Does it really stunt it? or will it work to my benefit getting light all the way through plant?
New Grower trim leaves during budding
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bud head
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to your benefit!.. I cut most every leaf that blocks a bud site.. go to some of my posts you will see the results of giving them a hair cut ..don't worry they recover fast ..cut at night, they will be up and strong by the morning!
or go to my signature link...hope you don't mind but here is a picture of one I gave a haircut to tonight.... https://www.autoflower.org/f61/my-bucket-grow-journal-anyone-can-grow-stuff-easily-20228.html
or go to my signature link...hope you don't mind but here is a picture of one I gave a haircut to tonight.... https://www.autoflower.org/f61/my-bucket-grow-journal-anyone-can-grow-stuff-easily-20228.html
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bud head
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here's the results of leaf cutting or 'haircuts' I would have never gotten this many bud sites / buds had I not cut the leafs, I give them massive haircuts almost every week until they start budding then I cut the ones that block a bud site I do this to all my plants.. can't grow the buds if they're being blocked you can sacrifice some leafs for new bud growth the plant can handle it if it's healthy with plenty of light..as you can see :key:
the leaves take in the energy the buds are the fruit which is created from that. imo youre crippling yourself if you take them off. for circulation reasons it might be an idea or overcrowding but there are better ways of fixing those.
bud head it works for you (really damn well) but you have a lot else going on too. and youre in dwc which is known for ridiculously fast growth when dialed in properly so damage wont be as big of a deal as repair times will probably be alot quicker.
also thats a sativa dominant one(?) they even as photos veg continually through flower (? or so i hear) it probably wont do that to a indica dom one. just guesswork that bit though...
as a general rule never trim. some do and it works for them but thats the exception not the rule.
there are so many things in play that need to be working right to get results like that from trimming most who are asking if its a good idea will not be in control of every aspect of their grow to that degree.
trimming too much is like undelighting plants, you wont be picking up as much energy from the same light source due to smaller overall green surface area.
think LST sidelighting and getting a bigger space as a safer option.
bud head it works for you (really damn well) but you have a lot else going on too. and youre in dwc which is known for ridiculously fast growth when dialed in properly so damage wont be as big of a deal as repair times will probably be alot quicker.
also thats a sativa dominant one(?) they even as photos veg continually through flower (? or so i hear) it probably wont do that to a indica dom one. just guesswork that bit though...
as a general rule never trim. some do and it works for them but thats the exception not the rule.
there are so many things in play that need to be working right to get results like that from trimming most who are asking if its a good idea will not be in control of every aspect of their grow to that degree.
trimming too much is like undelighting plants, you wont be picking up as much energy from the same light source due to smaller overall green surface area.
think LST sidelighting and getting a bigger space as a safer option.
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a couple posts ive made in the past , might be a bit long , but i advise EVERYONE to read it , no matter what your "belief" might be
the leaves are your plants solar panel so to speak and also your plants sugar factory so who in thier right mind would want to remove them ? would you remove 2 spark plug wires from your car and expect it to perform better ?
when you remove leaves the plant grows new ones trying to replace the lost ones , well that takes energy , energy that would be better spent on other areas of growth
cutting leaves will result in release of stress hormones. Most people who argue fervently otherwise think they know what they're talking about, they don't. All your leaves should be absorbing light. Even the leaves below collect light
if you prune during flowering then you will get leafy bud as the plant tries to replace the removed leaves
people keep saying do side by side or id like to see a side by side , well if you have grown long enough you will have already done it , its been DONE TO DEATH , and yes ive done it , i get better fuller , denser , bigger , heavier buds WHEN I DONT PRUNE LEAVES
ive harvested plants with huge fan leaves and the lower buds were all the same size and weight (some were covered by a leaf and some were not)
ive surounded plants with light from top to bottom and the lower buds REMAIN SMALL , they are small because the plants send thier shit to the high spots , proof of that is on every branch , the top/end bud is always biggest , even when any below it are recieving un-shaded light
im about to harvest plants grown with lights hung vert , the top buds are biggest even though the lower ones are exactly the same distance from the light
simply put , it isnt leaves causeing any slower/smaller growth , its just naturally the way your plants grow
but by all meens , if you want to stress your plants , grow leafy buds , remove your plants solar panels and sugar factories then go for it
each to thier own
peace
Fan leaves account for the greatest area for the reception of photons on a plant, thus they account for the majority of photosynthesis which occurs within a plant. Cells in the plant's leaves, called chloroplasts, contain a green pigment called chlorophyll which interacts with sunlight to split the water in the plant into its basic components. Leaves only absorb about 15% of the solar energy that hits them, the other 85% passes through-- but they reflect all the green light, which means it looks darker below the leaf to a human than it does to the plant because our eyes are most sensitive to the green spectrum (Shipperke, 03.15.2002).
Photosynthesis occurs in all green parts of plants. The process has two stages, the light reactions and the Calvin cycle, that convert water and carbon dioxide into sugar and oxygen. These sugars are later used to power all the processes in the plant, including the synthesis of THC and other cannabinoids (Shipperke, 04.02.2002; Ca, 03.13.2002). Fan leaves possess the greatest number of stomata, which are small pores or valves on the underside of the leaf which water vapor and carbon dioxide diffuse during transpiration and photosynthesis (carbon fixation). Carbon dioxide first enters the leaf through the stomata and combines with the stored energy in the chloroplasts through a chemical reaction (the Calvin cycle) to produce a simple sugar. This sugar is unloaded into the tissues and transported through tubes in the leaf to supply the synthesized food to other plant parts such as growing or respiring tissues like young leaves, roots, and flowers of the plant. meristems (UK Tricky Knome, 03.14.2002).
Removal of fan leaves will not only slow growth, but it will also hinder the plants ability to rid itself of toxic gases, and also hinder the regulation of the plants temperature via stomata. Changes in the plants chemical metabolism caused by fan leave removal causes the plant to work overtime to rid �toxins� with less leaves, as a result the pant may allocate more growth hormones into growing more leaves to make up for what has been lost(Equator, 03.15.2002). Removing large amounts of fan leaves may also interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. Leaf removal may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic imbalance.
There is a relationship regarding the amount of carbohydrates a leaf produces and CO2 intake relative to outside forces. When you have a situation whereby the leaf is no longer productive for the plant for whatever reason that may be - low light, old age, disease, insect attack etc, the plant will discard it. (Thunderbunny as citied, by Nietzsche, 03.13.2002.
Plants have two different kinds of vessels in their stems to move stuff around, xylem and phloem. Xylem runs from the roots up the stem carrying water and nutrients. Phloem runs both up and down to move sugars hormones, proteins, etc but mostly sugars. Each part of the plant can be either a sugar source or a sugar sink (Shipperke, 03.15.2002). Phloem moves from sources (areas of supply) to sinks (areas of metabolism or storage). Granted that the flowers can produce some photosynthate, but they are no where near as effective as fan leaves (resin glands significantly reduce light to the tissue they are found on). Flowers are sink tissues, leaves are source tissues. Sinks do not produce enough photosynthate, and are importers. Sources give photosynthate to sinks in closest proximity. Upper leaves bring sucrose to shoot apical meristem and young leaves while lower leaves bring goodies to roots (UK Tricky Knome, 03.17.2002). Remove the source and the sink will be affected (Diels Alder, 03.15.2002).
The leaves at the top of a plant tend to supply the top growing shoots. The leaves at the bottom of the plant tend to supply the roots. The middle leaves can go either way as the demand changes. During flowering and fruiting, only the very bottom leaves supply the roots and the rest of the leaves try to get as much energy as possible to the flowers of fruits.
Fan leaves store mobile nutrients, these stored nutrients are essential in the later stages of flowering. When flushing a plant the fan leaves will lose their color quickly. This is because the nutrients are being mobilized to the atypical meristem (grow tip, bud site). Draining your fan leaves with a flushing period will increase floral development (Ca, 13.03.2002). Fan leaves therefore serve as a nutrient deficiency buffer zone for the plant (Higstar, 03.13.2002).
One thing to remember is every time you cut into any part of a plant, you are exposing the inside of the plant to fungus and bacteria (Leaf, 03.13.2002).
Tuck instead of trimming Another method is to tuck your fans leaves under to expose the buds, don't forget that even though they wont be getting as much light they are still photosynthesizing and more importantly exchanging gases storing nutrients, and building sugars which the bud then converts into THC and other cannibinoids (Ca, 13.03.2002)
peace
the leaves are your plants solar panel so to speak and also your plants sugar factory so who in thier right mind would want to remove them ? would you remove 2 spark plug wires from your car and expect it to perform better ?
when you remove leaves the plant grows new ones trying to replace the lost ones , well that takes energy , energy that would be better spent on other areas of growth
cutting leaves will result in release of stress hormones. Most people who argue fervently otherwise think they know what they're talking about, they don't. All your leaves should be absorbing light. Even the leaves below collect light
if you prune during flowering then you will get leafy bud as the plant tries to replace the removed leaves
people keep saying do side by side or id like to see a side by side , well if you have grown long enough you will have already done it , its been DONE TO DEATH , and yes ive done it , i get better fuller , denser , bigger , heavier buds WHEN I DONT PRUNE LEAVES
ive harvested plants with huge fan leaves and the lower buds were all the same size and weight (some were covered by a leaf and some were not)
ive surounded plants with light from top to bottom and the lower buds REMAIN SMALL , they are small because the plants send thier shit to the high spots , proof of that is on every branch , the top/end bud is always biggest , even when any below it are recieving un-shaded light
im about to harvest plants grown with lights hung vert , the top buds are biggest even though the lower ones are exactly the same distance from the light
simply put , it isnt leaves causeing any slower/smaller growth , its just naturally the way your plants grow
but by all meens , if you want to stress your plants , grow leafy buds , remove your plants solar panels and sugar factories then go for it
each to thier own
peace
Fan leaves account for the greatest area for the reception of photons on a plant, thus they account for the majority of photosynthesis which occurs within a plant. Cells in the plant's leaves, called chloroplasts, contain a green pigment called chlorophyll which interacts with sunlight to split the water in the plant into its basic components. Leaves only absorb about 15% of the solar energy that hits them, the other 85% passes through-- but they reflect all the green light, which means it looks darker below the leaf to a human than it does to the plant because our eyes are most sensitive to the green spectrum (Shipperke, 03.15.2002).
Photosynthesis occurs in all green parts of plants. The process has two stages, the light reactions and the Calvin cycle, that convert water and carbon dioxide into sugar and oxygen. These sugars are later used to power all the processes in the plant, including the synthesis of THC and other cannabinoids (Shipperke, 04.02.2002; Ca, 03.13.2002). Fan leaves possess the greatest number of stomata, which are small pores or valves on the underside of the leaf which water vapor and carbon dioxide diffuse during transpiration and photosynthesis (carbon fixation). Carbon dioxide first enters the leaf through the stomata and combines with the stored energy in the chloroplasts through a chemical reaction (the Calvin cycle) to produce a simple sugar. This sugar is unloaded into the tissues and transported through tubes in the leaf to supply the synthesized food to other plant parts such as growing or respiring tissues like young leaves, roots, and flowers of the plant. meristems (UK Tricky Knome, 03.14.2002).
Removal of fan leaves will not only slow growth, but it will also hinder the plants ability to rid itself of toxic gases, and also hinder the regulation of the plants temperature via stomata. Changes in the plants chemical metabolism caused by fan leave removal causes the plant to work overtime to rid �toxins� with less leaves, as a result the pant may allocate more growth hormones into growing more leaves to make up for what has been lost(Equator, 03.15.2002). Removing large amounts of fan leaves may also interfere with the metabolic balance of the plant. Leaf removal may also cause sex reversal resulting from a metabolic imbalance.
There is a relationship regarding the amount of carbohydrates a leaf produces and CO2 intake relative to outside forces. When you have a situation whereby the leaf is no longer productive for the plant for whatever reason that may be - low light, old age, disease, insect attack etc, the plant will discard it. (Thunderbunny as citied, by Nietzsche, 03.13.2002.
Plants have two different kinds of vessels in their stems to move stuff around, xylem and phloem. Xylem runs from the roots up the stem carrying water and nutrients. Phloem runs both up and down to move sugars hormones, proteins, etc but mostly sugars. Each part of the plant can be either a sugar source or a sugar sink (Shipperke, 03.15.2002). Phloem moves from sources (areas of supply) to sinks (areas of metabolism or storage). Granted that the flowers can produce some photosynthate, but they are no where near as effective as fan leaves (resin glands significantly reduce light to the tissue they are found on). Flowers are sink tissues, leaves are source tissues. Sinks do not produce enough photosynthate, and are importers. Sources give photosynthate to sinks in closest proximity. Upper leaves bring sucrose to shoot apical meristem and young leaves while lower leaves bring goodies to roots (UK Tricky Knome, 03.17.2002). Remove the source and the sink will be affected (Diels Alder, 03.15.2002).
The leaves at the top of a plant tend to supply the top growing shoots. The leaves at the bottom of the plant tend to supply the roots. The middle leaves can go either way as the demand changes. During flowering and fruiting, only the very bottom leaves supply the roots and the rest of the leaves try to get as much energy as possible to the flowers of fruits.
Fan leaves store mobile nutrients, these stored nutrients are essential in the later stages of flowering. When flushing a plant the fan leaves will lose their color quickly. This is because the nutrients are being mobilized to the atypical meristem (grow tip, bud site). Draining your fan leaves with a flushing period will increase floral development (Ca, 13.03.2002). Fan leaves therefore serve as a nutrient deficiency buffer zone for the plant (Higstar, 03.13.2002).
One thing to remember is every time you cut into any part of a plant, you are exposing the inside of the plant to fungus and bacteria (Leaf, 03.13.2002).
Tuck instead of trimming Another method is to tuck your fans leaves under to expose the buds, don't forget that even though they wont be getting as much light they are still photosynthesizing and more importantly exchanging gases storing nutrients, and building sugars which the bud then converts into THC and other cannibinoids (Ca, 13.03.2002)
peace
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bud head
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hope you guys can take my sence of humor, here what I been seeing
The don't trim crowd - lots of words as to why not
The trim crowd - lots of buds
*my buds are never leafy, mostly solid nuggets and I've own both strains ..... I use a combo LST anf trimming.... the only way you'll ever really know is 'Give it a try' then pick a side
The don't trim crowd - lots of words as to why not
The trim crowd - lots of buds
*my buds are never leafy, mostly solid nuggets and I've own both strains ..... I use a combo LST anf trimming.... the only way you'll ever really know is 'Give it a try' then pick a side
I have to say this thread intrigues me alot, Bob, using the info that you provided, can scrog be explained? i know that there is alot of misinformation that floats around in the canna world, due to its underground nature, but i love getting science like you dripped on us!!!!
Equally I am intrigued by this post, theres always going to be a difference of opinion no matter what the topic is..Lets not create any stressful vibes! The thing is, both people have had great success with and without trimming, I think personal opinion is 90% of the argument here so let's sit back and be open minded to both sides - neither is the wrong choice here - it's just what works for you and makes you feel content. 
Equally I am intrigued by this post, theres always going to be a difference of opinion no matter what the topic is..Lets not create any stressful vibes! The thing is, both people have had great success with and without trimming, I think personal opinion is 90% of the argument here so let's sit back and be open minded to both sides - neither is the wrong choice here - it's just what works for you and makes you feel content.
100% agree with you pal23, its about what works and we all striving to find what works best for us, experience is a great teacher, and the experience of the collective is like a university of teachers!!!!
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