New Grower Auoflowring GMO
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I'm against genetics modification on all levels for one simple reason: Mankind can't find its own ass with both hands down the back of its pants............ and we want to play God and mess with genetics??? Allow it to continue, and I have no doubt we'll prove every science fiction writer to be right, the world will end up a lifeless ball of rock..............
Trapper
Rocky Mountain...High
Could not agree more. Unfortunately, The Monsantos of the world have opened Pandora's Box by proxy for the entire world's population...
Ideally, the planet and geographic diversity boundaries would be used for maintaining the untouched strains and the lab would be used for
the research. But that ship has sailed....
Respectfully, why is it so important to maintain the "untouched" strains(except in a seed bank in Svalbard), and isn't growing outside a lab part of the full research cycle? not saying here that Anyone, its not only Monsanto, should be allowed to uncontrolled contaminate surrounding areas, but eventually it has to be done to see that it is not "harmful".......there is no way around it, how else can the research come to conclusion.......
"Nature" has and always will be a-changing........trying to keep anything static is "Un-Natural" and actually re-actionary......just my take!
"Nature" has and always will be a-changing........trying to keep anything static is "Un-Natural" and actually re-actionary......just my take!
Trapper
Rocky Mountain...High
Responsible research includes the isolation of the experiment so that if any unforeseen effect takes place, it can be isolated.
It currently isn't being isolated due to expense. There are ways around it...it's a matter of due-dillegence that is being side-stepped.
There is a difference between natural adaptation and forced adaptation...we can't hide behind the concept that as humans we
are part of nature and therefore anything we concoct is "natural". The uniquely sentient and social manner of the human species
has historically been the most dangerous threat and harmful component to the planet.
It currently isn't being isolated due to expense. There are ways around it...it's a matter of due-dillegence that is being side-stepped.
There is a difference between natural adaptation and forced adaptation...we can't hide behind the concept that as humans we
are part of nature and therefore anything we concoct is "natural". The uniquely sentient and social manner of the human species
has historically been the most dangerous threat and harmful component to the planet.
TimeTraveler
User of Advanced Lunar Technology
I don't have any issue with GMOs in theory; selective breeding is already a sort of genetic modification in and of itself.
The problem I have is that, when splicing in DNA from outside the species to achieve certain affects, little to no consideration is given to the consequences AND it's used to further legal control over it. Monsanto patents its unique GMO strains and then uses that to bully farmers that don't comply with their rules and regulations into oblivion. Their corn has better yields and is poison-proof; if you don't plant their corn, you can't compete. If you do, you basically have a TOS on a plant you have to obey! It's a devastating and scary thought that a multinational corporation can OWN a life form and control who grows it!
Even worse is the risk of cross-contamination; GMO pollen from a Terminator plant (Monsanto's line of sterile plants that don't produce seeds, forcing growers to buy a new batch every year like it or not, profits or no) can contaminate a non GMO field, and the way the law works now the farmer growing there not only loses seeds that he was counting on (since he didn't buy Monsanto), but can be sued by Monsanto since their patented DNA wound up in his fields!
I think the research into GMOs and better understanding how DNA works, and how we can change and improve plant and animal life is fine by itself; I don't see it as anything more than a modern take on the age old practice of selective breeding. The problem is it isn't being carried out in labs, in controlled scenarios where the impact can be measured, discussed, and decided upon before it hits the world. I also have a HUGE problem with corporations being able to patent DNA sequences. They haven't yet used it for anything other than greedy, frightening purposes.
The problem I have is that, when splicing in DNA from outside the species to achieve certain affects, little to no consideration is given to the consequences AND it's used to further legal control over it. Monsanto patents its unique GMO strains and then uses that to bully farmers that don't comply with their rules and regulations into oblivion. Their corn has better yields and is poison-proof; if you don't plant their corn, you can't compete. If you do, you basically have a TOS on a plant you have to obey! It's a devastating and scary thought that a multinational corporation can OWN a life form and control who grows it!
Even worse is the risk of cross-contamination; GMO pollen from a Terminator plant (Monsanto's line of sterile plants that don't produce seeds, forcing growers to buy a new batch every year like it or not, profits or no) can contaminate a non GMO field, and the way the law works now the farmer growing there not only loses seeds that he was counting on (since he didn't buy Monsanto), but can be sued by Monsanto since their patented DNA wound up in his fields!
I think the research into GMOs and better understanding how DNA works, and how we can change and improve plant and animal life is fine by itself; I don't see it as anything more than a modern take on the age old practice of selective breeding. The problem is it isn't being carried out in labs, in controlled scenarios where the impact can be measured, discussed, and decided upon before it hits the world. I also have a HUGE problem with corporations being able to patent DNA sequences. They haven't yet used it for anything other than greedy, frightening purposes.
Posterity my friend.
GMO is when genes from another species are introduced in an organism. It can not be achieved through regular breeding. It is godlike, to change a thousand to a million years of evolution.
Glowing fish and insects exist in nature
GMO could be used for good things if used cautiously. It is however, in corporate hands and is used for profit and ripping us off.
If a disease causing bacteria or virus were GM'd to be harmless it could wipe out all kinds of diseases forever.
Can't really think of other ethically acceptable possibilities right now. I believe everything we need can be achieved through normal breeding, no reason to mess with nature like this.
"Many of Monsanto's agricultural seed products are genetically modified for resistance to herbicides, such as glyphosate. Monsanto sells glyphosate under the brand, "Roundup" – Monsanto calls these seeds "Roundup Ready". "
"The bacterium Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt) is a family of over 200 different proteins which naturally produce chemicals harmful to selective insects, most notably the larvae of moths and butterflies, beetles, cotton bollworms and flies, and harmless to other forms of life (Umt.edu, 2013). The gene coding for Bt toxin has been inserted into cotton, causing cotton to produce this natural insecticide in its tissues. In many regions, the main pests in commercial cotton are lepidopteran larvae, which are killed by the Bt protein in the transgenic cotton they eat. This eliminates the need to use large amounts of broad-spectrum insecticides to kill lepidopteran pests (some of which have developed pyrethroid resistance). This spares natural insect predators in the farm ecology and further contributes to noninsecticide pest management.
However, Bt cotton is ineffective against many cotton pests such as plant bugs, stink bugs, and aphids; depending on circumstances it may still be desirable to use insecticides in prevention of such pests. A 2006 study done by Cornell researchers, the Center for Chinese Agricultural Policy and the Chinese Academy of Science on Bt cotton farming in China found that after seven years these secondary pests that were normally controlled by pesticide had increased, necessitating the use of pesticides at similar levels to non-Bt cotton and causing less profit for farmers because of the extra expense of GM seeds.[SUP][2]"
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" 2013 launched the first transgenic drought tolerance trait in a line of corn hybrids termed DroughtGard.[SUP][96][/SUP] The MON 87460 trait is provided by the insertion of the cspB gene from the soil microbe Bacillus subtilis; it was approved by the USDA in 2011[SUP][97][/SUP] and by China in 2013.[SUP][98]"
[/SUP](They also made PCB's, Agent Orange, growth hormone for cows and other healthy stuff)
Basically their strains yield like shit, bugs get resistant to bt, and weeds resistant to roundup, seeds are expensive and need to be bought every year, being patented plants mean they even own your plants if they get pollinated. Eventually all the natural farmed crops could be contaminated with these shit genes. Never mind the effects of Roundup has on people. It does no damage to humans but kills a lot of good bacteria... Which we need in our gut like an organic grown plant needs his bacteria to deliver what it needs.
Tang,Spock is dead.
Well said......."Nature" is "Nature".........the next time overdue super-volcano Yellowstone blows, a Dinosaur destroying like asteroid strikes(thank god, or mammals would never have evolved to include my OH 
), the Sun spews a massive solar flare, etc........that is a natural event and is the way "Nature" is.....GAIA.........
From a human point of view, much anything a-changing can be naturally be a threat, short or longterm, so freezing, stopping time/change/evolution is defensively no different from when ISIL, Hitler, Genghis Khan or the taxman comes a-knocking.......resistance.........sometimes successful, othertimes futile !
I think in 15-20-50 years genetic engineering and a digital blueprint of virtually every genome/species on Earth easily recreated, will be as off-hand-matter-of-fact accepted as mobile phones, flushing toilets and canna botanism are by most today.......there is no way of changing the dynamic nature of "Nature"......there is only 3 things that will never bow to the Law of Change.........Death, Taxes and.......Change!
I'm hoping growing my own canna, hopefully tip top quality or better than what can be had now, will cure me of this cynical, agnostic, analyzing, scientific approach to nature......lol
), the Sun spews a massive solar flare, etc........that is a natural event and is the way "Nature" is.....GAIA.........From a human point of view, much anything a-changing can be naturally be a threat, short or longterm, so freezing, stopping time/change/evolution is defensively no different from when ISIL, Hitler, Genghis Khan or the taxman comes a-knocking.......resistance.........sometimes successful, othertimes futile !
I think in 15-20-50 years genetic engineering and a digital blueprint of virtually every genome/species on Earth easily recreated, will be as off-hand-matter-of-fact accepted as mobile phones, flushing toilets and canna botanism are by most today.......there is no way of changing the dynamic nature of "Nature"......there is only 3 things that will never bow to the Law of Change.........Death, Taxes and.......Change!
I'm hoping growing my own canna, hopefully tip top quality or better than what can be had now, will cure me of this cynical, agnostic, analyzing, scientific approach to nature......lol
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