Dutch Passion DP Ultimates first

why pay for bottled water, when you can fill up 6no 20ltr containers from a mountain source............. nice, as long as it dont look suspect,............... crack on,................ post up the local mountain supply "Ec & Ph" @23c, we will see if it's in the range of the bottled water, if it is................... "Go Get The Pure One" !! pumice from ancient lava flows is sulfur based so we will see......... it may be acidic a Ph of 5.5........ between 5.8 & 7.5 we can adjuct it, bliss is 6.0 to 6.8.................... mountain water............ nice, will it flow all year ??.......... and then freeze over ??/

Im not sure about if its vocanic lava rock fountation but im pretty sure that the water is pure bliss....If its under the 0.3 EC then it should be goldmine!! I will try 2-3 different sources of waterfalls i know up there...



Thats exactly what i keep telling @Tony@DutchPassion.............
You got to bring order to the 3 Kingdoms, = Automatic's / Feminized / Regulars !!!!!

So he turns up with 3 new strains for 2019 !!!!!
Mokum’s Tulip®
HiFi 4G®
Meringue ®

https://www.dutch-passion.com/en/cannabis-seeds/feminized/

Desfran and now these magic beans...this Mokum's Tulip its must be a hammer with all this THC...You know what ALR i think you trying to bring me to the dark side xD
@Teetee if you like your smoke heavy have a look up here ^_^


"Soil" = Gold Label !!
"Water" = White's Local Mountain Juice !!
And Green "Air" Genesis nutrients !!

AAAmennnn

Re the aquarium heater, the glass tube type, you can get a piece of wood or something to lay across the bucket, and just tie the cable to the cross member, lowered down to the right height for the water level........... just lift it out of the bucket when your infra red says 23-24c................ the pump in the bottom turning over the water, so the heat dose not "Stratify" at the top of the bucket, cold water "Sinks" to the bottom..(Thermocline)...... the pump mixes hot and cold very well.....................leave pump on while heating the water for the feed.......... ALR

So i will use a wood in + shape and stack it in the middle of my water height and tie the heater on that cross? I suppose i will use metal wire to tie it up?
First i need to have the heater and the pump to get a clear image of what im doing and how to do it.

if it's only one plant, the tallest, she may have been to close to 600wHPS duel spectrum (Nice Bulb!),.......... keep an eye on the other leaf tips white'ty..................... they are all on the same regime, water temps feed all environs.................. one is bound to show out a difference at some point ok................ there is genetic varience at play,................... like the miniture Amnesia for instance....................... have you "Lifted" her up to the same height as the main canopy white'ty yea ???.......

THE PROBLEM IS NOW ON ALL 4 PLANTS
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if you see any issue................... take pics and post em up as soon as you see something, dont wait till the next update,................... that will come on the usual day every 8 day cycle etc...........

I posted it above...I was waiting to photo it with my good camera after work...I hope is not something serious...


it is good the hot air from the cab is going out of the house................ when the temp outside is 10 below, the hot air @24-26-29c................ will form steam !!................ like a pumped hot breath, 24/7............. will that be a prob white'ty at all ????

For the moment we are safe. I checked from outside i really cant see anything.Its dark spot where the air passes out from the door. From the street its not visible due to the balcony length but from the neighboor if they get out on their balcony maybe they can see it...It sure is a problem if its happening...I have to check better...But i think because is a blind dark spot i am covered...unless theres a fullmoon and its cold outside...But then again when its cold nobody goes to their balcony in the night..


During the peak of summer, during the night, when temps drop down, i pump in the colder night air, to cool the room....................... my hot air is pumped out into my loft space, where it dissipates away......... and take the chill of the loft, and melts the ice on the roof, or prevents it forming.......... !! i pull the cold outside summer night air, down through my fire place in the room next door, it then enters my grow room through the entrance door, via a 100mm flange either side..................... it is latent drawn down passively into the grow space from the chimney at the top ............... is why i asked if you had a chimney in the room the cab is in white'ty........... you have already said you do not etc.............

No i dont have...It would be nice to have one and leaving the hot air up and out of the house... Having the air cooled reflector and the outside air from behind my house pulling in the cab i think maybe i will not even need air condition in the summer..The sun hits the front of the house where the air is excausting and from the other side of house i take air where its shadow and air is more cool me thinks....



In room AirCon solves all the issues of thermal seasonal transition........... !!!!!!!!

Its must be really hot at Teetees place...And here it will be too...I cant use the rooms A/C unit because 1st) Its old and noisy on the outside 2nd) It not inverter and the btu is not enough to work economicaly and keep the room in nice temp 3rd) I just cant replace it now as nobody can go upstairs

So portable A/C with a big ducting attached to it and sending in the tent the air...maybe i will need to instal a flange on the tent for this or get another Y piece to connect the intake fan with the a/c and then inside tent....


this is a superb piece of kit..................... the bigger the better the quieter it will be.......... post up the yellow leaf tip soon as you can......................... wanna av a look see white my man........... ALR

The one i ordered is 600mm (60cm). If i need i can add another one right?


White'ty............. did you get what i mean, tre the AN nute calculator, in the experience level drop down box click on expert level yea......................... that level includes the remaining nute pack items in your full width AN nute set you bought................ A to Z of AN nute sets !! ALR

Yeah i found the epxert mode...In the grandmaster level they have more of the nutes i have like sensizym and rhinoskin....
I will use everything i have or just those nutes you wrote me before that are in the expert mode?
 
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THE PROBLEM IS NOW ON ALL 4 PLANTS

photo "1" and "4" (Above) are the lime plants right ?? ultimate pic 1 and Amnesia pic 4 right ?

if you look photo 2 and 3 are hardly showing any tip burn at all white'ty... that's ultimate pic 2 and critical pic 3 right ?

The 3mm yellow tip is showing,................. we are on 0.5, plus water Ec0.3 = total Ec 0.8................there is no way it is nutrient burn as the nute Ec is low......................

i want you to lower the final Ph of the feed solution to 6.8 for now white'ty ok......
just in case the 7.5 is a bit to big an alkaline jump up ok................ from 6.3 you where feeding, and the run off was 6 and 5.9 if i remember.........

white'ty we need to check what is going on with plants 1 and 4's Ph.................. so we need to do a flush to get some run off, flush at "Half Nute Strength"............... and Ph 6.5 ok................... see what the Ph & Ec are doing now since time has elapsed..........

if i remember we had a run off Ec last time of 2.2 ?? & Ph was 5.9 to 6.. from the "Lime" pot correct ?/.......

just flush to 200ml of run off, the pots with the yellow tips ok....(I am Assuming They Are The Lime Pots)

First i need to have the heater and the pump to get a clear image of what im doing and how to do it.

yes suspend the aquarium heater using a piece of timber or anything else that will form a "Bridge" across the bucket top, tie to this at the right depth the heater........... metal wire id fine, string is also ok........ put the pump in the bottom........

set the heater to come on, on a timer, at the same time the pump is turned on, on the same timer........ one hour in 25ltrs........the "Aeration" needs to be going also..... with pump and heater......

with pump and heater on, will heat the water to the temp set on the heater dial = 23c.......... set the timer to come on an hour before you feed the plants, or just after you get in from work ??,........ the pump and heater go off ready for you to make feeds etc............... you get the drift............. time it to your feed time etc....

Qs round up; =

plants 1 & 4 are the lime pots yes ??
pot 2 and 3 are not............ and show little to no yellow tip correct ?
post up pot 1 & 4 run off Ph and Ec............... in brackets (The Last Run Off Results) below the new results for comparison ok...... and also take the soil temps at soil top ok post up also.......

dont worry, they are fine at the mo................. hopefully the new run off results will show an increase in Ph from 5.9................ and the 2.2Ec will have dropped a bit in the lime pots................... we will see i'll be back in here in the morning ok, no probs.......... ALR
 
dont worry, they are fine at the mo................. hopefully the new run off results will show an increase in Ph from 5.9................ and the 2.2Ec will have dropped a bit in the lime pots................... we will see i'll be back in here in the morning ok, no probs.......... ALR

ALR i think we have problem!! :(

19/3/2019

Run off Tests:
12 ltr solution
Soil temps: 21C
Solution temps: 23C
EC 0.4 nute + EC 0.3 bottle water = 0.7 EC (6ml g/m/b, 6ml B52, 6ml Voodoo, 6ml Piranha)
PH'ed to 6.5
Run off sample 200ml each pot

*previous test was plain water ec 0.3 and ph'ed to 6.0 @ 23C

ULTIMATE 1................PH....EC

Previous test............5.9....3.3
NEW test................5.9....6.0
Run off temp @ 19C

ULTIMATE 2.................PH....EC
Previous test.............6.0....4.6
NEW test.................6.0....6.5
Run off temp @ 19C

CRITICAL....................PH....EC
Previous test............6.0....3.2
NEW test................6.0....3.2
Run off temp @ 19C

AMNESIA......................PH....EC
Previous test.............5.9....2.8
NEW test.................5.8....4.9
Run off temp @ 19C

I gave them only 2 feeds with bicarb @ ph 7.5 until now....

I am exactly on time to go to work...I couldnt take the readings last night because baby was sleeping in the room below my cab so i wake up very early to take the test...I barely sleep last night from my worry but i found new series (amazing) to watch: Narcos:Mexico....biggest cartel on ganja destribution

Have a good day to all..
 
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Here i think i have a problem? This is my ph down and its phosphate. Its 0-15-0...OMG....
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did you get the "Nitric Acid Ph down yet ??

I soak them really good and i took reading of the run offs. Here is the result:

5th march update

Plant 1 = EC 2.1 PH 5.9

Plant 2 = EC 3.0 PH 6.0

Plant 3 = EC 2.1 PH 6.2

Plant 4 = EC 2.0 PH 6.1



DP Ultimates 1&2 ([HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] has the lime)



DP auto Ultimate no2 (lime in soil)
Day 14
1ltr feed EC 0.6
9 cm height

Critical +2.0 (propably with lime)
Day 12
1ltr feed EC 0.6
8 cm height

Amnesia xxl (propably with lime)
Day 11
0.5ltr feed EC 0.6
6cm height



3tbspns in 20 litre pots
2tbspns in 15 litre pots

that is really = to;
3tbls in 15ltrs
3tbls in 10ltrs

so a lot more concentrated than 1st though, as low levels of soil in fabric pots


To recap: PH.........EC
1st test: 6.0.........4.6
2nd test 5.9.........4.8
3rd test 5.3.........5.0
4th test 5.9.........4.8

What is happening here? The lime kicked in and EC is flying?
My ph i suppose is good?



Biobizz mix 50l has a medium EC score.




ULTIMATE 1....PH....EC

1st test............5.9....3.3
2nd test...........5.9....3.3

ULTIMATE 2....PH....EC
1st test............6.0....4.6
2nd test...........5.9....4.8

CRITICAL........PH....EC
1st test............6.0....3.2
2nd test...........6.1....2.8

AMNESIA.......PH....EC
1st test............5.9....2.8
2nd test...........5.9....2.8



previous test was plain water ec 0.3 and ph'ed to 6.0 @ 23C

ULTIMATE 1................PH....EC

Previous test............5.9....3.3
NEW test................5.9....6.0
Run off temp @ 19C

ULTIMATE 2.................PH....EC
Previous test.............6.0....4.6
NEW test.................6.0....6.5
Run off temp @ 19C

CRITICAL....................PH....EC
Previous test............6.0....3.2
NEW test................6.0....3.2
Run off temp @ 19C

AMNESIA......................PH....EC
Previous test.............5.9....2.8
NEW test.................5.8....4.9
Run off temp @ 19C

I gave them only 2 feeds with bicarb @ ph 7.5 until now.

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These are all the run off tests we have done so far white'ty.......... the top one is the first on the 5th marxh, 2wks ago ok.......... THIS SO WE CAN DO A CHRONOLOGICAL Ec & Ph "COMPARISON" LOOK THROUGH THEM, AND TELL ME WHAT YOU NOTICE White'ty ok.........."Interpretation"......... my comments are below;

5th march update

Plant 1 = EC 2.1 PH 5.9

Plant 2 = EC 3.0 PH 6.0

Plant 3 = EC 2.1 PH 6.2

Plant 4 = EC 2.0 PH 6.1

Next update after above

1st test: 6.0.........4.6
2nd test 5.9.........4.8
3rd test 5.3.........5.0
4th test 5.9.........4.8

and the one after above

ULTIMATE 1....PH....EC
1st test............5.9....3.3
2nd test...........5.9....3.3

ULTIMATE 2....PH....EC
1st test............6.0....4.6
2nd test...........5.9....4.8

CRITICAL........PH....EC
1st test............6.0....3.2
2nd test...........6.1....2.8

AMNESIA.......PH....EC
1st test............5.9....2.8
2nd test...........5.9....2.8

and the one after above, the final one on 19th march, today posted (Below), so 2wks of samples, overall

ULTIMATE 1................PH....EC
Previous test............5.9....3.3
NEW test................5.9....6.0
Run off temp @ 19C

ULTIMATE 2.................PH....EC
Previous test.............6.0....4.6
NEW test.................6.0....6.5
Run off temp @ 19C

CRITICAL....................PH....EC
Previous test............6.0....3.2
NEW test................6.0....3.2
Run off temp @ 19C

AMNESIA......................PH....EC
Previous test.............5.9....2.8
NEW test.................5.8....4.9
Run off temp @ 19C

I gave them only 2 feeds with bicarb @ ph 7.5 until now

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RUN OFF RESULTS CHRONOLOGY; " 14 day DATA interpretation "

First test is;

Ph 5.9 Ec 2.0

Second Test is;

Ph 5.9 Ec 4.8

Third Test is;

ULTIMATE 1....PH....EC
1st test............5.9....3.3
2nd test...........5.9....3.3

ULTIMATE 2....PH....EC
1st test............6.0....4.6
2nd test...........5.9....4.8

CRITICAL........PH....EC
1st test............6.0....3.2
2nd test...........6.1....2.8

AMNESIA.......PH....EC
1st test............5.9....2.8
2nd test...........5.9....2.8

Fourth test is;

ULTIMATE 1................PH....EC
Previous test............5.9....3.3
NEW test................5.9....6.0
Run off temp @ 19C

ULTIMATE 2.................PH....EC
Previous test.............6.0....4.6
NEW test.................6.0....6.5
Run off temp @ 19C

CRITICAL....................PH....EC
Previous test............6.0....3.2
NEW test................6.0....3.2
Run off temp @ 19C

AMNESIA......................PH....EC
Previous test.............5.9....2.8
NEW test.................5.8....4.9
Run off temp @ 19C

DATA INTERPRETATION BELOW;

TEST ONE WAS ERRONEOUS AS TO LOW, PROBABLY NEW METER NOT CALIBRATED WHEN BOUGHT ETC.......... SO I AM RULING OUT THIS SET OF DATA..........

SECOND TEST IS SIMILAR TO THIRD, EXCEPT IN THE "THIRD" THE ULTIMATE 1, CRITICAL & AMNESIA ARE ALL "MUCH" LOWER THAN "ULTIMATE 2"

(We Know Ultimate 2 has lime, we dont know which of the other pots has the second shot of lime), looking at the second test, it is only data from one pot, with 4 test taken from the one pot run off............ so not conclusive as only one pot = 4 tests....

TEST FOUR TO DAY; Ph IS HOLDING UP WELL, (Ph 5.9 to 6.0) THE 'CRITICAL" SHOWN NO Ec "INCREASE", AT TEST NO 4 WHICH IS WEIRD AS THE OTHER 3, THE ULTIMATE 1 & 2 & AMNESIA DO SHOW RAISED Ec, UP FROM 4.8 TO 6.0 BUT ONLY IN THE ULTIMATES............ SO THE CRITICAL & AMNESIA...... = DID NEED THE SOIL BUFFERING !!!!!!!!

"DUE TO THE" 2NO "BIT STIFF" Ph7.5 'RE-BUFFERING" FEEDS............ TOTAL FEED Ec WAS Ec 2.1,

THIS BI-CARB BUFFERING AT Ph7.5, AND Ec 2.1 (WHEN FED), WAS A BIT STRONG A JUMP FROM Ph 6.0 soil (To) Ph 7.5 feed water........ .........which raised, THE RUN OFF AVERAGE.ON THE FOURTH TEST.................

AND IS WHY I HAVE REDUCED THE FEED Ph DOWN TO "6.8".................. AS INSTRUCTED ABOVE..

THIS SHOULD LOWER THE FINAL FEED 'Ph" TO 6.5, FROM 7.5......................... IT WAS THE 7.5, THAT YELLOWED THE TIPS................ IN MY OPINION.......................... HOWEVER WE STILL DO NOT KNOW WHAT POT HAD THE SECOND DOSE OF LIME...................... IT IS NOT SHOWING IN THE 4 RUN OFF TESTS,.................... ONLY IN THE "ULTIMATE 2" RESULTS...................... ALR
 
did you get the "Nitric Acid Ph down yet ??

No not yet ALR...But i will have it for the next grow...

What do you think? Using only the ph perfect nutrients that stabilize my ph to 6.8 - 7.0 can give me a grow from start to finish? It turns out that Biobizz Lightmix has an acidic ph buffer ...

Vegetive phase with standard ph 6.8 - 7.0 feeds will keep the soil ph to 6.3 - 6.5?

that is really = to;
3tbls in 15ltrs
3tbls in 10ltrs

so a lot more concentrated than 1st though, as low levels of soil in fabric pots

Yes, you are VERY right again! Spot on!

ALR, why then my soil ph is not close to 7 in the pots with lime??

These are all the run off tests we have done so far white'ty.......... the top one is the first on the 5th marxh, 2wks ago ok.......... THIS SO WE CAN DO A CHRONOLOGICAL Ec & Ph "COMPARISON" LOOK THROUGH THEM, AND TELL ME WHAT YOU NOTICE White'ty

All i see is that ph needs work to get to 6.5...EC is climbing up meaning the plants are not eating???
I dont use much feeding...Only EC 0.4 - 0.5...


Here is photo update...Everything looks ok...They seem to enjoy their new light the dual spec...

Looking at Critical (first from bottom) you can think thats why her EC is the same....She is eating like a pig :) The treatment make her hungry!
Ultimate 1 is on the right and Ultimate 2 on the left...
Amnesia is doing good atm

Their color is nice lush green..I will keep an eye on the new growth...

I forgot to mention to you that Ultimate without the lime has the most intense yellow tips...Maybe you can think of something?

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Here you see the Ultimate 2 that had yellow bars on her leaves...remember ALR?? Not only the Critical & Amnesia have taken well the soil buffer...Ultimate 2 has recovered 100% from her yellowing...

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I think with the ph perfect 6.8 - 7.0 base nute only, they will give a good response and hopefully soil will buffer at 6.5!! I trust you my friend..Well done!!

The ladies are happy!!


ALR i have done something i saw on youtube a while ago...I pushed the big leaves down and under other leaves so now the light hits the stems where bud will form...

Is this necessary? I will leave it for 5-6 days like this..IS IT OK?


will have to 'Top" out the plants after.......... the fourth internode white'ty, around day 21-25........ this will lower the finished height of the plant, and cause energy to be evenly spread through the bows

Cant wait to do this :)


TEST FOUR TO DAY; Ph IS HOLDING UP WELL, (Ph 5.9 to 6.0) THE 'CRITICAL" SHOWN NO Ec "INCREASE", AT TEST NO 4 WHICH IS WEIRD AS THE OTHER 3, THE ULTIMATE 1 & 2 & AMNESIA DO SHOW RAISED Ec, UP FROM 4.8 TO 6.0 BUT ONLY IN THE ULTIMATES............ SO THE CRITICAL & AMNESIA...... = DID NEED THE SOIL BUFFERING !!!!!!!!

All is good...They look very healthy...Critical has seem to take the high ph nicely!

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QUESTIONS PLEASE
How much EC i need at this stage of life??

ALR what i should do now? In the calculator what week i should be using? the week 3 or week 2 schedule?
In the week 3 they say to use 20ml for 5ltr (half dose of 10ltr)
and in week 2 they say to use 10ml of each base nute...

What should i do? 20 ml of each nutrient sounds A LOT!
Maybe i should go with the week 2 of 10ml (1ml per litre)?
Please advice me on this matter as i am not sure if i will create a problem....

How much EC i need at this stage of life??

Edit: ALR what about
rhinoskin
https://www.advancednutrients.com/products/rhino-skin/ and
sensizym https://www.advancednutrients.com/products/sensizym/

I can give them a try??
 
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It turns out that Biobizz Lightmix has an acidic ph buffer ...

buffers are allways alkaline white'ty, only alkalinity can mop up acidity............... bases are acidic,.............. buffer and base balance we aim for........ they say canabis is 'Ericatious" an acid loving plant, so Ph 5.8 to 6.3................ however, the plant in my experience is not.................. as sativa strains tend to like 6.5 to 7.3............... 7.5 is "Nuetral" Ph......... not acidic................ pure indicas are more ericatious than stivas then...........

Vegetive phase with standard ph 6.8 - 7.0 feeds will keep the soil ph to 6.3 - 6.5?

your run off "Average" was 5.9 we are running in now a lower Ph of 6.8, down from 7.5......... over the next 5-9 days the Ph will rise up as we knock out the hydrogen ions with the higher Ph. alkaline feeds, will balance the soil ................. you will see the m respond for a second round............

why then my soil ph is not close to 7 in the pots with lime??

Because the lime you used was probably "Crushed Limestone" powder, this take a long time, several months to break down to a form the plant can use.... a chemical deamination process,.............. so it WILL NOT ACT AS A SOIL ALKALINE BUFFER, WHEN IT IS NEW IN THE SOIL.................. THE Ph6 IN THE LIGHTMIX IS BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH BUFFER (CALCIUM CARBONATE) = TEMPORARY & AVAILABLE ALKALINITY WAS ADDED TO THE LIGHTMIX WHEN THIS BATCH WAS MADE..........

SO THE BATCH, WAS MANUFACTURED "ACIDIC" @Ph5.8 TO 5.9............. AS OUR RUN OFF TESTS HAVE SHOWN..... Bi-carb raises the Ph 100 times faster as it is ionically available to the acid, and each alkaline molecule mops up "Binds / Bonds"........ out of cuirculation 'Acidic Hydrogen Ions" this raises the Ph....... and lowers soil acidity by taking out the acid............Your lime, you added was, a form of agricultural lime, also called aglime, agricultural limestone, garden lime or liming, is a soil additive made from "pulverized limestone or chalk". The primary active component is calcium carbonate.

Additional chemicals, (Nutrients) vary depending on the 'Mineral source" of the limestone used, and may include calcium oxide, magnesium oxide and 'Magnesium Carbonate". Again is slow release events, in soil white'ty... so no buffer balancing the soil, due to slow breakdown in soil. Unlike the types of lime called quicklime (calcium oxide) and slaked lime (calcium hydroxide),

"Powdered limestone" does not require lime burning" in a lime kiln; it only requires "Milling to a Powder"......

The effects of agricultural lime on soil are:

  • it increases the pH of acidic soil, over time, a slow release effect (the lower the pH the more acidic the soil); in other words, soil acidity is reduced and alkalinity increased, over time, as the granular limestone breaks down into an available source of alkalinity.
  • it provides a slow release source of calcium and magnesium for plants, like 'Palm Tree" ashes,.
  • it permits improved water penetration for acidic soils, before and during it's break down in soil.
  • it improves the uptake of major plant nutrients (nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium) of plants growing on "acid soils". this is what you see, but not with lime, with the bi-carb and Ph 6.8 feeds.....

All i see is that ph needs work to get to 6.5...EC is climbing up meaning the plants are not eating???
I dont use much feeding...Only EC 0.4 - 0.5...

This answer will cross over a couple below........

The plants are consuming nutes............... and drinking a fair bit !!......... yes it takes time for the effect of a positive Ph "Shift" to be seen in the actual tissue of the plants................

The lights out shot, is worth it's weight in gold, it tells me the Ec0.5 (Nute Only Ec) is bang on the money at the moment.................. the leaves are the mid, and not dark green, dark green means nute burn will show next....

so we keep the "Ec0.5" nute power THE SAME AT THE MOMENT White'ty ok...........

i have checked over your nute pak "NPK" ratio's............. here is what i found, N is low in the G/M/B/B52 combi, see below..............these are all on the back of your G/M/B/B52 bottles whiite'ty...

ratio's of N P K Ca = CaCo3 calcium)

grow 1 0 4 0
micro 2 0 0.1 2.4
bloom 1 3 4 0

Total = N 4 P 3 K 8.1 Ca 2.4

Plus; B52 2 1 4

Total = N 6 P 4 K12.1

So final NPK = N 6 : P4 : K12.1

weird there is no Phosphorus in the grow or micro............. and no Ca (Calcium) in the bloom, when "More" of it is needed..... the G/M/B ratio at identical mls each = N4 P3 K8............... a fair grow ratio.......... we will see how the rest of the combi comes out when we switch to "Bloom"................

if you are making a 10ltr feed, put "2.5ml" in the AN nute calculator set to veg in the nutrient base drop down box ok............... use identical ml"s of each grow micro & bloom & B52....... to reach our target nute only Ec0.5

SENSIZYM is an organic breakdown chem............... breaks down old root and organic matter.............. DONT BOTHER WITH THIS OK.........

RHINO SKIN is a silica additive 'Silicone"................ i hadent notice there was none in the schedule........... it is good to feed this every other feed, 1ml per 2ltrs,........... every other feed, in "FLOWER OK"....... IT IS ALSO USED FOR "Ph UP" ok.....................


They seem to enjoy their new light the dual spec...

yep, is why is said to change up as soon as we can............. probably accounts for the better green coloring in the fan leaves................

White'ty
FROM NOW ON CAN WE DO THE UPDATE PICS WITH EACH PLANT BROUGHT OUTSIDE THE TENT, JUST AFTER LIGHTS OUT.....??................... IS THAT WHEN YOU TOOK PICS ? JUST AFTER LIGHTS OUT ?.............NEVER TAKE PLANT OUT FROM UNDER LIGHT MID 18 HOUR PERIOD,..IT'S OK JUST AFTER LIGHTS OUT, NO HARM DONE OK............... TAKING OUT & PUTTING BACK IN DURING LIGHTS ON IS BAD OK.................CAN TRIGGER HERMIE EVENT OK............. LIGHTS OUT PICS ARE THE BEST FOR ME TO SEE HOW THEY ARE OK.................

I NEED A SHOT OF THE 'INTERNODE SECTION".................... WE ARE DAY21 / 23?............ AROUND 21 TO 28 DAYS THE INTERNODES WILL BEGIN TO STAGGER, RATHER THAN OPPOSITE EACH OTHER,......... FROM THERE WE GO UNTILL THE FRUITS ARE 10MM WIDE THEN SWITCH TO BLOOM NUTE EXPERT LEVEL THEN White'ty ok........ pic of internode needed ok just after lights out, take plant out of tent, or bring to front of tent,,,,,,,,,,,

She is eating like a pig :) The treatment make her hungry!

yep, they are recovering from the Ph spike.................... looking purity pretty.......... update every 5 days at the mo white ok..............

Ultimate without the lime has the most intense yellow tips

as it has had the largest Ph shift..................... but it is bouncing back now...............

Not only the Critical & Amnesia have taken well the soil buffer...Ultimate 2 has recovered 100% from her yellowing...

each plant is as individual as a thumb print, all however have a liking for our nute strength............. 'On The Sweet Spot" right now........................ as the light is at the right height and giving 24c at the leaves top canopy top....................... they are not stretching madly for light, as they have the correct lux on them............... hence the good growth and recovery....................... the photon light engine above is placed correctly.................

with the ph perfect 6.8 - 7.0 base nute only, they will give a good response and hopefully soil will buffer at 6.5!! I trust you my friend..Well done!!

The ladies are happy!!

i am also relatively happy so far............................ they are not to dark a green, neither to light a green........... vigorous and high integrity grow..................... they look good...................... as you are acting with god's speed on my guidence.................... the results of your work, are showing up in front of you.............. they are smiling hence you are.................. they are talking to you white'ty.................... they like your husbandry bro !! well done there man.......... when you look back at these pics, last week of flower, when they are holding up a stack of fruit, you will remember the juvenile growth stages................. how clean and baby sweet they looked............ before "Adulthood" and Fruitification".........

I pushed the big leaves down and under other leaves so now the light hits the stems where bud will form...

Is this necessary? I will leave it for 5-6 days like this..IS IT OK?

leaf tucking is a very good thing to do............ never cut leaves of a plant, they are all nutrient stores, that will be recovered from the leaves during late flower and ripening........ bring the baby bow leaves above the large fans,............ tucking the big fans under the baby bows trying to push through the large fans......... tuck them all, every time you see a large fan blocking an up coming bow head........

All is good...They look very healthy...Critical has seem to take the high ph nicely!

the critical is a strong strain.................. she will deliver, as she has been through a lot of selection, and crossing to get the yeild and vigor............ you will see. she is one of four sweets that will fill your "500ml Screw Top KILNER JARS"..........................each with 2no 62%RH "Boveda" packs in each jar................ you will need one jar for 2 oz,. so you will need 8 jars, 16 boveda packs white ok..................... '500ml Kilner jars"............8no............................16no boveda 'RH maintenance" packs..........

What should i do? 20 ml of each nutrient sounds A LOT!
Maybe i should go with the week 2 of 10ml (1ml per litre)?
Please advice me on this matter as i am not sure if i will create a problem....

we are day 21 ? 23 ? (you did not post age, with lights out pics !) we are not at bloom switch yet ok.............. just keep up the veg feed as chart...................... G/M/B/B52 @Ec0.5.........identical ml's of each to make up the Ec@0.5 in 10ltrs.......give them as directed twice a week a soaking to a small run off........(Can Sneak a Ph & Ec Check, at these saturation watering, (Needed As Cloth Pots Loose Water).... continue untill otherwise directed.......(Internode pics needed)...... we will need to see 10mm wide white fruit heads on the Auto plant before we switch to bloom expert level ok..........................

post update lights out pics every 5 days.................... we only had the ulti 2 & critical in the lights out pics............................do all 4 next time white, and the specs as a block of imfo, as all are on the same regime at the mo ok..................... ulti and critical pics look super.............. nice work, all ok with you at the mo then white'ty, you sound happy with them yea...................... ALR

addendum;

has your RO filter arrived yet ??...................
you will need nitric acid Ph down next grow, white'ty ok...............
your using phosphorus Ph down at the mo yes ?
 
Critical has seem to take the high ph nicely!

As long as your Ec and Ph pens are correctly calibrated, check em every 15 days of culture,.............. re calibrate them.......................and the soil temps are maintained at 22-24c, room at 26-29c. we will be seing more of this !!........... white once a week give em the voodo juice and piranna shot as these are the microryzal and bacterial soil boosters, and allways need a top up once a week................. due to natrural losses etc......

There reason i say to get a "Fan Type" floor positioned heater thermo fan; is because the wire ellements inside, when the air is blown over them containing strong terps, the heater wires, consume the terps, helping to kill the smell of strong resinous flower terpen de aroma................... a rad heater dose not afford this benefit......... better a floor fan. faster response heating times............. this is a one "Or" 2kw fan, 1kw is how we use them, has a fall over safety cut off switch also.....

the dial on the left at the bottom of the fan is the thermostatic control dial.......... you have to find, tune into, the sweet spot at which at 27c, lights out, where the fan will "switch off" ............ coming back on when the temp drops back top 25 or so 24c............... it will come back on maintaining the temp........... can get them here in homebase 12 quid white ok.................... worth every penny compared to oil rads........... not a lot of good for us oil rads ok...........................use your max & min greenhouse temp gauge to see what the temp dose as you find the sweet spot adjusting the thermo switch on off dial............tricky as it's in use during lights out, so you cant go in there................. this is why you use a max & min temp gauge, it records the lowest temp and the highest temp in the 24hrs period......ALR
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max min mercury type, green house temp gauge (Below) the little black bars above the murcury are the recorder bars,.............. murcury moves these to the max and min positions................. recording the "High" & "Low" temperatures over the period 24hrs....................... invaluable kit.................. for peanuts..... you tune your floor 1kw fan heater with this ok white....................... ALR
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@AutoLowRyder

About the RO filter system...this UK company emailed me asking an extra 90 pounds to ship to my country....I just asked a refund and i will buy from amazon once i get my refund as this site has calculated shipping but the price gave me was not correct by 90 pounds!!! This happens to me all the time and its just takes me back couple of weeks until my bank clears the money......................................................BAD LUCK with the RO so far......

On the side note i got my 500m3/h carbon filter and im waiting some ducting with pvs cover coming next week...tomorrow im going to get the Y connector and soon i will reconstruct my ventilation with 2 carbon filters!!

I also got the aquarium heater and i will give it a try in the 50L bucket i got but i will keep it in my toilet where i will run pump as there i dont get pump noise in my sleeping room downstairs where baby sleeps.....

Waterpumps should arrive soon i hope.........

I also put in an order of the 2KW heater with fan...its like the one in the photo you uploaded :)) Woop Woop!!

I am using the phosph PH DOWN for now...But with my nutrients been ph perfect i will not use it any more!!
Next grow will be with Nitric PH DOWN

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To recap..............

*i will continue my 0.5 feed of G.M.Bloom with B52....2 times a week feed until little run off OK!!! (also try to take run off samples OK!!!)

*Once a week i will add Voodoo and Piranha (is this included in the FLOWER mode until the end?)

*In FLOWER mode i will start using RhinoSkin @ 1ml per 2ltr every other feed ( i will not bother with sensizym!)

*Photos i will take when lights OUT OK!!!!!!!

*Keep tucking leafs....

*I will need 8 jars for 16 oz....BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ARE YOU SERIOUS??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? xxxxxDDDDDDDDDDDDD

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UPDATE info 21/3/2019

Temps 28-29C Light ON / 24-27C Light OFF
Humidity 55%
Light: Dual Spectrum 600w @ 80cm distance from canopy
Soil temps 22C
Leaf temps 24C
Feeding 0.5 nute EC, ph 6.8 @ 23C
I started leaf tucking the last 2 days..

ALR i know you pointed out the importance not to remove the plants out of their 18 light period and to wait until its dark period but i had to take these shots just out of the tent and i was very quick....I used to take them out usually in the morning to water them or to take run off samples about 1 hour after the light was coming ON. I hope i didnt fuck up their genetics....Last time i do these kind of bad things................So here we go for the photos.................I will upload 2 photos of each plant, one is for the internode section........

Ultimate_1 Height 38cm
Day 26 since got in the dirt (24 days since got a head up in the soil)
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Ultimate_2 Height 30cm
Day 26 since got in the dirt (24 days since got a head up in the soil)
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Critical Height 34cm
Day 24 since got in the dirt (22 days since got a head up in the soil)
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Amnesia xxl Height 26cm
Day 23 since got in the dirt (21 days since got a head up in the soil)
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ALR thank you once more for everything!!!!!!!!!!!You are amazing my friend!!!The plants look like a charm and setup with your advices is turning out powerfully!!

They started to have a nice smell btw xD The filters will go On just in time i think....
 
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I don't think you have to worry too much about taking pics with them outside the tent.
In nature, it's not always bright sunshine 18 hours a day!
Cloudy days, black skies before a storm, eclipses, elephants etc all happen so a few minutes under some household lights wont cause any harm!
All looking good, BTW my jars vary between taking 2 to 4 ounces, and I put maybe 6 Bovedas in the jars while they cure and for long term storage.
 
The format of the update above, "WE WILL USE FROM NOW ON"............ it's 100% on the nose, pics & correct imfo for viewers white........... good job there, you got your 100% grade........ the block write up of data at start, only lacks one thing, (Underlined) = Feeding Ec0.5 + Base Water Ec0.3 = Total Ec0.8. other than that bang on....... here are my replies,............. glad you like the way the plants are looking ;)

tomorrow im going to get the Y connector and soon i will reconstruct my ventilation with 2 carbon filters!!

yep, these do stink proper when they get going white.............. the 4 dames will fill the 1.5m x 1.5m x 2.0m = "4.5m3" or 4.5 cubic meter grow cab............. you have capacity to change 580m3 minus losses = 350m3/hr air change capacity..............

so 350 per hour divided by "4.5" = 77, seventy seven, CHANGES per hour !!............ with a 30c plus air temp (Summer)............ and the +8c HPS generates................ we will need to shift a lot of air through the cab, to keep the temp down to 32c............. giving soil temp at 26-27c...................as we dont really want to exeed soil temp of 27 or 28c max........... is why teetee uses a free standing "AirCon" unit, in the room the cab is in............ god job we have sorted out improving the "Flow Capacity" in the air temp set up......... the larger capacity in the carbon filter side........................ one on intake..................... two on a Y piece on the out take....... will enable high flow with "CORRECT FILTRATION"................ and no smell "OVERFLOW" from filters at high speed air flows.........

can you post a pic of the air exit arrangement, you mention you lifted a bar up and fitted outflow grille ??......... no air can be suck back in to the room at this point, the exit point is air tight white yes ??............ pics say a thousand and so on............. no bugs can get in via the hot air exit vent point etc ??


50L bucket i got but i will keep it in my toilet where i will run pump as there i dont get pump noise

white get a block of expanded polystyrene or thick foam, double it, and sit the bucket on it.......dampens vibration 100%...... wrap the bucket in black plastic, to stop light getting in............. so no algae can grow on your nutes................ set pump and heater on timer, to come on 60mins before you want to feed............. plus any time you need to make fresh res and feed frsh and warm at Ec0.5 nute only......

am using the phosph PH DOWN for now...But with my nutrients been ph perfect i will not use it any more!!
Next grow will be with Nitric PH DOWN

yep phos in flower nitric in veg............................Ph down.........................Ph up = silicone / silica

Once a week i will add Voodoo and Piranha (is this included in the FLOWER mode until the end?)

live bacteria (Voodo) live microryzal and other micro soil plankton... (Pirranna)........... it quite potent, i would say half dose every 2wks white............... right through the grow.............at half dose of AN nute calculator...... if it lowers Ph when added let me know ok.........

In FLOWER mode i will start using RhinoSkin @ 1ml per 2ltr every other feed ( i will not bother with sensizym!)

rhino is silica................... is good to use at half dose from start to near the finish...........stop using the "last 4Wks Of Flower"....................as we dont want residues in the flowers ok.................... silica promotes bio cell health, and prevents disease mold and fungal spores developing.......... SILICONE = IS A Ph "UP" ADDITIVE ALSO........... so to use it at "Quarter ml/Ltr/1.............. youmay need to use a "Ph Down"........... after adding the silicone......... rhino skin EVERY OTHER FEED RHINO QUARTER DOSE.....

I will need 8 jars for 16 oz

IF EACH PLANT, (Say 4 Plants, as small critical has recovered!), so 4 plants give 150g dry each = 600g / 28g (Oz) = 21oz / 1.5oz per 500ml jar = 15no 500ml screw top kilner jars.............. if we only hit 15oz........ then even better, as 1oz per jar................. is best way to store the "Cured" fruits (Buds).................. the RH62% Boveda RH control packs................. ensure perfect smoking RH, when combusted...................it's very smooth......... the full terps are present...........................it's a 100% Dutch Amsterdam Smoking Experience............... it aroma is very powerful though !!!!!!!! is why i vape it 89% aroma reduction !!

UPDATE info 21/3/2019"

Temps 28-29C Light ON / 24-27C Light OFF
Humidity 55%
Light: Dual Spectrum 600w @ 80cm distance from canopy
Soil temps 22C
Leaf temps 24C
Feeding 0.5 nute EC, ph 6.8 @ 23C
I started leaf tucking the last 2 days..

add base water Ec = total Ec....................... = 100% grade !!! for the "Experienced Culturists" viewer, a joy to read................. and essential, pics mean zero without it..................

.I used to take them out usually in the morning to water them or to take run off samples about 1 hour after the light was coming ON. I hope i didnt fuck up their genetics....Last time i do these kind of bad things

we will have to see....................... if you only did it a few times................. might be ok.................. my fault, i should have picked up on that area of the MO earlier........... just afyter lights out, take pics......... get em back in............................... when they are in flower......................... we will just unzip door 50cm poke camera in and thats it..............................DONT WANT THE STINK, POTENT CANNA AROMA, ESCAPING INTO THE HOUSE OK................. THE IAR IS BEING DRAWN IN UNDER THE ENTRANCE DOOR TO THE ROOM..................... SO NO STINK CAN GET OUT AROUND THE DOOR, AS ITS AN AIR IN POINT........................

JUST ENSURE YOU KEEP IT CLOSED WHEN IN THERE FEEDING DURING FLOWERING..........KEEP THE NEGATIVE AIR FLOW ON THE DOOR !!................

KEEP IT SHUT........................ THE STINK IN THE ROOM (FEEDING) WILL BE DRAWN BACK INTO THE CAB AND TREATED AND PUSHED OUT OF THE ROOM.............. VIA OUR OUT VENT.....................

THE STINK IN THE ROOM, "WILL GET IN YOUR CLOTHES"...................... YOU WILL BECOME "iMUNE" TO IT................YOUR NOSE WILL...................."SHUT OFF TO THE AROMA"......................... I GO INTO THE ROOM.................... PANTS AND SOCKS..........................ONLY...................AND GET DRESSED WHEN I COME OUT.....................

SO I DONT STINK, STINK, OF CANNA...........................THAT I CANNOT SMELL !!!! (SO TRUE).................. AFTER I GET DRESSED AGAIN......... I DONT STINK OF CANNA.......... WHEN IN A LOCAL SHOP..................... !!.........................YOU CANT SMELL IT BUT "THEY CAN!".........................(SO TRUE)...............

YOU DONT WANT YOUR SON THINKING YOU GOT A NEW COLOGNE !!!!

started to have a nice smell btw xD The filters will go On just in time i think....

I REFER YOU TO THE ANSWER ABOVE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COMMON SENSE MUST RULE HERE......... AND REMEMBER YOU BECOME IMUNE TO THE SMELL EVENTUALLY................

WHEN YOU CUT THEM DOWN AND TRIM THEM........... PANTS AND SOCKS ONLY.. YOU WILL BE SITTING INSIDE THE TENT............... LUCKY ITS 1.5M X 1.5M.............. AND TRIMMING AND PUTTING ONE HANDFULL OF BUD INTO ONE "A4" BROWN "PAPER BAGS", FOLDED OVER, TO HANG AND DRY ON A SOCK HANGER OVAL RAIL WITH PEGS ON IT.......... THERE THE FLOWERS WILL DRY AT 24-26C................... (RH) WILL BE HIGHER DUE TO WATER LIBERATING FROM FLOWERS, DURING DRYING White ok........... once dry'ed to (RH62%) they are put into the kilner jars for a 10-15 day "Cure" = Kilner Jar Cure = "De-Carboxylation" process ok...........the rise of the terpens !!! ALR


CULTURE INSTRUCTIONS;
White'ty here are some new instructions, to be done now as soon as we can ok..............

It's time to top "Prune" the "Dames" white'ty................... see the middle stem below, cut it off there ok, on all four plants, right now, as pic below; we are at 6th and 5th internode, topping can be done, never before the 4th internode = stress to plant............. allways post / after, 4th internode, before staggering begins or just after.............. is fine..................never after 12/12 with fems white'ty ok................ if you ever do fems etc
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white if you look at the top of your amnesia...............the internode has "Just" started to "Stagger Apart"............ the other 3 "have Not yet"................... this is sexing, the amnesia is sexing ok................... chop the top out as pic above...................... we are day 23................. so they sex around 3wks day 21..................... so 2 days late !!.................... they all go at different times ok..................... the ultimate's and critical will sex next.............."Staggering nodes" ok...................... fruitification has begun on the "Early" amnesia, the rise of ethylene the sex hormone has begun..............i wk after they all sex... STOP THE ROOT FERAMONE INPUT OK STOP ROOT STIM THEN OK................they must be healthy they are showing eggs bang on time !!............... they like you white'ty my friend ................................

Why Top Them ???????????

it diverts energy budget, "More Evenly" throughout the plants life................. longer stronger bows, two no center colas are also created..................... being a tad smaller, reduces the risk of mold on flowers near harvest.................. satellite bow buds are more walnut sized.................... perfect for bag appeal............. that walnut sized nugget of pure cured, crystallized aroma de terpenes............................. when you snip out the tops................... use a pair of sharp "Pointed" scissors.................... to get either side of the stem, between the sprouts either side ok.........................good luck ;), with ya 1st topping out !!

was pleased i log on this morning, to find the 100% update;.................... what a nice way to start the day !!.............. quality imfo, quality pics.......................... looking forward to 5 days time 27th march update !!............ good work white man.......................... looking good yea........................... ALR

post pic of the area where you have the hot air vent out of the room...........where the bar is lifted up etc............. and how you closed off the area around it etc...................... air is coming in passive from under the door yes............ if so great................ as neg pressure on the room the cab is in means stink cant get out into the house .................... = what we want ok.............................the only way a "Chuff" of stink can get out, is when you go in and shut the door......................... a small puff of stink wont stink the house out etc................. ALR
 
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