Dutch Passion Hazy's Auto Night Queen Grow

[HubbaBubba]

Macro of a newly forming flower.

Don't think we didn't notice your hairs on the flower.
The white AND the black one. (was that the milk maid?)
What happens to married guys if their wife finds the wrong hair on the buds?

 

[MediScrogs]

Wow, Hazy, everybody's been smokin' some strange stuff lately making everybody laugh, I guess the stoke fires are burning from the looks of the pics.

Thanks for the additional feedback on those BioBizz nutes, I think I'm heading that way next.
I haven't grown any Dutch Passion autos yet and now their repetoire is expanding...I'm definitely looking into these tout suite.

Thanks again for making the thread very instructional and easy to understand what you are doing, plants look great.

 

[Hazy]

Thanks everyone…ok the weekend might be over but the party goes on. Day 29 …Gotta give @Yozhik his daily fix.

 

[Yozhik]

Thanks @Hazy ... they look freakin' fantastic.

Fast forward a few weeks and you're going to need a machete to get in the tent.

 

[Yozhik]

Was mulling over this amazing technique over the weekend, as I was trying to come up with a simple way to describe it to a friend ...
Then I had an epiphany, of sorts.

@Hazy - what you have here is essentially what growers who use ScrOG are HOPING to achieve, but with more uniformity due to the training and shaping being done at the foundation [i.e. the actual bare bones structure], and not at the canopy level, where the majority of standard ScrOG training seems to be done.

So a structural ScrOG in contradistinction to a canopy ScrOG.
That's just my novice take on it ... for what it's worth ...

 

[Hazy]

Was mulling over this amazing technique over the weekend, as I was trying to come up with a simple way to describe it to a friend ...
Then I had an epiphany, of sorts.

@Hazy - what you have here is essentially what growers who use ScrOG are HOPING to achieve, but with more uniformity due to the training and shaping being done at the foundation [i.e. the actual bare bones structure], and not at the canopy level, where the majority of standard ScrOG training seems to be done.

So a structural ScrOG in contradistinction to a canopy ScrOG.
That's just my novice take on it ... for what it's worth ...

Or even simpler…a very low level ScrOG, of course if you put the screen that low…you would never be able to get under it to do anything.i'm trying to think of another way to set up the rig to push this idea a little further. It think with the right rig 40 tops per plant maybe achievable.

 

[Yozhik]

i'm trying to think of another way to set up the rig to push this idea a little further. It think with the right rig 40 tops per plant maybe achievable.

Been toying with too ... as you do ...

The only 'improvement' I can think of, that MIGHT offer additional options, is using a rebar type wire mesh, instead of parallel canes.
This could give you multiple options in terms of tie down orientation ... i.e instead of being somewhat committed to North/South training options, you could venture out across all compass points, and develop a spiderweb type base structure.

If the rebar/mesh was a large enough gauge, the seedling would have no problems shooting straight through the centrally placed hole, and by the time you wanted to start the tie downs, it would be tall enough and above the top-of-the-pot level rebar/mesh.

When those first few nodes come out with their North. East, West, South leaf formations, no training or stressing required - you just compliment their normal structure, but keep them parallel to the ground at every stage, with multiple ties along the entire branch length.

Even the diagonal later stages would be easily tied down with a spiderweb mesh foundation.

So in simple terms, a lattice foundation instead of parallel foundation.

Does that make sense?

 

[Hazy]

Been toying with too ... as you do ...

The only 'improvement' I can think of, that MIGHT offer additional options, is using a rebar type wire mesh, instead of parallel canes.
This could give you multiple options in terms of tie down orientation ... i.e instead of being somewhat committed to North/South training options, you could venture out across all compass points, and develop a spiderweb type base structure.

If the rebar/mesh was a large enough gauge, the seedling would have no problems shooting straight through the centrally placed hole, and by the time you wanted to start the tie downs, it would be tall enough and above the top-of-the-pot level rebar/mesh.

When those first few nodes come out with their North. East, West, South leaf formations, no training or stressing required - you just compliment their normal structure, but keep them parallel to the ground at every stage, with multiple ties along the entire branch length.

Even the diagonal later stages would be easily tied down with a spiderweb mesh foundation.

So in simple terms, a lattice foundation instead of parallel foundation.

Does that make sense?

Go take a look at Insert Name Here's grows he did that, but he cut a hole out of the centre of the mesh. but he was not as extreme in holding down the branches ..he got fantastic results though. But i get what you're saying, it's basically a ScrOG in reverse instead of keeping things under the screen initially let it through and use the screen to tie on to rather tucking under. I'm going to give it a try and try a few other rigs next run… I like your thinking. I hope you're going to give it a go too.

Edit: Actually if you imagine it, you could possibly get 20 tops per side branch…the down side would be the amount of horizontal space it would take up, in the grow area.

 

[Yozhik]

Go take a look at Insert Name Here's grows he did that, but he cut a hole out of the centre of the mesh. but he was not as extreme in holding down the branches ..he got fantastic results though. But i get what you're saying, it's basically a ScrOG in reverse instead of keeping things under the screen initially let it through and use the screen to tie on to rather tucking under. I'm going to give it a try and try a few other rigs next run… I like your thinking. I hope you're going to give it a go too.

DEFINITELY!!

What I've tried with my virgin grow is a bit embarrassing, but I can still see it has worked ... to a point.
So I'm all about learning through actioning, reviewing, analysing, improving, implementing ...

My poor man's version of a @Hazy BDSM Dungeon has taught me A LOT already.
Can't wait to upgrade my Beta version to the real deal in my second grow!!

EDIT:

Initial image in my head was a modification of this basic structure;

With the centre cut out, the tie down options would be unlimited.
Once the seedling is through above the wire level, it's game on.
Every branch tied down to the screen of every node, allowing every new node site the opportunity to reach for the sky and become a 'top'.

 

[Hazy]

DEFINITELY!!

What I've tried with my virgin grow is a bit embarrassing, but I can still see it has worked ... to a point.
So I'm all about learning through actioning, reviewing, analysing, improving, implementing ...

My poor man's version of a @Hazy BDSM Dungeon has taught me A LOT already.
Can't wait to upgrade my Beta version to the real deal in my second grow!!

EDIT:

Initial image in my head was a modification of this basic structure;

View attachment 505847

With the centre cut out, the tie down options would be unlimited.
Once the seedling is through above the wire level, it's game on.
Every branch tied down to the screen of every node, allowing every new node site the opportunity to reach for the sky and become a 'top'.

Fix this straight on to the pot. 1x1m …

http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/side-support-FRP-rebars-dia-5mm_627971721.html

Just saw the edit…very clever i like the shape of it.