New Grower Cupcake's , Snowryder & AutoAK47 - Grow Log.

[~Cupcake~]

that's absurd, is it for sure that it wont hurt the other developing buds?

 

[Muddy]

Nothing absurd about it at all. If you have a rose bush, you don't cut all the roses at the same time, only when the buds are opening. Or a tomato plant. All the tomatoes don't ripen at the same time. I clip buds from my plants all the time to test the high at various stages. The plants continue on fine.

 

[riz]

it's only one wound for the plant to heal, then it diverts what woulda went to the cola to the next few highest parts. When you take the cola you will see down the middle some yellow growth, thats leaves that have not had enough lights, within a day they will start to turn a nice shade of green and a couple of days later you will see the extra swell ye get from those middle buds.

 

[Trifid]

Removing the apical cola (central bud site) first will supress auxin activities in the plant and encourage the development of the lateral colas or 'axillary' budding sites to continue as they compete for secondary dominance. This also allows for greater light penetration of the lower canopy, allowing light to reach the inner or previously shielded portions of the lateral branches that are often atrophied and under-developed as riz pointed out. My preference is to do a progressive harvest to allow everything to reach maturity. In this way i get to sample the clusters at each stage of the maturation process and i also know for future reference when to begin the harvest regime with that particular strain..

 

[BuddyLove]

after all, isn't this exactly what happens in nature. the plants get chewed on from top and bottom. it doesn't kill the plant, rather it makes the rest of it stronger, it's perfectly natural to have pieces chopped off of a living plant! enjoy.

Removing the apical cola (central bud site) first will supress auxin activities in the plant and allow the development of the lateral colas or 'axillary' budding sites to continue as they compete for secondary dominance. This also allows for greater light penetration of the lower canopy, allowing light to reach the inner or previously shielded portions of the lateral branches that are often atrophied and under-developed as riz pointed out

 

[Trifid]

that's absurd, is it for sure that it wont hurt the other developing buds?

Removing the apical cola (central bud site) first will supress auxin activities in the plant and encourage the development of the lateral colas or 'axillary' budding sites to continue as they compete for secondary dominance. This also allows for greater light penetration of the lower canopy, allowing light to reach the inner or previously shielded portions of the lateral branches that are often atrophied and under-developed as riz pointed out. My preference is to do a progressive harvest to allow everything to reach maturity. In this way i get to sample the clusters at each stage of the maturation process and i also know for future reference when to begin the harvest regime with that particular strain..

Since the cytokinin/auxin ratio is a negative feedback system, supplying additional quantities of cytokinin can magnify this effect in the development of the lateral colas following removal of the primary terminus. This is a well practiced technique in floral-display horticulture and has been used to cultivate award winning Clematis at the Chelsea Garden Show. Flower developmental hormones - namely the cytokinins travel upward from the root-zone to reach the higher canopies where they relocate to the bud termini. A small percentage of these active substances go on to induce cytokinesis at the meristem of the clusters to enhance the growth factor in these sites. The remainder is suppressed by the descending auxin activity which arises from the bud terminus. Similarly the auxins travel downward toward the root-zone to encourage root development and stem elongation and their activity is put in check or regulated by the suppressive properties of the secondary metabolites of cytokinin synthesis. In effect they suppress and regulate the activity of each other - one set of chemicals drives the system in a given direction, whereas another set of chemicals drives it in an opposing direction - this is the basis of an antagonistic-negative feedback mechanism.

Removal of the apical cola suppresses auxin activity throughout the plant's biochemistry - this has the effect of allowing the cytokinin response to become magnified by it's dominance in the chemical ratio. By supplementing cytokinins to the root-zone after the initial harvest we tip the scale completely and intensify the effect of these hormones on cluster development. It is the shift in the cytokinin/auxin ratio that leads to cola thickening or 'bulking' when we use 'bloom boosters'. This effect will be pronounced if we remove the primary cola first since we are dampening cytokinin suppression at it's major source - 70% of the plant's auxin productivity arises from there.

This technique can be adapted to effect the shift of the cytokinin/auxin ratio without removing the growing tip. By stressing or partially injuring the terminus by squeezing or twisting it slightly - the plant will recover and the tip will heal and eventually auxin activities will return to normal. This is perhaps the best way to supplement with growth hormones and is similar to the justification for super-cropping techniques where auxin activity is suppressed in early development to modify the plant's profile while conserving the apex.

after all, isn't this exactly what happens in nature. the plants get chewed on from top and bottom. it doesn't kill the plant, rather it makes the rest of it stronger, it's perfectly natural to have pieces chopped off of a living plant! enjoy.

You're absolutely right Wild. The cytokinin/auxin antagonistic mechanism is a result of evolutionary factors - namely the herbivore (that's us) .. It's all about survival policy.

 

[~Cupcake~]

The girls are really ambering up they're pistils and allthough they were wet I watered with 6L of bubbled water with 6.3ph and 30ml of Ripen, starting tommorow they are going to get 200ml of bubbled water unph'd and untouched , about 200ml a day untill they are ''clean'' enough to my eye, anything around 1-4 days, i ain' gonna even clip a taste bud, gonna chop it as a whole, decided that on the day i decided on this grow... gotta be strong.. there is significant yellowing of everything, including smaller bud leaves... its gonna be soon..

although guys, i really appreciate the write-up above this post, thanks for taking the time and explaining.

 

[Trifid]

Cupcake. Please feel free to have my post (auxins) relocated to a more appropriate place - i didn't want to clog up your thread there mate. So have a word with the Buddah Man if it's imposing on your showcase. Glad you find this stuff informative, maybe people can refer to it when they want to read more about hormones and additives and stuff.. Thanks for the like bro. Pleased to hear you're near victory with those girlies, they are beautiful. One of ur plants look just like the pineapple i harvested recently, your's is more nicely developed under that HPS though.. Better light penetration i guess.

Nice thread mate. Speak soon
Trifid.

 

[~Cupcake~]

No imposition at all, thanks for all the info, it's nothing but pure pleasure to have you guys around.. write up as much usefull info as you can

 

[Trifid]

Cool :booya: Thanks.. Sorry for going off topic though guys i get a bit carried away sometimes. Dammit.
Your primary objective here is have a smooth harvest and it's probably best like you've said, to not go round the houses about it..

Tell you something bro I'm excited for you with this one..

She's a winner :clap:
Good work my friend