autoflowering duckfoot

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

Nothing really, I suppose? I just had a bad reaction to another 'herb', the one and only time I tried it!



what's new to be done?

Always room for research and the advancement of cannabis in all areas!



MikeyB.

HAHA well color me relieved!!!! Haha I always felt those concentrates could be bad but I've inhaled a lot of salvia leaves thinking it was ok as long as no weird growing practices were used so I'm very comforted to know that you weren't aware of some crazy toxicity that I never heard of! WHEW!!!

Also, agreed. Research all angles of canna, except maybe ones that can't at all exist outside a lab would be my only hesitation...

"What's new to be done?" - I'm with you on this Mikey, that was intended as a challenge
Definitely was not implying that we've done all we can with canna. I think we just scratched the surface realizing there is more to breed for than thc photoperiod plants

Big ups!!!

 

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

Any speculation on crossbreeding related species like hops, catnip, etc, in search of one that will crossbreed with a subspecies of canna? Maybe cross japan hops to catip and the progeny will be receptive only to laos landrace sativas?
I don't know a lot about breeding outside of cannabis AT ALL, so I'm just tossing these ideas out to see what the rest of you talk about if they aren't super stupid ideas. I know that generally crossbreeding leads to infertility, that's mules from donkeys and horses right? Or something like that?
Do any of you have examples of species that were unable to breed until some strange crossbreeding intermingling between related species allowed it? Out there, I know. I just smoked myself out of a PTSD freakout so I'm kinda zonked right now but... "Yall are good with them words and smarts stuff things so I done figgurrd maybe could be one of yous mite have things to say abouts it...." haha

Thanks so much for this informative thread btw, this is the kind of stuff that keeps me checking AFN daily to see what comes up. Much love and respect coming from over here.

 

[Corgy]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0031942275851004

 

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0031942275851004

Yessir, posts containing links that say "science" more than once are excellent. Thank you, sir!

 

[Corgy]

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[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0031942275851004

Woah dude cool do I have to be a badass to login and read that? I read the front page, kinda internet dumb so maybe I don't have to pay the $35 or whatever? Tempted to buy the article to read it...

I've grafted before, canna to canna actually only once. Female to female but went full on opposite sides of the spectrum and grafted an LA Confidential to a White Widow like five years ago but still had distinct LA Con and White Widow... Wish I took pics of that but for those interested, think cloning plus duct tape, except go deeper when you're scraping. I think you wanna get to the layer past the one you shoot for to bust roots...
Quick question regarding that, has anyone considered grafting male branches onto winning moms and just keeping that one plant alive for seed production? Could be cool for places where numbers can mess you up. One less root system for Dad, just keep Mom and Dad in the same pot on the same root system haha... Anyway...
Ok, so we can graft them but my understanding is still two separate dna structures right? Will they "get acquainted" over time and familiarize genetically? No way right?
Like, I grafted a plum branch to a cherry tree once also and I never got a mix of the two or any cross pollination but like I said my horticulture background is pretty much limited to norcal heirloom cannabis and autoflowers, and succulents (of course!) so please read any of my questions or propositions as coming from a very humble place wishing to probe you for clarification.

Again, thanks so much to everyone for the stimulating convo. I can feel my brain doing it's sponge thing... Or maybe that's the landrace sativa I smoked... Either way, good times everyone!!!
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[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

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[Corgy]

Ok, so we can graft them but my understanding is still two separate dna structures right? Will they "get acquainted" over time and familiarize genetically? No way right?

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Read at your own risk http://www.sky.org/data/grow/c18.html

Grafting
One of the most persistent myths in marijuana lore concerns grafting Cannabis to its closest relative. Humulus, the hops plant of beer-making fame. The myth is that a hops scion (shoot or top portion of the stem) grafted to a marijuana stock (lower stem and root) will contain the active ingredients of marijuana. The beauty of such a graft is that it would be difficult to identify as marijuana and, possible, the plant would not be covered under marijuana statutes. Unfortunately, the myth is false. It is possible to successfully graft Cannabis with Humulus, but the hops portion will not contain any cannabinoids.
In 1975, the research team of Crombie and Crombie grafted hops scions on Cannabis stocks from both hemp and marijuana (Thailand) plants 205. Cannabis scions were also grafted to hops stocks. In both cases, the Cannabis portion of the graft continued to produce its characteristic amounts of cannabinoids when compared to ungrafted controls, but the hops portions of the grafts contained no cannabinoids. This experiment was well-designed and carried out. Sophisticated methods were used for detecting THC, THCV, CBD, CBC, CBN, and CBG. Yet none of these were detected in the hops portions.
The grafting myth grew out of work by H.E. Warmke, which was carried out for the government during the early 1940's in an attempt to develop hemp strains that would not contain the "undesirable" drug 58. The testing procedure for the active ingredients was crude. Small animals, such as the water flea Daphnia, were immersed in water with various concentration of acetone extracts from hemp. The strength of the drug was estimated by the number of animals killed in a given period of time. As stated by Warmke, "The Daphnia assay is not specific for the marijuana drug ... once measures any and all toxic substances in hemp (or hop) leaves that are extracted with acetone, whether or not these have specific marijuana activity." Clearly it was other compounds, not cannabinoids, that were detected in these grafting experiments.
Unfortunately, this myth has caused some growers to waste a lot of time and effort in raising a worthless stash of hops leaves. It has also leg growers to some false conclusions about the plant. For instance, if the hops scion contains cannabinoids, the reasonable assumption is that the cannabinoids are being produced in the Cannabis part and translocated to the hops scion, or that the Cannabis root or stem is responsible for producing the cannabinoids precursors.
From this assumption, growers also get the idea that the resin is flowing in the plant. The myth has bolstered the ideas that cutting, splitting, or bending the stem will send the resin up the plant or prevent the resin from going down the plant. As explained in our discussion of resin glands in section 2, these ideas are erroneous. Only a small percentage of the cannabinoids are present in the internal tissues (laticiferous cells) of the plant. Almost all the cannabinoids are contained and manufactured in the resin glands, which cover the outer surfaces of the above-ground plant parts. Cannabinoids remain in the resin glands and are not translocated to other plant parts.
We have heard several claims that leaves from hops grafted on marijuana were psychoactive. Only one such case claimed to be first hand, and we never did see or smoke the material. We doubt these claims. Hops plants do have resin glands similar to those on marijuana, and many of the substances that make up the resin are common to both plants. But of several species and many varieties of hops tested with modern techniques for detecting cannabinoids, no cannabinoids have ever been detected 212.
The commercially valuable component of hops is lupulin, a mildly psychoactive substance used to make beer. To our knowledge, no other known psychoactive substances has been isolated from hops. But since these grafting claims persist, perhaps pot-heads should take a closer look at the hops plant.
Most growers who have tried grafting Cannabis and Humulus are unsuccessful. Compared to many plants, Cannabis does not take grafts easily. Most of the standard grafting techniques you've probably seen for grafting Cannabis simply don't work. For example, at the University of Mississippi, researchers failed to get one successful graft from the sixty that were attempted between Cannabis and Humulus. A method that works about 40 percent of the time is as follows. (Adapted from 205)
Start the hops plants one to two weeks before the marijuana plants. Plant the seeds within six inches of each other or start them in separate six-inch pots. The plants are ready to graft when the seedling are strong (about five and four weeks respectively) but their stem has not lost their soft texture. Make a diagonal incision about halfway through each stem at approximate the same levels (hops is a vine). Insert the cut portions into each other. Seal the graft with cellulose tape, wound string, or other standard grafting materials. In about two weeks, the graft will have taken. Then cut away the unwanted Cannabis top and the hops bottom to complete the graft. Good luck, but don't expect to get high from the hops leaves. {Smoking any plant's leaves will give a short, slight buzz.}

 

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

lol woah gimmie a minute on that haha awesome

 

[NekoSempai]

I keep forgetting to check this thread...but when I do..I find some damn good posts to read. Very interesting stuff. Its a shame the hop/cannabis fusion didnt work. Seems like the only way would be through GMO..which....isnt really a method I would prefere until there is more general scientific understanding of how it effects us. If at all.