any chance white'ty ??......................or you of to vote today !!!.................... try and get em up tonight if you can,........ just to make sure the critical is iether slow of having prelim gender issues ok........... did you get the magnifying glass i mentioned white ??, as you can see the 'Micro Bolox" with it......... before you can see them with the eye = "Micro-Sexing" @100Mag.................................ALR
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any chance white'ty ??......................or you of to vote today !!!.................... try and get em up tonight if you can,........ just to make sure the critical is iether slow of having prelim gender issues ok........... did you get the magnifying glass i mentioned white ??, as you can see the 'Micro Bolox" with it......... before you can see them with the eye = "Micro-Sexing" @100Mag.................................ALR
Bro i will make the photo shoot tonight. Im sleeping dead 5 minutes after i sit my ass on the couch xD
Lights go off at 24:00 midnight and i wanted to make the photos but couldnt move from the couch lockout xD
During the day im working in a touristic place and im very busy now in April the tourist season is ON....Its kind of difficult to read and reply on...Sometimes i start composing a reply in the morning and i finish it by night xD
Tonight definetely im taking the photos ALR!
I dont want to take them out anymore as im afraid this is the reason critical has not bloomed yet...
I have seen some extra stagger on her this morning and some white hair!!
Microscope is been shipped and will arrive hopefully by Friiday!
She is 100% a female...Not even 1 ball on her!
I hope she can deliver...
Last night i tried to lst ultimate 2 and the main stem, where i topped her, open in half xD...
I taped her back together and she was fine in the mornimg check...I felt a piece of my heart cracking at that momment but all ok....Ultimate 2 will not take any lst..
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Yes i know about them. I read about them while i was researching for flat earth...
They claim that the rail gun bullet can find target on 100km distance right?
The guys supporting flat earth say this is impossible on a round earth theory becayse every X klm's there earth is bending....The coriolis effect!
So how do this rail guns shoot straight up to the target 100km away? Simple...The earth is flat...Water level is flat at 0 degrees.....Water cannot bend theory....
ALR look at this map...
All these islands are aircraft carriers...Natural with zero cost of building and maintenance!!
This could be the most airproofed-missile country in the world....
Just look at all those islands and think of what they could be holding....Anti air missiles...Secret aircraft runways...Navy bases etc...
Amazing natural aircraft carriers....
Instead of doing this simple efficient move the politicians have limited the army expenses so much that the country cannot even produce srmy clothes! They import them!
Developing an army industry not only gives a good reputation and security for a country but also helps the economy and their people to live a prosperus life...
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Yeah they test those things right down the road from me at Dahlgren.A Navy Testing facility in VA. Fort AP Hill ,Pax River and Andrews.all do testing but Pax and Dahlgren are the main two. LOL cool stuff.
ALR i just make the photos...Funny thing is that i put alarm 23:55 but by the time i get up and go upstairs it was 24:10 so the cab was with lights off for about 10 minutes...I hope that is not a problem to disturb them like this...But i got some nice photos!!
Ultimate 1 with the good spread from lst
Ultimate 2 she has received defoliation this morning...Maybe i over defoliade her...I hope she makes more leaves...
On her second photo you will see the main stem taped with a black tape...Its because i was trying to lst her last night and while i was pulling the internode she open her main stem in half exactly there where i topped her....She is ok tho xD I hope she forgives me cause i love her...
Amnesia xxl...She is doing absolutely well...Stretching like a b1tch tho...Her colas are 60cm from the bulb...They all get rotation tho every other day..
Critical slowly gets in the bloom phase...ALR its been 40 days....Is she going to finish normal?? She will be 120 days i think...
CRITICAL CLOSE UP PHOTOS TO DETERMINE SEX
AND A GROUP SHOT TT STYLE
10 OCLOCK ITS ULTIMATE 1
2 OCLOCK ITS AMNESIA
4 OCLOCK ITS ULTIMATE 2
8 O CLOCK CRITICAL STRANGE
so you do have your lights going off at middnight, not midday white yea..........
so they come on @6am on all day, untill 12 middnight............ so the lights are on during the day...... the hottest part of the day ??.......
Why did you not go 18hrs from 6pm, light on in the evening, and during the night, when air is cooler ?? and lights go off at midday.............
Qs is there a reason you set it up this way white ???..................... 100% reversal of the normal pattern, with lights on at 6pm and off the following day at midday......... either way, you still have the noise in the room (If It Can Be Heard)............. you have noise all night, up to the off point at middnight................. at the moment
soon you wont be able to lift them in and out of the tent for pics white ok................... but 10mins after lights out for pics should be ok,....................... the latter after lights out the worse the photo interuptus stress level will be caused................
you have taken way to many leaves of the plants white, i did say in the thread above, dont take anymore off........ they create the energy for growth, and as mentioned are a mobile nutrient store, which is retrieved by the plant in late flower............... new large fan leaves will not re grow white ok................ you are slowing the plants growth down removing so many light and energy factories.....
.......... dont remove any additional leaves from now on ok........ i dont remember instructing you to remove any leaves white................ defoliation is a wives tale,................... serves no purpose at all.........................it dose not happen in the wild !! so why would we cause stress to the plant, which can cause gender issues, which can start up at any point during the 100% culture period white ??............
she is the most nute hungry of the 4.......... as she is a lighter green than the other 3............ she is under furtilized with nitrogen................ is why she is a lighter green.................. "one feed for all", will show up any nute greedy plants, when all the rest are bang tidy and the correct green color........................showing no nute burn, but are all a good color, except the greedy one !!.........................
For the "Nitrogen" greedy one, amnesia, you could make up a separate feed for her the amnesia xxl, with an elevated nitrogen content, and feed it for a week..............
your "Micro" has a N 2.0 / P2.4 / K0.1 ratio higher nitrogen in this
your B52 has a N 2.0 / 1.0 / 4.0 ratio higher nitrogen in this
make a feed up using micro & B52 ONLY.................... as it will give an elevated Nitrogen dose white ok = to micro + B52 NPK = "Combined Higher N Feed" = micro + B52 NPK combined = total N 4.0 / P 3.4 / K 4.1
INSTRUCTIONS; Re Low N Amnesia =
White'ty, give the amnesia a feed of this at Ec0.8 (nute only) + 0.3 bottled water = Ec total 1.1, give it to the amnesia for two consecutive feeds, then every other feed, untill she is greened up and in better color ok............... then revert back to the normal feed you will be giving the other 3.............
sadly i do not see an abundance of femal pistills white,.................. in pic 6 of the critical close ups, i think there is a pistill at the back of the internode, but every internode should by now have a "Pair" of pistills either side of the 'Stipule"..................
below is a hermie feamle, that has not showed pistills, but has thrown a male "Pre-Flower" at the bract juntion white ok........ here is where you look.... if female either side of the stipules you will have a white hair = pistill = female sexed.......................
here is what "She" should look like = sexed female pistills.... the little pointed items next to the pistills coming out of the calyxes are the stipules......... see the pistils either side of the stipules........... = female
an easier way of showing it is, this pic, you can see how a calyx can be mistaken for a "Pollen sack" = male bolox white................
I am pretty sure the critical has gone critical male white mate, at day 40, and the other 3 at 12mm flowers and or larger.............................the critical is a "MALE" white mate sorry to say.............. nothing that you have done, could have stressed the plant, all environs stable bang on and good...................... no environ triggers have been given....................... nothing you have done...................... as i said previous, if you keep your nose clean with the environs,.................and you do get a gender issue, you know it is not due to you causing it via un stable environs or any other issues.......................
This is what we wil have to do White ok..............
there is no chance of the critical catching up to the other 3, as their flowers are much further down the line of development................ so we have two options; =
Option 1:
wait and see "When" it throws the male sacks................. The Dinafem Pre TransGender ! critical seems un decided at the mo, showing the odd pistill here and there......... we can wait till she throws a proper sex choice, which will be male, just to be sure............ as she is not sexed female "Or" male at the mo @day/40 !!!!!!!!! then chop it............. as it is not sexed at this late stage what point to keeping the "TransG" on any further,.................or
Option 2:
chop it now, as it has no chance of catching up to the others, and if the females next door get the idea there might be a male around.........= Pheromones............. they might get pre occupied with the possibility.......
chopping it down now, will give more "Spacial" room for the others to fill out into................and give more bud than would have been the case with 4..............
My advice =,
it wont catch up, with the others, even if it do go female................ so no point, as the "TransG" is so late, it has to come out now, is my opinion..................... chop it now before it do throw a large male event,........... pissing off the remaining 3 "Wholly" fully sexed females white.................chop it asap, put it down to what it is, a gene line that has, and dose carry the "Herm" gene.................... that has not been properly isolated via selection........ probably the result of using "Gibberelic Acid" to early.......... in the breeding, and or back crossing with weak herm pollen process...................
up to you white, wait for the bolox to appear = risk if you dont see them, eye's peeled 24/7
................ or chop it now as it wont catch up either way female or male !!..................... she is too late, to synchronize with the others during flower.................live and learn yea........ALR
= MALE But UN-decided, as environ bang on, she male having trouble raising hormones for testicle development, or "It's Just A Freak"........................ or a bit of both !!!!!!!!! no good to us though...........
Personally, i have never seen a late un decided male before !!!!!!!!!!!!! that did not show female first !!! and then failed to show male either properly at day 40 !!...................... that must make it a rare event........... as usually, herms happen just after the 12/12 switch fems, or as the auto flowers just get to 10mm, this is when ethylene rises, and is the bio trigger for an event of gender should the genes be there........ late female and late male is a new one on me................... it has happened plenty of times though so i read......... but it's long odd's for a herm event, even longer odd's of a no show extremely late, late, male or female sexing !!
If you do chop it, and decide not to wait fore the bolox to show, to be sure, it was a herm and not a extremely late famale.................. just move the other 3 into the void !!..................... they will get much better light ingress into the LST'ed canopy's........
Addendum; What conclusions can be drawn from this ????????? what do we take away from this as knowledge ?/
The "Dutch Passion" genetics bred into the 2no Ultimate's, 1 & 2 are 100% right color, early sexed, no nute sensitivities, fastest to recover from the low Ph, have the largest canopy's, and are showing no deff's or other issues, love the nutrients at the correct bliss Ec, and are larger............... compare to, the other two plants.
The other two, one, the amnesia, is nute sensitive, and has smaller flowers at the same age as the ultimate's, although has a nice size paternal frame.................. And two the critical has, well a smaller frame, confused as to sex, and is also N greedy and nute sensitive,................. and is un sexed properly at day 40......... not a great catalogue, it could be a miss packed regular seed !!, did you buy direct from dinafem white ??............................
The moral is;......................... when you spend good dow on beans, buy the reliability, that is delivered though years of high class genetic isolation's................ that have isolated out un wanted genetic factors, consistently, this is the work of many years of pursuit of perfection from Henk van dalen Amsterdam Seed Company, the man discovered feminization, i think he knows how to breed out, and eradicate hermaphroditic tendency's from his base plant gene lines !!...................... buy "Gillette" is the moral of the story.......... get the scissors out and cut down that critical critical not xxl but "00000000000000000" = "0" xxl !!.........and 40 days, and 200ml of feed, 120-150ltrs of water, and grow medium "Wasted" time and dow.................and disappointment rolled into it too....................... ALR
She will go down in 2 hours 
The electricity charges are lower after 23:00 until 06:00. I was trying to get some discount on the use of the heater...
I cut a lot of leaves...Damn! Never again i will mess up with defoliating in my grows. OK ALR...
Cool! I will give her 3 litres daily as she is drying up really fast...I will follow the instructions and we will see on the next photo shoot the progress!
Boss, you are right...This grow says everything. Dutch Passion is top notch in the seed industry!
I chopped the critical!
I moved Ultimate 2 in the center under the light at 70cm distance from the bulb. The plants now are V shaped.
the ulimates will soon fill the void !!!!!!! we had little choicew with the critical critical in the end, she was so far behind, it would have interrupted the next grow,............... it would not surprize me if it wasd a "Regular" seed, that ended up getting mixed in with the auto beans on packing etc................
if they are scoffing more drink, just give em half liter increase, if nothing come out via run off, you know they are upping the drinking game ok................... as we say, twice a week, add the usual amount (No Run Off) then add half liters till you do get run off, from this you can work out the increase in drink needed to just before the run off point = our bliss watering amount white ok.............
the amnesia, after a few doses of elevate nitrogen will green in like the ulitimates.............. that perfect green hue !!..............................= nute bliss point, not to "Dark" a green not to light a green.............. but right in the middle................ and "NO" tip burn........................confirming the bliss point...................... soon we will raise the "Ec" further................... as we move along ok white.....................
you got two 400w duel HPS in at the mo yea white'ty my man ??............
there are a stack of wife's tales re this bio critical path, we are treading white,................... a right mine field, if you aint in the know etc....................... defoliateing is one of them, never mind, we all live and learn,............. removing leaves is like taking your teeth out, eventually you will loose weight !!
AHhhhh, i thought there might be a reason,................... so with fems, on 12/12 your right in the 23 to 6am window........................with auto's lights on at "6Pm" = 18.00hrs, then off the following day at 12 midday, you are still in the 23.00 to 06;00 am window also right ??.............
i advise the next grow (Summer) you should grow fems, as short 18/6 period for veg = 5wks 35 days, then the 12/12 period,....................lights go off at 6am in the morning before the heat gets going, and we can bring in "Cool" night air during 12/12 to keep the tent temp down,.................. as discussed above.......... auto's winter fems summer.................. you say last year you hit 35c....................... !! = fems man................. nice work there @WhiteLight.com, yey........................ good work man................ it is very rare what happened to the critical.......... but with mother nature fickle way's never say never !!................ keep eyes peeled, and allway's inspect the plants, both internodes for herm bolox, and leaves for deffs and tip burn.............
how is the AC unit doing "In" the tent white ???......................RH gone up ? or down ?................ any environ changes shown up ??..........................RIP "Critical" critter
....to the land of canna could have been's !!..... ALR
It would be no surprise if she was a regular...One thing is for sure that she would take a long time to finish...RIP critical
Amnesia is in the 10ltr soil and yesterday she had 3 ltrs and today she had again 3 ltrs with NO RUN O
...At 3.5 ltr to 4 ltr Amnesia has run off 100ml - 200 ml.I follow the schedule but i use Tuesday as Monday so my Run Off tests are on Saturday ok
I have only 1 ballast at the momment and im running 600w dual spectrum....The plan is to order things one at a time until i start the next grow. I will use definetely 2 x 400w dual spectrums in the 12/12 next grow! I wish i knew from the beginning how to setup...We live to learn...Its better late than never..
Ouch!! Sometimes i do these thinkless moves...I really took a lot of leaves from her..A good haircut...She is like going to army now xD Never Again!
I allready started it with this idea and after i let it keep going without thinking to change it....
Is it possible to change the light schedule now?
Can i just make the 12:00 to 18:00 dark period from tomorrow or it aint happening?
how is the AC unit doing "In" the tent white ???......................RH gone up ? or down ?................ any environ changes shown up ??..........................RIP "Critical" critter
What is happening now here is unbelievable....Still raining...thunders...cold days and nights...We are still in the 20-22C during day and 10-12C during night...Unbelievable!!
The cab is working the 26-28C during the day with a 600w not aerated reflector atm...It makes wonders this weather...
No air condition usage yet...
Tomorrow i am day off and i hope to find some time to clean the unit as its full of dust in the filters...
Weather on our side at the momment!!
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