autoflowering duckfoot

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

Read at your own risk http://www.sky.org/data/grow/c18.html

Grafting
One of the most persistent myths in marijuana lore concerns grafting Cannabis to its closest relative. Humulus, the hops plant of beer-making fame. The myth is that a hops scion (shoot or top portion of the stem) grafted to a marijuana stock (lower stem and root) will contain the active ingredients of marijuana. The beauty of such a graft is that it would be difficult to identify as marijuana and, possible, the plant would not be covered under marijuana statutes. Unfortunately, the myth is false. It is possible to successfully graft Cannabis with Humulus, but the hops portion will not contain any cannabinoids.
In 1975, the research team of Crombie and Crombie grafted hops scions on Cannabis stocks from both hemp and marijuana (Thailand) plants 205. Cannabis scions were also grafted to hops stocks. In both cases, the Cannabis portion of the graft continued to produce its characteristic amounts of cannabinoids when compared to ungrafted controls, but the hops portions of the grafts contained no cannabinoids. This experiment was well-designed and carried out. Sophisticated methods were used for detecting THC, THCV, CBD, CBC, CBN, and CBG. Yet none of these were detected in the hops portions.
The grafting myth grew out of work by H.E. Warmke, which was carried out for the government during the early 1940's in an attempt to develop hemp strains that would not contain the "undesirable" drug 58. The testing procedure for the active ingredients was crude. Small animals, such as the water flea Daphnia, were immersed in water with various concentration of acetone extracts from hemp. The strength of the drug was estimated by the number of animals killed in a given period of time. As stated by Warmke, "The Daphnia assay is not specific for the marijuana drug ... once measures any and all toxic substances in hemp (or hop) leaves that are extracted with acetone, whether or not these have specific marijuana activity." Clearly it was other compounds, not cannabinoids, that were detected in these grafting experiments.
Unfortunately, this myth has caused some growers to waste a lot of time and effort in raising a worthless stash of hops leaves. It has also leg growers to some false conclusions about the plant. For instance, if the hops scion contains cannabinoids, the reasonable assumption is that the cannabinoids are being produced in the Cannabis part and translocated to the hops scion, or that the Cannabis root or stem is responsible for producing the cannabinoids precursors.
From this assumption, growers also get the idea that the resin is flowing in the plant. The myth has bolstered the ideas that cutting, splitting, or bending the stem will send the resin up the plant or prevent the resin from going down the plant. As explained in our discussion of resin glands in section 2, these ideas are erroneous. Only a small percentage of the cannabinoids are present in the internal tissues (laticiferous cells) of the plant. Almost all the cannabinoids are contained and manufactured in the resin glands, which cover the outer surfaces of the above-ground plant parts. Cannabinoids remain in the resin glands and are not translocated to other plant parts.
We have heard several claims that leaves from hops grafted on marijuana were psychoactive. Only one such case claimed to be first hand, and we never did see or smoke the material. We doubt these claims. Hops plants do have resin glands similar to those on marijuana, and many of the substances that make up the resin are common to both plants. But of several species and many varieties of hops tested with modern techniques for detecting cannabinoids, no cannabinoids have ever been detected 212.
The commercially valuable component of hops is lupulin, a mildly psychoactive substance used to make beer. To our knowledge, no other known psychoactive substances has been isolated from hops. But since these grafting claims persist, perhaps pot-heads should take a closer look at the hops plant.
Most growers who have tried grafting Cannabis and Humulus are unsuccessful. Compared to many plants, Cannabis does not take grafts easily. Most of the standard grafting techniques you've probably seen for grafting Cannabis simply don't work. For example, at the University of Mississippi, researchers failed to get one successful graft from the sixty that were attempted between Cannabis and Humulus. A method that works about 40 percent of the time is as follows. (Adapted from 205)
Start the hops plants one to two weeks before the marijuana plants. Plant the seeds within six inches of each other or start them in separate six-inch pots. The plants are ready to graft when the seedling are strong (about five and four weeks respectively) but their stem has not lost their soft texture. Make a diagonal incision about halfway through each stem at approximate the same levels (hops is a vine). Insert the cut portions into each other. Seal the graft with cellulose tape, wound string, or other standard grafting materials. In about two weeks, the graft will have taken. Then cut away the unwanted Cannabis top and the hops bottom to complete the graft. Good luck, but don't expect to get high from the hops leaves. {Smoking any plant's leaves will give a short, slight buzz.}

Well, definitely wanna try smoking some hops spliffs one day but yeah that backs up my question about cannabinoid transfer for sure.

So, where do people stand on the idea of cross-breeding related... shoot, what did Piggy call them, they're Cannabinae species right? Cross Japan hops with catnip, bx to hops, whatever... Possibility that something eventually would take Indy, Saty or Rudy pollen and be capable of working to a true like f25 ibl on it's way to becoming a new subspecies by the time one of us dies?
Sure seems possible with proper environmental conditions but that's a whole lot to take on and begs the question why... but if you're making seeds and not trying to graft sensi crops then couldn't one grow a bunch of other species alongside female canna selections and every time a canna breed was done and see if you ever achieve crossbreeding? Essentially pollen splashing to other species as experiment as a result of planned breeds?
I guess some clarification on how close these species need to become genetically could help someone like me but I just realized I totally hijacked Bon's autoduck thread!!!
Apologies, Bonobo!!!

 

[Johnny AwesomeSeeds]

I keep forgetting to check this thread...but when I do..I find some damn good posts to read. Very interesting stuff. Its a shame the hop/cannabis fusion didnt work. Seems like the only way would be through GMO..which....isnt really a method I would prefere until there is more general scientific understanding of how it effects us. If at all.

Getting into GMO past selective and unnatural breeding with regards to non-organic is in my opinion, especially related to this topic, one of those places where science tends to focus too much on "can we" and not enough on "should we"... I wish I remember who said that. I think it was Patton Oswalt , hahaha

 

[NekoSempai]

Getting into GMO past selective and unnatural breeding with regards to non-organic is in my opinion, especially related to this topic, one of those places where science tends to focus too much on "can we" and not enough on "should we"... I wish I remember who said that. I think it was Patton Oswalt , hahaha

Yea, that a really good point. I dont think we should be doing it at all..except perhaps in small indoor contained facilities...To be able to answer the question if we should or not. Sadly thats not how its went down.

But dont want to hijack the thread either lol.

Looking forward to seeing the future development of this very intriguing strain. :Sharing One:

 

[South Syder]

I don't think I've seen this anywhere through the thread?

http://en.seedfinder.eu/strain-info/Pintura_Ruderalis/KalySeeds/

Translated from German (sort of?):

KalySeeds - Pintura Ruderalis


A small but compact Automatic type Indica. Your provided with lots of resin thick tops and their gedrunger but massive growth with dark green, large leaves is very resistant and frost resistant.


She turns, depending on the season, and produces dark to black, colored purple tints in the leaves, stems, and later in flowering, depending on the temperature. In cold weather, they begin to show their colors but also in extreme heat or drought. The formation of the red dye is sort of protection.


All in all, PINTURA a fast and robust plant brings their income depending on experience growing up to 100g and fixed to harvest leafless, resinous Tops has their tastes good Maroc similar. She is ready between two and three months and can be sown from March to August.


Type: ruderalis / indica
Harvest: 3 months after sowing
Yield: 50g-100g
Potency: 7%
Taste: bitter herbal sßlich
Sow April to August
Germination: 3-28 days
Germination temperature: 18-24 degrees
Size: 70cm-1.50m
Location: Sunny min 6h full sun.
Water requirements: low
Resistance: to mold and spider mites



MikeyB.

:horse:
Yeah, man, we've seen this one already; looks waaay interesting -- maybe an alternative if our hero here continues to keep quiet....

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​Yeah, we're feelin' ya bro -- definitely!!

 

[hank]

It says it's crossed with Humulus Japonicus under strain lineage. What the heck is that? And is it safe to smoke?

http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=HUJA

Its banned by the government in Connecticut and Massachusetts.......so it's gotta be good View attachment 429539

Humulus japonicus Siebold & Zucc. Show All
Japanese hop

Noxious Weed Information
This plant is listed by the U.S. federal government or a state. Common names are from state and federal lists. Click on a place name to get a complete noxious weed list for that location, or click here for a composite list of all Federal and State Noxious Weeds.
ConnecticutJapanese hops Potentially invasive, banned​
MassachusettsJapanese hops Prohibited​

U.S. Weed Information
Humulus japonicus Japanese hops This plant can be weedy or invasive according to the authoritative sources noted below.This plant may be known by one or more common names in different places, and some are listed above. Click on an acronym to view each weed list, or click here for a composite list of Weeds of the U.S.
STATE	Assorted authors. State noxious weed lists for 46 states. State agriculture or natural resource departments.

So it's not pure weed? No thanks

A member of the hop family (which is closely related to the cannabis family!)



I've smoked worse! Salvia Divinorum for example?



What is 'pure weed' these days?



MikeyB.

I just wonder if breeding with another type of plant could create something that is poisonous to human body.

They are in the same family, not just related families. Cannabaceae.

It is pure weed, it's just been crossed with japanese hops. There is no poison, there is no danger. By that logic autos should be poisonous because of the rudi in them.

The reason japanese hops are banned is because they could escape and are invasive when they do. It has nothing to do with them being dangerous to humans.

Hops is like a Zebra. Looks like a horse but is not a horse.
A chicken and a duck are both birds. They can not mate.

Hops and Cannabis are family (like a duck and a chicken) but can not mate.




I would love if my hops crossed with my MJ. Make some sweet sweet beer!

 

[bonobo]

hello

i would like to cross it with hop to get strunken
a chicken and a duck both lay eggs and the autoduck too

i dont know if they are ripen allready but i want to germinate them as soon as possible .

here in the freezer minus _18 degrees celsius just for one night 12 hours and then i drop em in a glas of water 24 degrees celsius
and the day after tomorrow into soil .

this way of fast germinating doesnt always work out .
but the last time i did it i had a 100% score :clap:
bonobo are you in a hurry ?
no i just dont want to wait



greetz bonobo

 

[NekoSempai]

Hello Bonobo. Looks great brother!
I just thought of this. There is a Bonobo music I listen to on pandora. Wondering if you named your alias after Bonobo?

Very pleasant music I might add if its a coincidence.
Bonobo(musician) Wiki

 

[bonobo]

hello

thx @ nekosempai : no im not called after the musician but after the sexmonkey
i saw them once in the zoo man man man very busy animals they are .
very funky apes .
my mother in law was shining all the colors of the rainbow so ashamed she was
i want to get out of here she kept calling .

two new autoduc ladies

big duckleaves she has got

greetz bonobo

 

[9bear]

Hello Bonobo. Looks great brother!
I just thought of this. There is a Bonobo music I listen to on pandora. Wondering if you named your alias after Bonobo?

Very pleasant music I might add if its a coincidence.
Bonobo(musician) Wiki

Simply put Neko, Bonobo's like to screw A LOT . :hug:

 

[Joedirt]

Simply put Neko, Bonobo's like to screw A LOT . :hug:

Me too.