore the yellowing is caused by the plants usage of those reserves,but ,there would not be a flush of a plant in a natural setting,..I have ran plants with no flush and they burn clean I have straight water flushed for a few weeks and they have still burned clean..the mid term flush between cycles is to flush salt buildup which may not happen if the plant is watered with plenty of runoff and done often,but when a plant is being flushed from a nute issue or trying to "reset" the medium it is said to be done with ( something) like 3-5 times the water as the pot size( cause this clears nute/salt buildup and basically resets the medium which is why a 1/4 strength feed is supposed to follow) ..these are my thoughts mixed with different reports/studies and without an in depth and accurate test of two plant( one flushed and one not) (to see what's left in it) how would you know if the product your spending money on really works,but each strain is different and each pheno could also be different in the way they use the nutes,now if your plant has an issue that is obviously cause by a problem( like nute burn,spotting,toxicity,deficiency) then I would say flush it( and this would include near harvest cause that's when plants needs change and a lot of the time are over/under nuted) but if your plant gets to the Amber % you are looking for but the leaves show an even uniform fading ( or none at all)I would not flush( and I have had them finish this way) sorry for the book but do a search for flushing and you will get 50% say yes and 50% that say no,,try it and see..just my 2cents tho..

It's not hard, starting out I usually just tell people to wait until 75% of the hairs have turned brown.

You can't go wrong with that as a baseline and then as you get more experience you can play with it depending on your desired effect.

But since I miss about 95% of the posts here I thought it would be easier and quicker to just ask him and maybe help him dial it in a bit better for his needs.

As I've missed keeping up on his grow......

All good tips they've given you out there Babnik, I personally wait for the leaves to yellow a little bit more, seems to work as a rule of thumb with autos, as they don't always amber their trichs, and this can be strain dependent. Follow the stickie from @Muddy and you won't miss it ("your leaves will tell you")
To my taste, I will stop now with nutes and you'll see how she devours the rest of the goodies from the leaves, turn them yellow in a week to 10 days and you're done!


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All great information. I love it when a group coalesce..............
HASH, BUD, WITCH



bushdktr, there was no link to REP you?