Lighting Recipes & Usage

[Growtogrow]

Rapid led that and digikey and cutter are the place I get leds and parts. That how I had mine not 100% pointing up but just enuff of a kick in toward the plant so I wasn't loosing half my light lol. I'm definitely interested in uvb but t5 is a no go if I could wire in to existing that would be ideal.

Off-the-shelf reptile lighting high uvb

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Rapid led that and digikey and cutter are the place I get leds and parts. That how I had mine not 100% pointing up but just enuff of a kick in toward the plant so I wasn't loosing half my light lol. I'm definitely interested in uvb but t5 is a no go if I could wire in to existing that would be ideal.

Rapid's exotic and Emerson boards are pretty nice, I see they offer UVA boards as well but still no UVB. The cost is up there compared to HLG's far/deep red strips. Still researching proper spectrums for intra canopy lighting. A lot less research around that I initially imagined.

 

[Growtogrow]

Rapid's exotic and Emerson boards are pretty nice, I see they offer UVA boards as well but still no UVB. The cost is up there compared to HLG's far/deep red strips. Still researching proper spectrums for intra canopy lighting. A lot less research around that I initially imagined.

No there's not a lot of research on lighting for the inter crop lighting.
I found a lot of far red technology high end LED chips in the hair care Arena. There's many manufacturers out there creating far red and infrared technology to help grow human hair. Still expensive. But the Technologies there and it can be adapted to growing.

So if you can't find the research on intra lighting???

Then you're in the same boat I am.

I had to create my own tests and do my own research with my own lights with my plants. Inside and outside. It's alot to do when you grow a loan and organically. Organically takes much more time than with chemicals. I can speed up my research a lot if I do chemically. But I Just can't get myself to do that though.

But as I said earlier... cool white light is the way to go intra as far as I can tell....
I haven't experimented yet with the far red leds inter but I have with deep blue. But not with LEDs. Reptile lights are kind of expensive. And they're not very efficient. The old T8 tubes and t5 But the new blue UVB/A chips are very expensive but show better results.
Hopefully here within the next few months to a year they may come down to where they're more affordable. As the industry picks up and starts producing more of them the technology becomes more affordable. For the deep blue and far red.

If you want to know the truth you have to seek it out.
Perform your own experiments on your own plants and publish the results so we can all read it.

Something like my 315cmh 40k with high quality far red led chips

Good luck ..
Happy growing

 

[Fitzy]

Cutter has uva uvb strips all kinds of custom options.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

No there's not a lot of research on lighting for the inter crop lighting.
I found a lot of far red technology high end LED chips in the hair care Arena. There's many manufacturers out there creating far red and infrared technology to help grow human hair. Still expensive. But the Technologies there and it can be adapted to growing.

So if you can't find the research on intra lighting???

Then you're in the same boat I am.

I had to create my own tests and do my own research with my own lights with my plants. Inside and outside. It's alot to do when you grow a loan and organically. Organically takes much more time than with chemicals. I can speed up my research a lot if I do chemically. But I Just can't get myself to do that though.

But as I said earlier... cool white light is the way to go intra as far as I can tell....
I haven't experimented yet with the far red leds inter but I have with deep blue. But not with LEDs. Reptile lights are kind of expensive. And they're not very efficient. The old T8 tubes and t5 But the new blue UVB/A chips are very expensive but show better results.
Hopefully here within the next few months to a year they may come down to where they're more affordable. As the industry picks up and starts producing more of them the technology becomes more affordable. For the deep blue and far red.

If you want to know the truth you have to seek it out.
Perform your own experiments on your own plants and publish the results so we can all read it.

Something like my 315cmh 40k with high quality far red led chips

Good luck ..
Happy growing

The reds are much more efficient and cheaper to produce from what i understand.

There is a manufacturer in AU testing intra canopy lighting and working on cost effective UV diodes. Unfortunately it seems like outside of reds, everything else is still inefficient to some degree.

I'm working on some custom grow cabs so that I can begin testing. Just expensive for all the bells and whistles I *require* to do enough testing. Already designed my next set of fixtures to alter spectrum from 2700-5000k at 90CRI but I'm still waiting on some price drops for UV. As interested as I am in lighting, it's more about crop steering and manipulating growth without actually touching the plant, irrigation frequency, internodal distances, etc. Grab an Apogee meter too.

I asked the manufacturer I mentioned earlier about intra canopy lighting and possibly building them with strips. His reply is in the screenshots.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Cutter has uva uvb strips all kinds of custom options.

CutterAU wants all my money lol. Super interested in their Boundary Rider multi spectrum strips but I can't foot that bill when Bridgelux already does so well. I'm on the fence about where I will source the UV from though.

 

[Growtogrow]

The reds are much more efficient and cheaper to produce from what i understand.

There is a manufacturer in AU testing intra canopy lighting and working on cost effective UV diodes. Unfortunately it seems like outside of reds, everything else is still inefficient to some degree.

I'm working on some custom grow cabs so that I can begin testing. Just expensive for all the bells and whistles I *require* to do enough testing. Already designed my next set of fixtures to alter spectrum from 2700-5000k at 90CRI but I'm still waiting on some price drops for UV. As interested as I am in lighting, it's more about crop steering and manipulating growth without actually touching the plant, irrigation frequency, internodal distances, etc. Grab an Apogee meter too.

I asked the manufacturer I mentioned earlier about intra canopy lighting and possibly building them with strips. His reply is in the screenshots.

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Now that's really great information absolutely awesome.

I was thinking the same thing...personally. I still lean towards the blue underneath the the canopy. Deep hard UV blue A and B because of its outstanding ability to kill powdery mildew.

That is a freaking Nemesis in my world here...as it's all around me in my neighborhood and I can't get away from it and that's primary reason why I don't grow inside in the summer time because. I damn near have to have a clean room like you would to go into NASA.. A clean room complete with Tyvek suit spray off booth and all that stuff. because every year I tried to grow inside in the summer time I've brought in mildew powdery mildew I brought in bugs on my clothing and hair?? so I go to the extreme of changing everything showering before I go into my grow and I still got the shit in there.. so this last winter I painted my whole entire basement from top to bottom and wall to wall with Ziegler moldicide paint at $180 for 5 gallons and I had to have 10 gallons to do my whole basement as my floorboards and ceiling floor joists sucked up the paint like they were sponge's And it was 2 in 1 paint.
Also built a new sealed grow room with 3M virus and bacteria filter viewing windows so I don't even have to go in and cameras so I can see the other side of it better without having to go in. automated watering automated heat and air conditioning the only thing I need now for it is an autopilot brain box hooked up to the Wi-Fi so I can control it from afar. I also built my own light mover and my own lights. Where I use all 315 CMH lights up to six of them and presently upgrading all that with high quality chip far-red technology LED bars and the next step is to get the UV reptile lights put down low along with some cool white light strips to go around the bottom of the grow as well...the same kind that they use to grow micro greens and tomatoes just enough to get a little more light underneath the canopy.
As again I explain to you guys I don't care about anything underneath and I'm not a guy that doesn't want to touch my plants. Cuz I only need to touch them about once every 3 weeks realistically. To do trimming and finalize for Harvest....

I agree with your lighting man the Fire Red technology maybe not being so necessary in the flowering stage but for the stretch absolutely 100% on with him on that.
As far as I'm concerned the book is still not written on the far red technology and the flower stage of the cannabis goes...there's still a lot to be known yet.....
I haven't done it myself throughout flower and I haven't read anything about where Bugbee has done anything with that either in flower. But I'm sure he has and it just hasn't been published yet or I haven't found it because cuz they got too many tests going on. And I'm sure he's talking about...when it comes to far-red technology and vegetative state.. I'm sure there's more to it and I just either haven't found it or he hasn't published yet....

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Now that's really great information absolutely awesome.

I was thinking the same thing...personally. I still lean towards the blue underneath the the canopy. Deep hard UV blue A and B because of its outstanding ability to kill powdery mildew.

That is a freaking Nemesis in my world here...as it's all around me in my neighborhood and I can't get away from it and that's primary reason why I don't grow inside in the summer time because. I damn near have to have a clean room like you would to go into NASA.. A clean room complete with Tyvek suit spray off booth and all that stuff. because every year I tried to grow inside in the summer time I've brought in mildew powdery mildew I brought in bugs on my clothing and hair?? so I go to the extreme of changing everything showering before I go into my grow and I still got the shit in there.. so this last winter I painted my whole entire basement from top to bottom and wall to wall with Ziegler moldicide paint at $180 for 5 gallons and I had to have 10 gallons to do my whole basement as my floorboards and ceiling floor joists sucked up the paint like they were sponge's And it was 2 in 1 paint.
Also built a new sealed grow room with 3M virus and bacteria filter viewing windows so I don't even have to go in and cameras so I can see the other side of it better without having to go in. automated watering automated heat and air conditioning the only thing I need now for it is an autopilot brain box hooked up to the Wi-Fi so I can control it from afar. I also built my own light mover and my own lights. Where I use all 315 CMH lights up to six of them and presently upgrading all that with high quality chip far-red technology LED bars and the next step is to get the UV reptile lights put down low along with some cool white light strips to go around the bottom of the grow as well...the same kind that they use to grow micro greens and tomatoes just enough to get a little more light underneath the canopy.
As again I explain to you guys I don't care about anything underneath and I'm not a guy that doesn't want to touch my plants. Cuz I only need to touch them about once every 3 weeks realistically. To do trimming and finalize for Harvest....

I agree with your lighting man the Fire Red technology maybe not being so necessary in the flowering stage but for the stretch absolutely 100% on with him on that.
As far as I'm concerned the book is still not written on the far red technology and the flower stage of the cannabis goes...there's still a lot to be known yet.....
I haven't done it myself throughout flower and I haven't read anything about where Bugbee has done anything with that either in flower. But I'm sure he has and it just hasn't been published yet or I haven't found it because cuz they got too many tests going on. And I'm sure he's talking about...when it comes to far-red technology and vegetative state.. I'm sure there's more to it and I just either haven't found it or he hasn't published yet....

Holy hell man! All you said were the exact concerns I've had with dealing with my outdoor garden and part of why I had think deeply on my multi cab build. I want to have completely sealed environments where intake air is pre filtered through HEPA filter and the only time I open them is for transplant or to harvest. Security cameras and all lol.

If the Buddies turn out I would totally use them for intra canopy but I don't know how useful they will be when I'm doing SOG. I don't have the patience or care to constantly train or put nets up, I just want clean, high quality bud that I can manage with an automated system. I'd love a dosing system but what I'm growing in now doesn't need that much control, Arduino sounds nice but a modular system with a warranty sounds better.

I'm going to try the far red but I'm more interested in the 720nm end of day treatments to possibly add an extra hour of light. I believe there is a beginning of day treatment with 660nm flashing for 5 minutes before lights on. I did notice that 3000k compared to 6500k during cloning makes rooting take a lot longer though so I totally believe spectrum makes a difference. There is a lot nutritionally that can be done to manage the stretch so I believe there is a lot that can be planned to minimize stretch in conjuction with lighting. Part of why I plan to make my own nutrient formulas for each phase.

Hopefully the research progresses but I think a lot is going to be left up to home growers to independently research. I I want to research defoliation a lot more in regards to cannabis rather than relying on others especially since I have the clones and space to do so.

 

[Growtogrow]

Holy hell man! All you said were the exact concerns I've had with dealing with my outdoor garden and part of why I had think deeply on my multi cab build. I want to have completely sealed environments where intake air is pre filtered through HEPA filter and the only time I open them is for transplant or to harvest. Security cameras and all lol.

If the Buddies turn out I would totally use them for intra canopy but I don't know how useful they will be when I'm doing SOG. I don't have the patience or care to constantly train or put nets up, I just want clean, high quality bud that I can manage with an automated system. I'd love a dosing system but what I'm growing in now doesn't need that much control, Arduino sounds nice but a modular system with a warranty sounds better.

I'm going to try the far red but I'm more interested in the 720nm end of day treatments to possibly add an extra hour of light. I believe there is a beginning of day treatment with 660nm flashing for 5 minutes before lights on. I did notice that 3000k compared to 6500k during cloning makes rooting take a lot longer though so I totally believe spectrum makes a difference. There is a lot nutritionally that can be done to manage the stretch so I believe there is a lot that can be planned to minimize stretch in conjuction with lighting. Part of why I plan to make my own nutrient formulas for each phase.

Hopefully the research progresses but I think a lot is going to be left up to home growers to independently research. I I want to research defoliation a lot more in regards to cannabis rather than relying on others especially since I have the clones and space to do so.

I detoliate each plant many times and super crop. Some time top. But super cropping is better. Because the plant response to it by giving more bud sites and some strains produce more trikes.
Also more trike production up 15% more when using clone to flower than the doner seed mother. Clone to clone no notable increase in production per study Cambridge University 1998/99.
Same study no lose of genetics over cloning thousand clones. The genetices same and potency was the same. the same at the beginning as it was at the end of the study from clone to clone to clone to Infinity. The only notable difference that was concluded was growing Styles or conditions would change the outcome of potency in that study.
I always make clones of each seed that I buy. And when clones take to root I'll run the seed mother to flowering. So then if we like the seed mother we're really going to love the clone.

Making your own nutrition that's ambitious. That would definitely would be a lot of work an research... but it can be done people and companies do it all the time.... But more than I want to chew on...
I would like to try (if I was a chemical grower) Is that Humboldt Gold Series....

 

[Death The Cultivator]

I detoliate each plant many times and super crop. Some time top. But super cropping is better. Because the plant response to it by giving more bud sites and some strains produce more trikes.
Also more trike production up 15% more when using clone to flower than the doner seed mother. Clone to clone no notable increase in production per study Cambridge University 1998/99.
Same study no lose of genetics over cloning thousand clones. The genetices same and potency was the same. the same at the beginning as it was at the end of the study from clone to clone to clone to Infinity. The only notable difference that was concluded was growing Styles or conditions would change the outcome of potency in that study.
I always make clones of each seed that I buy. And when clones take to root I'll run the seed mother to flowering. So then if we like the seed mother we're really going to love the clone.

Making your own nutrition that's ambitious. That would definitely would be a lot of work an research... but it can be done people and companies do it all the time.... But more than I want to chew on...
I would like to try (if I was a chemical grower) Is that Humboldt Gold Series....

I'm just glad you didn't say genetic drift lol. This time around I only took clones of everything to try out and made cloned mothers.

We have a thread around here on how to mix your own nutrients. I don't think it will be incredibly hard just initially time consuming. I still haven't found ideal NPK ratios but I don't know how much it matters entirely as I've seen success with many ratios. Scienceinhydroponics has a calculator and guides to replicating many commercial nutrients or even a basic Hoagland solution.

I'm fond of going organic for outdoor for my outdoor crops cause it makes sense but I'll keep my indoor canna in hydro for the foreseeable future lol.

Have you seen the lighting studies by Chandra?