Dutch Passion A Year of DP Hermis

[dirtbag]

Ok----- My Hermie Conundrum continues.

I have a new CC on about day 30.
After successive Hermie grows I'm starting to loose the plot.

Its a little early to tell- but i noticed a few Calyx on the main stem had Brown pistols (seemed too early).
Im on high alert now in a desperate attempt to solve my hermie issues.
Im not 100% as its still really early- but it looks like i have tiny immature seeds in the Calyx again??
Im obviously now keeping a very close eye on the plant to see what happens.

The plant did grow a little weirdly- much more stretchy than other 2 Mazar. Much less Leaf- so i already questioned if it could be male?
But i was hoping that was a genetic feature and waiting patiently preying my suspicions are wrong.

I'll be dambed if i can't find whats repeatedly ball sacking my grows??

Temp are stable (20-30 Degrees Min Max).
Ample Light (2 GN MS006 and a Mars 2 700)
Good Soil
Good air flow
Light Nutes (AN Range Tangs Schedule) (could an older Additive in the range be causing hermies??- Im clasping straws here).
Tap water (sat out for 24 hrs before adding Nutes to declorinate??

I've cleaned my space a number of times. Bleached. Rinsed.
Really can't fathom why this keeps happening.
Could there really still be Pollen in my system? Its been a number of months since i had a banana situation- and I'm led to believe that pollen has a relatively short life span?

I've also now got a few alternate seeds from other companies on the go?
But I'm totally at a loss what can be going wrong.

Whats strange is that the plants don't even show male flowers (bananas etc).
They are just consistently growing Bud and Seed together???
I am sad to admit it, but if this last run of plants turn out seedy- I'm gonna have to retire my green gloves.

Just wish i could work out what the hell I'm doing wrong?

 

[SirGreen]

Ok----- My Hermie Conundrum continues.

I have a new CC on about day 30.
After successive Hermie grows I'm starting to loose the plot.

Its a little early to tell- but i noticed a few Calyx on the main stem had Brown pistols (seemed too early).
Im on high alert now in a desperate attempt to solve my hermie issues.
Im not 100% as its still really early- but it looks like i have tiny immature seeds in the Calyx again??
Im obviously now keeping a very close eye on the plant to see what happens.

The plant did grow a little weirdly- much more stretchy than other 2 Mazar. Much less Leaf- so i already questioned if it could be male?
But i was hoping that was a genetic feature and waiting patiently preying my suspicions are wrong.

I'll be dambed if i can't find whats repeatedly ball sacking my grows??

Temp are stable (20-30 Degrees Min Max).
Ample Light (2 GN MS006 and a Mars 2 700)
Good Soil
Good air flow
Light Nutes (AN Range Tangs Schedule) (could an older Additive in the range be causing hermies??- Im clasping straws here).
Tap water (sat out for 24 hrs before adding Nutes to declorinate??

I've cleaned my space a number of times. Bleached. Rinsed.
Really can't fathom why this keeps happening.
Could there really still be Pollen in my system? Its been a number of months since i had a banana situation- and I'm led to believe that pollen has a relatively short life span?

I've also now got a few alternate seeds from other companies on the go?
But I'm totally at a loss what can be going wrong.

Whats strange is that the plants don't even show male flowers (bananas etc).
They are just consistently growing Bud and Seed together???
I am sad to admit it, but if this last run of plants turn out seedy- I'm gonna have to retire my green gloves.

Just wish i could work out what the hell I'm doing wrong?

Don't give up my friend!
Never!
I can assure u that if u remove the sacs before they burst you could keep the plant safe.
The little seed in the calyx is normal.
Is not a hermie 's character!

 

[Green Mtn]

Word of warning- this post is a bit long and makes for a depressing read.

Let me introduce myself. Ive been an AFNer for a while now- I'm a watcher and learner more than a teacher. But i know a fair bit by now and have tagged along with a load of great grows.
Im no longer in the noob department.
I've also been an avid fan of DP for a number of years.

But over the last year my past glory has turned into a complete nightmare.

Just over a year ago i decided to change from Autos and try to run DP's power plant- Supposedly one of their most stable strains.
My conditions are all pretty stable.
Temps of 25/29c - Good Led Light- Good air flow- Light nute schedule- good soil.

All three PP's went full Banana on me.....YIKES i thought- bummer -
but i took the hit.
I had taken a bit of a risk with Photos.
i got stung. But i moved on quickly.
Nature rules in the end i figured.

4 months pass as i shut off for a few cold months of the winter.

OK- Spring comes- time to get back on track.
I run with a pair of TD's and some CC's... Something old/something new right....

WRONG!!!!

Both TD's produce Ball sacks which fully open and pollinate the remaining CC's.
I didn't even think Autos could Hermie- but i was clearly wrong on that.

Now I'm starting to sweat. My supplies are pretty much finished- i rely on my meds to help with various sleep related issues.

So i bung in 3 ANQ's to Germinate whilst i take apart my space- fully bleach it all.

Im now 35 days into my ANQ grow.
This morning i take them out into the daylight for a full inspection.
Low and behold-ANOTHER PAIR OF HERMIES!!!!!!
No pollen this time but the two hermies are a completely different shape (stretched with minor bud development). I break of a cylax or two and yep- there they are- mini seeds ripening instead of bud!

The remaining plant is looking good- but I'm not exactly confident with nearly a years worth of Hermies on my hands....

Needless to say- My DP Days are over.
Ive seen a number of grows on here going Tits up (or Balls up?).
To add to all this nightmare- Tony has been totally dicking me around saying DP would send me some seeds to say sorry.... then these seeds suddenly disappeared in the post (great so my address is now marked??)

Truth is- i don't want any free seeds now.
I've totally lost confidence in DP and talking to a few other reliable sources on here, I'm not alone.

Im sad to have to post such negative account having witnessed success in my beginnings - but this forum is designed for exactly this.

To spread honest experiences.

Sadly mine is not a good one... A year of energy/money/love/risk/commitment down the pan-
and most stressfully- I'm now out of herb

Sorry, but it sounds like an environmental problem. Or you are from another seed company trying to knock dp. I have had two hernias in five years from

Word of warning- this post is a bit long and makes for a depressing read.

Let me introduce myself. Ive been an AFNer for a while now- I'm a watcher and learner more than a teacher. But i know a fair bit by now and have tagged along with a load of great grows.
Im no longer in the noob department.
I've also been an avid fan of DP for a number of years.

But over the last year my past glory has turned into a complete nightmare.

Just over a year ago i decided to change from Autos and try to run DP's power plant- Supposedly one of their most stable strains.
My conditions are all pretty stable.
Temps of 25/29c - Good Led Light- Good air flow- Light nute schedule- good soil.

All three PP's went full Banana on me.....YIKES i thought- bummer -
but i took the hit.
I had taken a bit of a risk with Photos.
i got stung. But i moved on quickly.
Nature rules in the end i figured.

4 months pass as i shut off for a few cold months of the winter.

OK- Spring comes- time to get back on track.
I run with a pair of TD's and some CC's... Something old/something new right....

WRONG!!!!

Both TD's produce Ball sacks which fully open and pollinate the remaining CC's.
I didn't even think Autos could Hermie- but i was clearly wrong on that.

Now I'm starting to sweat. My supplies are pretty much finished- i rely on my meds to help with various sleep related issues.

So i bung in 3 ANQ's to Germinate whilst i take apart my space- fully bleach it all.

Im now 35 days into my ANQ grow.
This morning i take them out into the daylight for a full inspection.
Low and behold-ANOTHER PAIR OF HERMIES!!!!!!
No pollen this time but the two hermies are a completely different shape (stretched with minor bud development). I break of a cylax or two and yep- there they are- mini seeds ripening instead of bud!

The remaining plant is looking good- but I'm not exactly confident with nearly a years worth of Hermies on my hands....

Needless to say- My DP Days are over.
Ive seen a number of grows on here going Tits up (or Balls up?).
To add to all this nightmare- Tony has been totally dicking me around saying DP would send me some seeds to say sorry.... then these seeds suddenly disappeared in the post (great so my address is now marked??)

Truth is- i don't want any free seeds now.
I've totally lost confidence in DP and talking to a few other reliable sources on here, I'm not alone.

Im sad to have to post such negative account having witnessed success in my beginnings - but this forum is designed for exactly this.

To spread honest experiences.

Sadly mine is not a good one... A year of energy/money/love/risk/commitment down the pan-
and most stressfully- I'm now out of herb

You do know 85 degrees

Word of warning- this post is a bit long and makes for a depressing read.

Let me introduce myself. Ive been an AFNer for a while now- I'm a watcher and learner more than a teacher. But i know a fair bit by now and have tagged along with a load of great grows.
Im no longer in the noob department.
I've also been an avid fan of DP for a number of years.

But over the last year my past glory has turned into a complete nightmare.

Just over a year ago i decided to change from Autos and try to run DP's power plant- Supposedly one of their most stable strains.
My conditions are all pretty stable.
Temps of 25/29c - Good Led Light- Good air flow- Light nute schedule- good soil.

All three PP's went full Banana on me.....YIKES i thought- bummer -
but i took the hit.
I had taken a bit of a risk with Photos.
i got stung. But i moved on quickly.
Nature rules in the end i figured.

4 months pass as i shut off for a few cold months of the winter.

OK- Spring comes- time to get back on track.
I run with a pair of TD's and some CC's... Something old/something new right....

WRONG!!!!

Both TD's produce Ball sacks which fully open and pollinate the remaining CC's.
I didn't even think Autos could Hermie- but i was clearly wrong on that.

Now I'm starting to sweat. My supplies are pretty much finished- i rely on my meds to help with various sleep related issues.

So i bung in 3 ANQ's to Germinate whilst i take apart my space- fully bleach it all.

Im now 35 days into my ANQ grow.
This morning i take them out into the daylight for a full inspection.
Low and behold-ANOTHER PAIR OF HERMIES!!!!!!
No pollen this time but the two hermies are a completely different shape (stretched with minor bud development). I break of a cylax or two and yep- there they are- mini seeds ripening instead of bud!

The remaining plant is looking good- but I'm not exactly confident with nearly a years worth of Hermies on my hands....

Needless to say- My DP Days are over.
Ive seen a number of grows on here going Tits up (or Balls up?).
To add to all this nightmare- Tony has been totally dicking me around saying DP would send me some seeds to say sorry.... then these seeds suddenly disappeared in the post (great so my address is now marked??)

Truth is- i don't want any free seeds now.
I've totally lost confidence in DP and talking to a few other reliable sources on here, I'm not alone.

Im sad to have to post such negative account having witnessed success in my beginnings - but this forum is designed for exactly this.

To spread honest experiences.

Sadly mine is not a good one... A year of energy/money/love/risk/commitment down the pan-
and most stressfully- I'm now out of herb

I bet all of the hermie sites were on the top of the buds. It's called heat stress and if your room has a reading of 85 degrees fahrenheit, then think about just below your light how hot it is. It's imperative that you keep track of the canopy temps, which most dont. It sounds to me like you need to keep your room a little more in check. I have grown hundreds of dp autos and only had three hermies. It was do to stress that I caused them and not my water or anything like that. I keep my room at a steady 75 degrees at the canopy.

 

[BillyWu]

Heya folks, just read through all of this thread. It's a shame some of you guys have had bad luck with hermies I've grown DP strains almost exclusively since I started growing, and the only hermies I had weren't DP. I personally think that it's going to be your temperatures, as Green Mtn posted. Heat stress is what I've found to be the primary cause for a hermie'd plant as I had it happen twice with two photoperiods.

Even though the last post in this thread was over a month and a half ago, I thought I'd step in and say that DP have always provided me with excellent customer service. I don't want to sound particularly biased, but I've been getting my seeds off them directly for quite a long time and they've consistently delivered in quality and support. Tony also posts here on AFN and provides assistance and encouragement, which is nice to see as well. I genuinely believe that you guys have had some bad luck and something has been wrong with your setup. If you read through this Dutch Passion sub forum, you can see that it has the highest amount of topics posted of any seed bank forum on this site. You can read through lots of other people's journals and see if anyone else has experienced anything similar

Seeing as some time has passed, have either of you (dirtbag or SirGreen) done any more grows with different tent conditions? If so I'd want to have a look and see if any still hermie'd

 

[G.Leave]

Ive heard stories of water being a direct link to hermy issues in certain places. Could that be the issue here perhaps?

I doubt 85 degrees would be enough to cause heat stress hermies. Myself and many others grow in 85 without a problem.

 

[Discretepete2676]

Ok----- My Hermie Conundrum continues.

I have a new CC on about day 30.
After successive Hermie grows I'm starting to loose the plot.

Its a little early to tell- but i noticed a few Calyx on the main stem had Brown pistols (seemed too early).
Im on high alert now in a desperate attempt to solve my hermie issues.
Im not 100% as its still really early- but it looks like i have tiny immature seeds in the Calyx again??
Im obviously now keeping a very close eye on the plant to see what happens.

The plant did grow a little weirdly- much more stretchy than other 2 Mazar. Much less Leaf- so i already questioned if it could be male?
But i was hoping that was a genetic feature and waiting patiently preying my suspicions are wrong.

I'll be dambed if i can't find whats repeatedly ball sacking my grows??

Temp are stable (20-30 Degrees Min Max).
Ample Light (2 GN MS006 and a Mars 2 700)
Good Soil
Good air flow
Light Nutes (AN Range Tangs Schedule) (could an older Additive in the range be causing hermies??- Im clasping straws here).
Tap water (sat out for 24 hrs before adding Nutes to declorinate??

I've cleaned my space a number of times. Bleached. Rinsed.
Really can't fathom why this keeps happening.
Could there really still be Pollen in my system? Its been a number of months since i had a banana situation- and I'm led to believe that pollen has a relatively short life span?

I've also now got a few alternate seeds from other companies on the go?
But I'm totally at a loss what can be going wrong.

Whats strange is that the plants don't even show male flowers (bananas etc).
They are just consistently growing Bud and Seed together???
I am sad to admit it, but if this last run of plants turn out seedy- I'm gonna have to retire my green gloves.

Just wish i could work out what the hell I'm doing wrong?

Hey @dirtbag, sorry to hear about this....I myself had this problem....but with a range of breeders over a short period of time....low yield, seeds, problem leaves the whole grow......I went through about a dozen plants checking everything and came up with two things....pollen left over from prior germs, which has been discussed, but what I've ducked myself is exactly what you grasped at....old nutrients....specifically seeing problems as soon as I started sensi bloom....as a final attempt I bought all new bloom set. When it arrived I did a simple test....one liter of RO water with calimagic added then bloom A and B from the old nutrients.....then I did the exact same with brand new bottles, I didn't check the PH.....because upon checking the PPM the old nutrients were about 150-200ppm higher then the new bottles mix.....but at the same time it was nearing about the months since pollen could have dropped and the problems seemed to dissipate while the new nutrients were used and I passed three months since pollen dropped....you have a ppm meter? I'd be more than happy to get your base water ppm and water with bloom schedule nutrients added up and compared with where mine are....too much nutes is very stressful I'd imagine....I'm no professional and not saying go buy new nutrients right away, just how things went down for me so maybe it can help you.....I was a little over half way through my bottles when problems began to occur....also the stain that hermied was a sour blues by mephisto, supposed to be a quick finished so I jump the schedule and was pushing it hard, I believe being the cause of hermie in the first plant and possible mix of pollen ( I didn't clean lol) and over fertilization? Hope we can get you figured out....need some other strains in there right away to help identify what's going on, pm if I can help with anything and or diagnose some results for you....
Just for us to help can you say what you mean by good soil and stuff when your describing your environment? Just so we can help eliminate things

 

[Green Mtn]

Ive heard stories of water being a direct link to hermy issues in certain places. Could that be the issue here perhaps?

I doubt 85 degrees would be enough to cause heat stress hermies. Myself and many others grow in 85 without a problem.

85 degrees is still a little much and if you have your thermometer on the ground or at plant height the readings will be different. If everything else is dialed in then 85 degrees is fine. Water could be the problem here, but environment is mostly the fault of hermie plants. I love dp auto strains. Doing a 16 plant two strain grow, with kind soil in 5 gallon root trapper pots. 2lbs per pot. 4 plants per 600w. Any suggestions on strains? Indica dominant or 100%. Auto of course. Thinking dp ww and Colorado cookies.

 

[Discretepete2676]

Ive heard stories of water being a direct link to hermy issues in certain places. Could that be the issue here perhaps?

I doubt 85 degrees would be enough to cause heat stress hermies. Myself and many others grow in 85 without a problem.

What if the water going in is 85, not just ambient room temp? Doesn't that put it toohot for the rhizophere or w.e.? Just taking shots too help out here?
Side note hope all is well skell!!!!

 

[G.Leave]

85 degrees is still a little much and if you have your thermometer on the ground or at plant height the readings will be different. If everything else is dialed in then 85 degrees is fine. Water could be the problem here, but environment is mostly the fault of hermie plants. I love dp auto strains. Doing a 16 plant two strain grow, with kind soil in 5 gallon root trapper pots. 2lbs per pot. 4 plants per 600w. Any suggestions on strains? Indica dominant or 100%. Auto of course. Thinking dp ww and Colorado cookies.

That's a good point about the placement of the thermostat. I just remember reading a similar situation, and the guy was going crazy and eventually mentioned it to a guy in a grow shop, and he said it was something in the local water that was the issue. Sure enough a water switch, and it was a problem of the past. One or two plants/strains I could see heat hermie, but repeated plant after plant?
Strain rec? Hmmm I just finished a few of the new DP strain outdoors and they are really fantastic plants. CC is a great strain(70 grams dry), but I would go with Daiquiri(156grams dry) or Autoultimate(still growing...huge!) if you want a bumper crop. Sativa based I am friggin psyched about the Brooklyn Sunrise(112 grams dry)...awesome smoke for sure!

 

[G.Leave]

What if the water going in is 85, not just ambient room temp? Doesn't that put it toohot for the rhizophere or w.e.? Just taking shots too help out here?
Side note hope all is well skell!!!!

Hey buddy...all is going well...hope you are having an excellent summer! That's a good question...is the water in room temp , set to 85degree room temp? That is warm for sure! I have no idea on whether or not that would have a negative impact?