The new Ducatis are crazy. The Harley electronics were behind the times like Ford was with GM in early fuel injection. The engines in both bikes were internally totally stock. Very robust!Always wanted to do a turbo bike, it's on the bucket list. That and the salt flats. Honestly I'd probably throw it on a Ducati. My 1100 evo was still the best bike I've ever owned. Put a big fat smile on my face every time I rode it. I've always loved jap bikes but man do the Italians know how to make em. I agree on Harley stuff is just so behind on the times when it was compared to other brands.
I do think Ford surpassed them with the first Coyote engine...as far as engine management. ALL of them are just plain STUPID for all the auxiliary systems. MOST of the Nanny State 'Let's Pull Something Outta Our Ass' mandated shit and the silly crap the auto manufactures think we all want, just makes for a stupid expensive vehicle.......................NEEDLESSLY in my opinion.
I think if someone came out with a truck or car with a solid simple drivetrain and reasonably bare-bones vehicle at a reasonable price, they wouldn't be able to keep them on the lot!