Grim Reefer
DWC & LST
Nice set up dude, this should be fun to watch. Its exciting growing your first autos. Subbed up man.
Grow Mediums Happy's first DWC grow.
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Subbed up happy! This is going to be fun to watch! Good luck bro
Yo DB - Good to have you along man, cheers big ears!
DWCocha I think there is definitely something to this suggestion. Where the airline tubing goes into the bucket, because the airline is clear definitely some light could come in. Secondly there's another small hole beside the air line hole, probably for another air line? Anyway it's a small hole, maybe only 6mm but definitely something. I tried to ductape it but the ducttape came off. In a couple of days the silver insulation will arrive which I'm going to be wrapping around the buckets so I'll be able to block light leaks 100%.
Yea dude it's a nice new setup but definitely not dialled in yet. I'm having problems man. I know I'll get them sorted but definitely a bit not so happy about it
Yo Lewb, glad to have you by. You can watch me fail, then pick myself and succeed
OK gang, I've never had such a BAD start to a grow as this...
A couple of days ago I posted pictures of slime etc growing in the bucket. Today I'm checking and I noticing some brown stuff is (grown) inside the buckets again and a little bit on the air stone. I’ve added the last of my H2O2 to the res so will have to get some more tomorrow.
Going to run a very high concentrate of H2O2 through the system for a few hours with plain RO water, then dump the system and make a new batch of nutrients with H2O2 added.
The humidity is still a bit on the low side and the temps in the buckets raise to quickly from the nice cool solution they have from the chilled reservoir tank up to about 21 degrees F.
I’m waiting on the silver insulation to arrive for my buckets and also for the pond foggers to raise my humidity. The IWS DWC system instructions recommended three times a day to recirculate the system entirely into the reservoir tank and back to the buckets again. However I could play with that a little to see if I can lower the water temps but will do that only if I have too, I’m sure the insulation for the bucket will fix the issue.
Right now a Think Different seedling I germinated and put into coco is three times the size of my sickest Think Different smallest seedling germinated at the same time and put into the RDWC system, even though I'm feeding it directly from the same nutrient tank by hand. So definitely the RDWC system is sick.
I’m strongly considering killing the seedlings and germinating new seeds and flushing the system with H2O2. Getting my bucket insulation sorted so water temps definitely never go above 20c and any light leak from the air line ports and top of the bucket will be covered. Plus get the pond fogger getting the humidity up to 60%. Then never adding Rhizotonic or anything organic into it again and adding H2O2 on a regular basis.
Two weeks with a bad start with Autos is not a good thing. I think I'll go to the shop tomorrow, get the insulation, get more H2O2 and start germinating some seedlings. If the plants in the RDWC right now haven't strongly perked up by the times have germinated and 'broken soil' I'll replace them all with new seedlings. If you think I'm mad let me know, but since I've seen some autos starting to flower at 30 days it seems madness 11 days into the life cycle and they are already so fupped up to keep them alive.
Here's some photos. First photo is one of my more healthy seedlings, Second photo is the sickest one. Then a couple of photos of the sick TD seedling beside the TD in coco both germinated at the same time. Last two photos are the brown stuff that's developed in the past two days despite me cleaning the buckets and airstones with strong H2O2 solution two days ago.
Hello Happy, I know your feelings now, so much work and then troubles.
I can not help you much about you DWC, but one thing is sure, leave your troubles behind and plant new ones after you change setup. As you know, stunted autos would never be yielders and you might get much more with new ones.
Not only that sick plants will not reward you, you will not be able to monitor if you do everything right from now on if you keep sick ones and you will need 4 months to be sure.
If I would start with DWC, I would repeat with neew seeds until everything ok from the beginning. But I think I am not ripe yet for hydro and prefer to watch.
Good Luck!
I can not help you much about you DWC, but one thing is sure, leave your troubles behind and plant new ones after you change setup. As you know, stunted autos would never be yielders and you might get much more with new ones.
Not only that sick plants will not reward you, you will not be able to monitor if you do everything right from now on if you keep sick ones and you will need 4 months to be sure.
If I would start with DWC, I would repeat with neew seeds until everything ok from the beginning. But I think I am not ripe yet for hydro and prefer to watch.
Good Luck!
Woke up this morning and the pH had dropped from about 6.0 as of last night down to 4.7 this morning. I can only think that by adding the stronger dose of H2O2 to the system yesterday it's reacted with whatever the brown bacteria was inside the bucket.
http://i.imgur.com/4ftH7Vq.jpg
and then that reaction has caused the pH to drop so drastically. I've never had anything like this before, even in my aeroponics system which had higher water temperatures and even a little light leakage into the aeroponics tubes. I can only imagine whatever was in the Rhizotonic acted like a catalyst for some little bug to get into the system. The plants are far too small to have effected a pH swing of a 200 litre reservoir tank themselves. So has to be bacteria / H2O2 right?
I've been scratching my head over this and that's the best explanation I can come up with.
From now on I'll be going to the sterile root with RDWC and using H2O2 every day.
Also really interested in using UC ROOTS by CCH2O (current culture hydroponics) http://cch2o.com/n_ucroots.html any feedback on all of that?
http://i.imgur.com/4ftH7Vq.jpg
and then that reaction has caused the pH to drop so drastically. I've never had anything like this before, even in my aeroponics system which had higher water temperatures and even a little light leakage into the aeroponics tubes. I can only imagine whatever was in the Rhizotonic acted like a catalyst for some little bug to get into the system. The plants are far too small to have effected a pH swing of a 200 litre reservoir tank themselves. So has to be bacteria / H2O2 right?
I've been scratching my head over this and that's the best explanation I can come up with.
From now on I'll be going to the sterile root with RDWC and using H2O2 every day.
Also really interested in using UC ROOTS by CCH2O (current culture hydroponics) http://cch2o.com/n_ucroots.html any feedback on all of that?
Grim Reefer
DWC & LST
Yo DB - Good to have you along man, cheers big ears!
DWCocha I think there is definitely something to this suggestion. Where the airline tubing goes into the bucket, because the airline is clear definitely some light could come in. Secondly there's another small hole beside the air line hole, probably for another air line? Anyway it's a small hole, maybe only 6mm but definitely something. I tried to ductape it but the ducttape came off. In a couple of days the silver insulation will arrive which I'm going to be wrapping around the buckets so I'll be able to block light leaks 100%.
Yea dude it's a nice new setup but definitely not dialled in yet. I'm having problems man. I know I'll get them sorted but definitely a bit not so happy about it
Yo Lewb, glad to have you by. You can watch me fail, then pick myself and succeed
OK gang, I've never had such a BAD start to a grow as this...
A couple of days ago I posted pictures of slime etc growing in the bucket. Today I'm checking and I noticing some brown stuff is (grown) inside the buckets again and a little bit on the air stone. I’ve added the last of my H2O2 to the res so will have to get some more tomorrow.
Going to run a very high concentrate of H2O2 through the system for a few hours with plain RO water, then dump the system and make a new batch of nutrients with H2O2 added.
The humidity is still a bit on the low side and the temps in the buckets raise to quickly from the nice cool solution they have from the chilled reservoir tank up to about 21 degrees F.
I’m waiting on the silver insulation to arrive for my buckets and also for the pond foggers to raise my humidity. The IWS DWC system instructions recommended three times a day to recirculate the system entirely into the reservoir tank and back to the buckets again. However I could play with that a little to see if I can lower the water temps but will do that only if I have too, I’m sure the insulation for the bucket will fix the issue.
Right now a Think Different seedling I germinated and put into coco is three times the size of my sickest Think Different smallest seedling germinated at the same time and put into the RDWC system, even though I'm feeding it directly from the same nutrient tank by hand. So definitely the RDWC system is sick.
I’m strongly considering killing the seedlings and germinating new seeds and flushing the system with H2O2. Getting my bucket insulation sorted so water temps definitely never go above 20c and any light leak from the air line ports and top of the bucket will be covered. Plus get the pond fogger getting the humidity up to 60%. Then never adding Rhizotonic or anything organic into it again and adding H2O2 on a regular basis.
Two weeks with a bad start with Autos is not a good thing. I think I'll go to the shop tomorrow, get the insulation, get more H2O2 and start germinating some seedlings. If the plants in the RDWC right now haven't strongly perked up by the times have germinated and 'broken soil' I'll replace them all with new seedlings. If you think I'm mad let me know, but since I've seen some autos starting to flower at 30 days it seems madness 11 days into the life cycle and they are already so fupped up to keep them alive.
Here's some photos. First photo is one of my more healthy seedlings, Second photo is the sickest one. Then a couple of photos of the sick TD seedling beside the TD in coco both germinated at the same time. Last two photos are the brown stuff that's developed in the past two days despite me cleaning the buckets and airstones with strong H2O2 solution two days ago.
Do you need a hand dude? il call across. :Sharing One:
Haha that would be cool Briain, would have been better if you came a few days ago for the Paddies Day Parade in Dublin and of course the marathon drinking sessions with the Irish dancing and trad music.
But here I was just talking to someone in the Hydro store who knows me well enough and he said it could be because I'm using RO water and it has no chlorine in it. That regular tap water has stuff added to it to inhibit the growth of bacteria and the RO water doesn't so its' much easier for bad bacteria to get a grip in it. Just a thought. Sounds legit. Next time RO water with plenty of H2O2, nice and sterile, no bios.
But here I was just talking to someone in the Hydro store who knows me well enough and he said it could be because I'm using RO water and it has no chlorine in it. That regular tap water has stuff added to it to inhibit the growth of bacteria and the RO water doesn't so its' much easier for bad bacteria to get a grip in it. Just a thought. Sounds legit. Next time RO water with plenty of H2O2, nice and sterile, no bios.
Grim Reefer
DWC & LST
Hope you have it sorted now man. Cant wait to see what you can do with this set up once you have it all dialed in.
Yo DB - Good to have you along man, cheers big ears!
DWCocha I think there is definitely something to this suggestion. Where the airline tubing goes into the bucket, because the airline is clear definitely some light could come in. Secondly there's another small hole beside the air line hole, probably for another air line? Anyway it's a small hole, maybe only 6mm but definitely something. I tried to ductape it but the ducttape came off. In a couple of days the silver insulation will arrive which I'm going to be wrapping around the buckets so I'll be able to block light leaks 100%.
Yea dude it's a nice new setup but definitely not dialled in yet. I'm having problems man. I know I'll get them sorted but definitely a bit not so happy about it
Yo Lewb, glad to have you by. You can watch me fail, then pick myself and succeed
OK gang, I've never had such a BAD start to a grow as this...
A couple of days ago I posted pictures of slime etc growing in the bucket. Today I'm checking and I noticing some brown stuff is (grown) inside the buckets again and a little bit on the air stone. I’ve added the last of my H2O2 to the res so will have to get some more tomorrow.
Going to run a very high concentrate of H2O2 through the system for a few hours with plain RO water, then dump the system and make a new batch of nutrients with H2O2 added.
The humidity is still a bit on the low side and the temps in the buckets raise to quickly from the nice cool solution they have from the chilled reservoir tank up to about 21 degrees F.
I’m waiting on the silver insulation to arrive for my buckets and also for the pond foggers to raise my humidity. The IWS DWC system instructions recommended three times a day to recirculate the system entirely into the reservoir tank and back to the buckets again. However I could play with that a little to see if I can lower the water temps but will do that only if I have too, I’m sure the insulation for the bucket will fix the issue.
Right now a Think Different seedling I germinated and put into coco is three times the size of my sickest Think Different smallest seedling germinated at the same time and put into the RDWC system, even though I'm feeding it directly from the same nutrient tank by hand. So definitely the RDWC system is sick.
I’m strongly considering killing the seedlings and germinating new seeds and flushing the system with H2O2. Getting my bucket insulation sorted so water temps definitely never go above 20c and any light leak from the air line ports and top of the bucket will be covered. Plus get the pond fogger getting the humidity up to 60%. Then never adding Rhizotonic or anything organic into it again and adding H2O2 on a regular basis.
Two weeks with a bad start with Autos is not a good thing. I think I'll go to the shop tomorrow, get the insulation, get more H2O2 and start germinating some seedlings. If the plants in the RDWC right now haven't strongly perked up by the times have germinated and 'broken soil' I'll replace them all with new seedlings. If you think I'm mad let me know, but since I've seen some autos starting to flower at 30 days it seems madness 11 days into the life cycle and they are already so fupped up to keep them alive.
Here's some photos. First photo is one of my more healthy seedlings, Second photo is the sickest one. Then a couple of photos of the sick TD seedling beside the TD in coco both germinated at the same time. Last two photos are the brown stuff that's developed in the past two days despite me cleaning the buckets and airstones with strong H2O2 solution two days ago.
Its my understanding, once you've used H2O2 in your system you can't go back to organics as you've killed the entire ecosystem. You'll need to run a maintenance dose of H2O2 on a regular basis and switch to a non organic nutrient product. I'd recommend General Hydroponics, but there are many others that I'm sure would work.
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Hope things pick up for yous Happy ... just read you have a 100L res ?. That will take one big air pump to fully oxygenate that much water bro .Could be a cause of your worries .Less turbulence , movement & oxygen saturation all make it much easier for nastys to take hold :dunno::Sharing One:
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