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Good call!
The Squid
Spaced-out CephaloMOD
They're are not locked out! They are slightly less available. Which is not bad at all! because there has to be a compromise between what you get here and there from soil. I already said once, and I'll say it again, I don't like that chart. The micro and macro nutrients don't just get locked out from 100% to 0% in a matter of a tenth of a pH variation. There's a curve!! It's simbioses man...
I prefer a chart that takes into consideration the natural ways of life:
By the way, it's dated from 2010.
Very nice!
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sativalover
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trust me my friend i understand and think i have made this clear by now just being generic by using the term locked out as an easy answer common term to describe a more complicated question that one already doesn't understand but..
in truth i would compair it to a dog trying to fit it's head in a rabbit hole yeah it will eventually fit due to the way nature sorts itself out but is it the right animal for the right hole no
at a ph of 10 or 4 the basic elements are there but can they be used??the question i hope is obviously redundant
true a 6.3 is better than a four for hopefully obvious reasons but is it ideal or perfect? no it is the end of acceptable, the end of a rope compaired to the middle... and yes a fluctuation swing is what is needed to properly absorb all elements but this will happen no matter how well you guage and balance ph unless you are using computer controlled ph injection to constantly monitor and mechanically apply a ph change at needed times but most use this in hydro have seen ph probes designed for inside bucket to be computer controlled but not much discussion due to the cost factors
btw if i needed this chart to answer this question i wouldn't have been able to answer alot of other questions for years before i got involved on the net to begin w/.
i do like the second ph range pic alittle better now i have gone back and seen what you are talking about
i would post pics but this lesson was learned for me many years ago when i thought it wasn't a big deal and decorated up a nice tall sativa dom christmas tree and took a pic as santa w/ it well this came back to haunt me later. so .... do what you want
if it takes pics of a plant to take what i say seriously sorry as much as i do care to help others this will be the breaking point in my help
in truth i would compair it to a dog trying to fit it's head in a rabbit hole yeah it will eventually fit due to the way nature sorts itself out but is it the right animal for the right hole no
at a ph of 10 or 4 the basic elements are there but can they be used??the question i hope is obviously redundant
true a 6.3 is better than a four for hopefully obvious reasons but is it ideal or perfect? no it is the end of acceptable, the end of a rope compaired to the middle... and yes a fluctuation swing is what is needed to properly absorb all elements but this will happen no matter how well you guage and balance ph unless you are using computer controlled ph injection to constantly monitor and mechanically apply a ph change at needed times but most use this in hydro have seen ph probes designed for inside bucket to be computer controlled but not much discussion due to the cost factors
btw if i needed this chart to answer this question i wouldn't have been able to answer alot of other questions for years before i got involved on the net to begin w/.
i do like the second ph range pic alittle better now i have gone back and seen what you are talking about
i would post pics but this lesson was learned for me many years ago when i thought it wasn't a big deal and decorated up a nice tall sativa dom christmas tree and took a pic as santa w/ it well this came back to haunt me later. so .... do what you want
if it takes pics of a plant to take what i say seriously sorry as much as i do care to help others this will be the breaking point in my help
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Hugo
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Well, It's your argument. I like to discuss ideas and share arguments as well. Things with me are not rocket science, just science.
Trying to explain that I do not think a pH 6.3 is the cause for that slight Calcium lock-out. Mandy said she never used a specific Cal/mag supplement. The thing with Calcium coming in the same concentrations as N is for some good reason. Because it is needed! Providing Calcium in a regular micro-nutrient fert is just not enough! Unless you made your soil, or added Limestone after.
I'm also saying that I don't agree stating 6.3 is too low. Most nutrients the plants use are soluble only in a limited range of acidity, from about 5.5 to about 6.5 in mineral soil. 6.3 is very good because it allows the 10-fold fluctuations both above and below. I currently have a run-off pH of 6.2/6.3 and I'm pretty happy with it. Again, I say IMO that's perfect!
I don't disagree with saying you never needed this chart to make decisions in getting good grows! But I'm not going to buy a Ford from 1996 either, although it should still run and all!
I'm glad you like the second pH chart. Glad to help out, and since I don't have all the experience that one might think is necessary, I study and then I share with my fellow brothers. There are people that are real master growers man! People that write books and stuff. I like them.
Trying to explain that I do not think a pH 6.3 is the cause for that slight Calcium lock-out. Mandy said she never used a specific Cal/mag supplement. The thing with Calcium coming in the same concentrations as N is for some good reason. Because it is needed! Providing Calcium in a regular micro-nutrient fert is just not enough! Unless you made your soil, or added Limestone after.
I'm also saying that I don't agree stating 6.3 is too low. Most nutrients the plants use are soluble only in a limited range of acidity, from about 5.5 to about 6.5 in mineral soil. 6.3 is very good because it allows the 10-fold fluctuations both above and below. I currently have a run-off pH of 6.2/6.3 and I'm pretty happy with it. Again, I say IMO that's perfect!
I don't disagree with saying you never needed this chart to make decisions in getting good grows! But I'm not going to buy a Ford from 1996 either, although it should still run and all!
I'm glad you like the second pH chart. Glad to help out, and since I don't have all the experience that one might think is necessary, I study and then I share with my fellow brothers. There are people that are real master growers man! People that write books and stuff. I like them.
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sativalover
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well on this subject lets talk Biobizz for a moment it is also well noted from people using this product and reviews that ph below 6.5-6.8 will mess up micro flora if used
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sativalover
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some people gather knowledge from years of research and put it together to profit from their work
not sayin they are wrong for doin it but the knowledge is still out there and just because one hasn't wrote a book doesn't disregard their input into the book
some breed seeds for years and give them for free to anyone that needs them for free are others wrong for selling them NO but that doesn't inturn make the seeds you grow smoke from that came from a "breeder" originally could have come from a "non-published" source
all i would say is anybody w/ some money can print a book lots are outdated and incomplete especially due to the fact we find new info daily and put on the net for free
if people are only looking to books for the answers i would say they will be behind
the things we discuss here i understood 30 years ago
to be clear what book did you find the info on how to use biobizz in?
because from biobizz they reccomend not going lower than 6.5
guess you work there or something?
if you only knew how many products come infront of me to be used for free just to give feedback usually before alot even hit the shelf
see the fact is i don't know what book you found a listing that biobizz can smoothly opperate at this level of ph but the manufacturer lists this as an issue when using micro flora a ph of below 6.5-6.8 will give issues when below this
good thing there is a dif between science and opinion
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Hugo
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Glad you do, I've opened a new thread to discuss this and other subjects if you want. Let's not make a mess out of Mandy's Journal.
https://www.autoflower.org/f16/whats-best-ph-range-9108.html#post171689
EDIT: I also learn from my other masters here at AFN and other forums, they know who they are (or at least I do ahah!)
EDIT 2: pH'd feeding, medium pH and run-off pH are different things... FertiActyl GZ also states clearly on the bottle to mix the solution in water pH'd 6.5 and above.
https://www.autoflower.org/f16/whats-best-ph-range-9108.html#post171689
EDIT: I also learn from my other masters here at AFN and other forums, they know who they are (or at least I do ahah!)
EDIT 2: pH'd feeding, medium pH and run-off pH are different things... FertiActyl GZ also states clearly on the bottle to mix the solution in water pH'd 6.5 and above.
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growbewan
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kicker308
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Add the climate of like 35% humidity 65f out and don't forget 12,500 of elevation my man !!! Tight nugs tight nugs.
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mandycheese
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Hey guys.......... First off thanks for all the knowledge that's just been fed into my little brain. 
it is all gud I like different opinions!But not arguments. We r all friends and we all share the same hobby so please all be nice
Sorry I disappeared yesterday but I'm bk now. So....
The water I use comes from the mountains and hills behind my house it is lovely its initial ph is 6.8-6.9 it only drops to 6.3 with the biobizz. I dnt use the micro flora... I have biobizz grow and biobizz bloom.
Wood ash.....hhmmm interesting I am currently burning fallen birch trees on my open fire, wud this be a gud ash to use? I have heard about this b4 but I did forget.
I've locked the cat downstairs today, opened the door on the grow space and the fan is on, its just gone 9.40 and the temp is 24.5 so its gonna get hot today.
Thank you to everyone! I appreciate ur help advise as much as ever. Hope u all stick around to see the grand finale if we get there.
it is all gud I like different opinions!But not arguments. We r all friends and we all share the same hobby so please all be nice Sorry I disappeared yesterday but I'm bk now. So....
The water I use comes from the mountains and hills behind my house it is lovely its initial ph is 6.8-6.9 it only drops to 6.3 with the biobizz. I dnt use the micro flora... I have biobizz grow and biobizz bloom.
Wood ash.....hhmmm interesting I am currently burning fallen birch trees on my open fire, wud this be a gud ash to use? I have heard about this b4 but I did forget.
I've locked the cat downstairs today, opened the door on the grow space and the fan is on, its just gone 9.40 and the temp is 24.5 so its gonna get hot today.
Thank you to everyone! I appreciate ur help advise as much as ever. Hope u all stick around to see the grand finale if we get there.
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