Mephisto Genetics Froot's Mephisto - Basically Jurassic Park

[NiceOption]

Oh and sorry, this is not much use after the fact, but I'd just go with the Canna Coco Professional every time. Mix with perlite, a dash of Great White and you're away!

But hey, coco's coco right. There's probably not much in it. As others have said though, pebbles may be more of a hinderance than a help in your set up.

 

[Iriee Vibez]

thanks Mizzo much appreciated, you put out very admirable plants in coco mate happy for any input



thanks Cap'n! i tried and somewhat succeeded in growing without some of these bells and whistles, but these will help me become better and more consistent...hopefully!



thanks Iriee brother i'm happy you like the look of her! she's doing me well and for a first go at a new medium i can't complain with her progress...but she presents a challenge in longevity - reckon she'll go a couple more weeks than any i've had before so wish me luck
you'd go bananas for the smell of this one, no creativity needed in descriptions here she's straight up pink bubblegum and not shy about it either!



thanks man i think i agree with you, she's a pretty gal, now she just has to plump up for a couple of weeks. i doubt she will beat Ripley's on production (just shy of 5 ) but she's shaping up to beat the quality hands down. made a big difference having the space for her to stretch out and not being constricted to a cupboard. i was growing plants too big for that space.

did you just do the single point calibration to get going or the full 3 point cal?

4AM arrived today bro
won't mess about, getting 'er wet later



i've been buying too many new toys my friend!
yes you're lucky with that water mate, honestly i knew i was in a "hard water" area but didn't think it was this hard!
switched to MegaCrop as soon as it arrived yeh, now i'm thinking most of my problems may have been caused by my poor water rather than the AN lineup i was using but time will tell. i'll come back and use up older nutrients as comparisons later down the line thanks for looking in bro



hey man really appreciate the time to reply, any tips/advice/input will be put to good use here.

HBSS is doing me proud, this girl didn't get a perfect start, was my first solo cup, clumsy transplant into coco, and a few other errors, maybe added a bit of time on to the grow but she's made me realise you can still get a good sized plant even if you make a mistake or two in the first couple of weeks. still feeling out watering schedules etc and this coco i use is a little different to regular coco in that it's premixed with clay pebbles, 60/40 ratio from Gold Label in Holland, which seems to make over watering an established plant rather difficult, very flood to drain friendly.

so far it's more enjoyable than soil to grow in, for me. consistency so much better.

i have read the same thing from Seabass, fantastic grower and he claims huge improvement moving to RO water and it's always been in the back of my mind but i thought my water was okay and it was an overkill investment to get a RO system...
not the brand RO Buddy but it was a post on here i think from @Dr.Bubbles that brought my attention to these smaller, cheaper units available from a popular market place - i bought the cheapest one and it arrives today, hopefully it performs! i will pick up a spare set of filters for sure, appreciate the tip on the membrane. will look at a float valve, i'm sure manually filling will become tiresome quickly!

watching you and slow working with smaller pots has me looking at downsizing mine to save on space and wasted medium. i have 2 gal fabric pots lined up, might choose to transplant the Double Grape to that instead of the 3 gal air pot i had planned on...



thanks slow
this is what i'm using right now;

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premixed and presumably designed with flood to drain style growing in mind. as i mentioned above, i like the results yourself and lunarman are getting in smaller sized pots - my HBSS is in around 10L of this and in more experienced hands would have been much bigger. i don't know how this coco would perform in smaller pots, i have some 2 gal fabric pots i will try in the near future and experiment. I selected this medium following some very impressive results with autos here using it but i wonder how much it differs to more conventional coco.
hopefully the RO water will make a difference and improve things, been a lot of changes to my set up recently switching from cupboard growing to a tent, switching lightmix soil to coco based mediums, transplants, switching from AN line up to Greenleaf, and now tap water to RO, lots going on in the quest for quality meds for my missus and the best damn smoke i've ever tasted





when i first started growing, i thought a RO system was way out of my depth, but then i found the smaller units with fish tanks in mind and it all becomes much more reasonable. £40 delivered with plenty of decent reviews - but i'll let you know what i think as it arrives today. i would think a Brita costs not far off that, plus replacement filters, plus my water is not great at all - i'm convinced i'll see an improvement, if only for the ability to feed the girls more - 0.7 EC is a lot for just water to take up, and judging by the PPM of my runoff atm all that salt is causing me bother and i'm seeing some lockout signs on the HBSS lowers. i think my soil grows deteriorated toward the end of grows because of salt build ups due to the water. i need to make up some batched of AN nutes i was using as i'm interested to see what i've been dumping in to the pots all this time - gonna wager it's much higher PPM than i would have thought.

i think RO water mixed with new Greenleaf Nutrients is gonna be a great upgrade. thanks dude appreciate you looking out for me.



thanks bro! i don't blame the cut back, easier to do once you already have some jars filled! the HBSS really has benefited from all the extra space since upgrading to the tent. you'll like this stuff i reckon, loud bubblegum sweetness!

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as for understanding the plants better, each grow and each plant you will pick up more and more knowledge, especially when you are striving for the very best quality achievable. my first grow results were okay...next was better, third was good - HBSS will be the fourth cycle completed and i hope the best!



thanks bro! she had a slow start so i expect a longer finish for this one - a couple of extra weeks makes little difference to me whilst i still have full jars so we will wait until she is ready! hopefully she retains her good looks over the next few weeks! glad to hear you're enjoying the smoke...the smell is surprisingly loud, i expected her to be more reserved but happy to report she is a stinker!



cheers Gringo welcome to my grows bro, appreciate you stopping by and taking time to say hi
still much to learn here, only 6 months or so under my belt, trying to improve and improve so i can do a good job with these excellent genetics. i hope i can finish this HBSS well thank you!




thanks so much everyone for the support and encouragement

Damn, Froot! That sounds delicious! Cheers bro!


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[Vicent Van Grow]

Oh and sorry, this is not much use after the fact, but I'd just go with the Canna Coco Professional every time. Mix with perlite, a dash of Great White and you're away!

But hey, coco's coco right. There's probably not much in it. As others have said though, pebbles may be more of a hinderance than a help in your set up.

No I couldn't disagree more mate , coco is not just coco, I can attest to this after trying all and every brand including plain coco and then mixing pebbles , verm, perl, soil additives ect ect ect over atleast 15 years.
What I cannot say conclusively is what is overall better for each of our methods but I can say without a doubt is what works better with my method as I like I say I have tested an continue to test different mediums and mixes regularly. This time I have gone with a 60/40 eco thrive mix as last time I was at the shop they gave me some eco thrive which I mixed with the gold label which produced some rock solid root masses which I had to literally smash to pieces to get rid of.

I find coco that is less fibrous and more powdery should we say to be less effective, I have also found clay pebbles beat verm and perl in terms of plant growth, I also have found that bigger clay pebbles are much better than smaller clay pebbles.

The reason I believe in clay pebbles is this, they give me 25% bigger yields whether this is because of the extra aeration or something else I don't know, same with fibrous coco, I see clear improvements when using this compared to the much more powdery loose stuff. Like I say I have all 13 girls at the moment in the eco thrive 60/40 rather than my usual gold label so I will let everyone know my thoughts on it.
The main point to think about when using hand watered mediums in my opinion is aeration, getting the right air/nutrient ratio I think is just as important as anything else

P.s I forgot to add that the eco thrive to my disappointment has smaller clay pebbles and more powdery coco and I am doing 6 of the sour livers which I am well versed with now so the proof should be in the pudding so to speak haha

 

[NiceOption]

No I couldn't disagree more mate , coco is not just coco, I can attest to this after trying all and every brand including plain coco and then mixing pebbles , verm, perl, soil additives ect ect ect over atleast 15 years.
What I cannot say conclusively is what is overall better for each of our methods but I can say without a doubt is what works better with my method as I like I say I have tested an continue to test different mediums and mixes regularly. This time I have gone with a 60/40 eco thrive mix as last time I was at the shop they gave me some eco thrive which I mixed with the gold label which produced some rock solid root masses which I had to literally smash to pieces to get rid of.

I find coco that is less fibrous and more powdery should we say to be less effective, I have also found clay pebbles beat verm and perl in terms of plant growth, I also have found that bigger clay pebbles are much better than smaller clay pebbles.

The reason I believe in clay pebbles is this, they give me 25% bigger yields whether this is because of the extra aeration or something else I don't know, same with fibrous coco, I see clear improvements when using this compared to the much more powdery loose stuff. Like I say I have all 13 girls at the moment in the eco thrive 60/40 rather than my usual gold label so I will let everyone know my thoughts on it.
The main point to think about when using hand watered mediums in my opinion is aeration, getting the right air/nutrient ratio I think is just as important as anything else

P.s I forgot to add that the eco thrive to my disappointment has smaller clay pebbles and more powdery coco and I am doing 6 of the sour livers which I am well versed with now so the proof should be in the pudding so to speak haha

Interesting... I've always used a Canna Coco Pro 70% to 30% perlite mix. I might give it a go with clay pebbles instead and do a side by side. I'd always figured that the bigger pebbles would just sort of get in the way. Not much science behind that assumption. Sounds like you've tried a few mixes so I'm taking note...

What size pots are you using? I'd always felt like pebbles were not the best move for smaller pots especially when hand watering as the number of feeds would go up ???

 

[Vicent Van Grow]

Interesting... I've always used a Canna Coco Pro 70% to 30% perlite mix. I might give it a go with clay pebbles instead and do a side by side. I'd always figured that the bigger pebbles would just sort of get in the way. Not much science behind that assumption. Sounds like you've tried a few mixes so I'm taking note...

What size pots are you using? I'd always felt like pebbles were not the best move for smaller pots especially when hand watering as the number of feeds would go up ???

I use 16ltr root puches but I have another 7 Sour crack in 12ltr so we will see how that goes. I would suggest doing a side by side, in my tests clay pebbles always out performed perlite. I think the pebbles keep the medium loose and stop it compacting as much which in turn provides more aeration, I came to this conclusion as bigger pebbles seem to work better than smaller ones but I'm just thinking in laymans terms. I have used nearly everything to be honest, including different variations of hydroponics, DWC, full organic, I have even adapted some of the systems to try and get them to work more to my specifications with varying degrees of success. I really started to think about the nutrient/aeration ratio after running a few hydro tables and seeing just how amazing they could be, I put this down to the roots exposure to the air and so wanted to get the benefits and protections of coco with maximum aeration to try and replicate the effects which after some searching and testing led me to 60/40. The reason I didn't stick with the tables or say a full clay pebbles drip feed kind of system is because I found through experience that if the pump plays up, the electric goes, or for some reason you are not able to refill the res in time then you are very much up shits creek, even when you do save the plants from starvation for me they never seemed to get fully back on their game like many do in coco.

My aim in using clay pebbles is to up the feed rate of the girls, if the girls are taking 3ltrs a day rather than 1.5 ltrs without any negative effects then the aeration/nutrient ratio must in my mind be increased and everything I have seen over the years seems to confirm that, I even have a floor flan blowing over the pots to speed this up during the first half of the cycle. whether the benefits are because of the reasons I have suggested or something completely different I don't really know but what I am not shy in saying is how effective I have found this method compared to other coco mixes.

 

[Froot n Fuel]

update time guys, took some holiday from work last week so i've been busy...erm...relaxing.

anyway i think all is well. Hubbabubbasmelloscope is still going, she was born in January so let's do the math...78 days today!
was thinking of starting flush very soon but remembered seeing @Dabber mention putting them on Sweet Candy only for the last week or so i dumped some in the pot today and will do so until the weekend and then finish with some AN Flawless Finish for a few days. might try a staggered harvest with this girl, lower branches are heavy and whilst it's nice she essentially opened herself up maybe those lowers are bit too...low. that said, minimal popcorn or larf, and that's without pushing the cobs at all this round, kept them pretty high at least 30 inches up and doesn't seem to have impacted development.

much to my surprise this sweet little bubblegum lady might be my stinkiest girl yet. tent is filled with it. buds look to be nice and tight, have a test bud way down low for squeezin' and she feels solid. buds are super frosty and a cheeky rub reveals intense bubblegum-with-attitude terps.

6 weeks or so Samsquanch OG, trained and still growing, think this will be a nice lady.

GWK same age, started flowering really early and didn't take the time to grow so we'll see what we can do with her. on the small side, might have been the slightly clumsy transplant or might just be a smaller but faster girl? i don't mind i'm sure the flowers will be great

Double Grape is 3ish weeks and taking off - this girl just likes stretching, cob is lower to her than usual but she keeps going - looks strong so i will let her just go natural as she has a nice open structure already. trying my old air pot for this one and so far so good. big leaves, thicker stalks, all around she's probably my best start. high hopes!!

and a new arrival!! very generously donated by my bro @NiceOption we have a 4 Assed Monkey in the tent!!!

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[MedCzech]

Nice looking tent. I love the variety. Great job!

The Double Grape will be a treat man. She is again going in the next run for me this fall. All time, top ten favorite smoke for me.

 

[hunter2348]

Samsquanch

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[NiceOption]

update time guys, took some holiday from work last week so i've been busy...erm...relaxing.

anyway i think all is well. Hubbabubbasmelloscope is still going, she was born in January so let's do the math...78 days today!
was thinking of starting flush very soon but remembered seeing @Dabber mention putting them on Sweet Candy only for the last week or so i dumped some in the pot today and will do so until the weekend and then finish with some AN Flawless Finish for a few days. might try a staggered harvest with this girl, lower branches are heavy and whilst it's nice she essentially opened herself up maybe those lowers are bit too...low. that said, minimal popcorn or larf, and that's without pushing the cobs at all this round, kept them pretty high at least 30 inches up and doesn't seem to have impacted development.

much to my surprise this sweet little bubblegum lady might be my stinkiest girl yet. tent is filled with it. buds look to be nice and tight, have a test bud way down low for squeezin' and she feels solid. buds are super frosty and a cheeky rub reveals intense bubblegum-with-attitude terps.

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6 weeks or so Samsquanch OG, trained and still growing, think this will be a nice lady.

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GWK same age, started flowering really early and didn't take the time to grow so we'll see what we can do with her. on the small side, might have been the slightly clumsy transplant or might just be a smaller but faster girl? i don't mind i'm sure the flowers will be great

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Double Grape is 3ish weeks and taking off - this girl just likes stretching, cob is lower to her than usual but she keeps going - looks strong so i will let her just go natural as she has a nice open structure already. trying my old air pot for this one and so far so good. big leaves, thicker stalks, all around she's probably my best start. high hopes!!

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and a new arrival!! very generously donated by my bro @NiceOption we have a 4 Assed Monkey in the tent!!!

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full tent shot

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She popped!

You're gonna enjoy her. Easily my favourite smoke to date and everyone I've gifted some to agrees.

HB looks amazing dude. I think you're best yet, would you agree? Looks packed with trichs too.
I'm gonna order some on 420 along with the haze cross and give it a go next time. Probably with a Samsquanch too.
Waiting for the store to go live again... I've never tried a bubblegum strain and whilst I'm feeling myself going off the super sweet strains a bit now ( i think I've just been smoking too much 4AM and want some kush) I NEED some bubblegum. It was the strain I always wanted to try when I was younger and spent hours staring at the BOG seeds site, rinsing my parents dial up modem connection.

Nostalgic for something I've never experienced!

 

[Froot n Fuel]

Nice looking tent. I love the variety. Great job!

The Double Grape will be a treat man. She is again going in the next run for me this fall. All time, top ten favorite smoke for me.

thanks Med! gotta have variety bro, all about different flavours for me.
Double Grape is my first regrow even my poorly grown DG from my first grow impressed enough to go ahead and try another. still learning lots but hopefully my second attempt will do the strain justice.

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woah that's a stacked cola dude, well done. gonna be some fat buds for sure, feel free to share more of her bro.

She popped!

You're gonna enjoy her. Easily my favourite smoke to date and everyone I've gifted some to agrees.

HB looks amazing dude. I think you're best yet, would you agree? Looks packed with trichs too.
I'm gonna order some on 420 along with the haze cross and give it a go next time. Probably with a Samsquanch too.
Waiting for the store to go live again... I've never tried a bubblegum strain and whilst I'm feeling myself going off the super sweet strains a bit now ( i think I've just been smoking too much 4AM and want some kush) I NEED some bubblegum. It was the strain I always wanted to try when I was younger and spent hours staring at the BOG seeds site, rinsing my parents dial up modem connection.

Nostalgic for something I've never experienced!

she popped indeed! thank you so much for gifting this one mate, hoping she'll come back in stock soon too because from the sounds of it she's gonna be a regular!

HBSS definitely my best plant to date, loving the quality of the flowers so far, they appear to be nice and thick and heavy.
if you're after HBSS specifically, you'll have to order either side of the 4/20 sale as they will be only selling the four new strains for that sale. but the Hubbabubbahaze looks insane and i will definitely have a punt at that strain too.
i tried some bubblegum way back when i was new to toking and it really stood out for me. not come across any since, but this is shaping up to be really rather special.
i'm still chasing something that covers that kush craving too...or at least my idea of kush. still not found it yet, hoping between Strawberry Nuggets and Skywalker i find what i'm after. nasty sour soggy basement, earthy, gassy with wet cement would be my best attempt at describing it. open to any suggestions if there's anything that springs to mind.