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[Death The Cultivator]

Looking really good! I bet they smell amazing

Thanks. I can't say they really smell like anything right now lol. I think my smell is messed up.

Very cool, it looks a heck of a lot better than when Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, absentmindedly ordered 90.000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside

Have you seen this from Dubi a few days ago

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=8588668&postcount=43

Which brings up my eternal question once again about measuring EC, and using it as a yardstick for I really dunno what, how do you possibly know what those ppm's are composed of, what is the NPK ratios in your solution?

And being organic with microbes, what are they doing to the ratios and availability in the medium?

I like your move to a shorter light cycle, decreasing DLI boost flowering, I wonder if that also applies to autos. Someone with a big operation, 1000s of plants, should try to find out, and if so, kindly provide protocols and numbers lol :smoking:

I haven't seen that post.

I had between thinking about the EC on organics as well which led me to aiming for a simple approach. I would have a

Base nutrient - Botanicare Pure blend pro
Rooting supplement - Liquid Karma
Organic amendments - Azomite for silica, peat moss for ph buffering, Sea90 for trace elements, kelp meal

I'll have the trickle filter with a foam filter in one layer, lava rock for bacteria colonization, and peat moss at the lowest level for ph control. So what I imagine I'll do is get a base EC of around .7 and then add the amendments/microbes/enzymes and watch it from there. It would be even better if I wouldn't need to check the EC and only the PH it might even make hydroponics more forgiving with a thriving micro biology that will moderate, break down, and manage the nutrients/ph allowing larger swings with less problems.

I think DLI might only affect autos to a certain extent. There is probably money to be saved in running a hlg550 in a 4x4 without co2 with probably a 12/12 or 11/13 schedule from seed to finish but even starting with 14/10 until flower would be fine.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Day 62 - 8th Week of Flowering

Coco coir - 640ppm/6.1 ph

Jack's FeED 5-12-26/Growpito enzymes and microbes

78-84f Leaf Surface Temp - Night Time Temps 62-68f

50-58% RH

8" Light Height

Not much to say because I've never went 9 weeks into flower nor do I have experience with sativas so I don't know what to expect from here.

Bud pics though

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[Illini4life]

Day 62 - 8th Week of Flowering

Coco coir - 640ppm/6.1 ph

Jack's FeED 5-12-26/Growpito enzymes and microbes

78-84f Leaf Surface Temp - Night Time Temps 62-68f

50-58% RH

8" Light Height

Not much to say because I've never went 9 weeks into flower nor do I have experience with sativas so I don't know what to expect from here.

Bud pics though

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Lol no experience with these babes? Could have fooled me. Looks great my man

 

[Tony21]

Thanks. I can't say they really smell like anything right now lol. I think my smell is messed up.



I haven't seen that post.

I had between thinking about the EC on organics as well which led me to aiming for a simple approach. I would have a

Base nutrient - Botanicare Pure blend pro
Rooting supplement - Liquid Karma
Organic amendments - Azomite for silica, peat moss for ph buffering, Sea90 for trace elements, kelp meal

I'll have the trickle filter with a foam filter in one layer, lava rock for bacteria colonization, and peat moss at the lowest level for ph control. So what I imagine I'll do is get a base EC of around .7 and then add the amendments/microbes/enzymes and watch it from there. It would be even better if I wouldn't need to check the EC and only the PH it might even make hydroponics more forgiving with a thriving micro biology that will moderate, break down, and manage the nutrients/ph allowing larger swings with less problems.

I think DLI might only affect autos to a certain extent. There is probably money to be saved in running a hlg550 in a 4x4 without co2 with probably a 12/12 or 11/13 schedule from seed to finish but even starting with 14/10 until flower would be fine.

That's an interesting setup, very elaborate and I understand what you're trying to do, but my question remains, how do you know the NPK ratios, that is, how much of each is in the solution. I can mix up a 2.0 EC with no nitrogen, or no phosphor, whatever no problem.
The response time to correct any troubles with organics is longer than with minerals I've been told.

I've grown auto's alongside photos 12/12, the yield is roughly the same in the same time, but less that half if the auto had been grown under 18/6 or 20/4. Maybe it was the strain or I did something wrong, but I won't do auto's again 12/12, that's a waste of space I think, UNLESS maybe if they are given the same DLI in 12 hours as in 18 or 20 hours, and that intensi may be too much, but I suspect a plant can only take onboard so much per time unit. Mayne one day we'll know haha

Plants look their usual goodness

 

[Death The Cultivator]

That's an interesting setup, very elaborate and I understand what you're trying to do, but my question remains, how do you know the NPK ratios, that is, how much of each is in the solution. I can mix up a 2.0 EC with no nitrogen, or no phosphor, whatever no problem.
The response time to correct any troubles with organics is longer than with minerals I've been told.

I've grown auto's alongside photos 12/12, the yield is roughly the same in the same time, but less that half if the auto had been grown under 18/6 or 20/4. Maybe it was the strain or I did something wrong, but I won't do auto's again 12/12, that's a waste of space I think, UNLESS maybe if they are given the same DLI in 12 hours as in 18 or 20 hours, and that intensi may be too much, but I suspect a plant can only take onboard so much per time unit. Mayne one day we'll know haha

Plants look their usual goodness

The initial inputs are determined by the NPK values of the Pure blend pro which for this strain is around .7-.9 and everything else would be considered amendments. In my shallow theory, because I used only pure blend pro/liquid Karma for veg and some flower, is that the microbial population combined with a base nute set my base NPK ratios and everything else would be considered amendments. By having the microbial population, I have an invisible force for managing the nutritional needs of the root zone in a way that I cannot with salts. I didn't have any problems using the aforementioned products so I don't imagine I'll have issues adding the amendments as long as I know the amounts for my base nutrients. Worse case scenario I under feed but it will be a fun experience.

I would think that there is probably a sweet spot for autos when given a strong full spectrum in the range of 60+ DLI or 1500+ ppfd. There is probably some trial and error but I think that with current light tech that we can push intensity while modifying the schedule. I could be wrong and won't have a chance to grow autos for awhile but it's fun to think about

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Day 65 - 9th Week of Flowering


Coco coir - 590ppm/5.8 ph


Jack's FeED 5-12-26/Growpito enzymes and microbes


80-84f Leaf Surface Temp - Night Time Temps 68-72f


50-58% RH


8" Light Height


Took care of the clones today. Under feeding them but I'll fix tomorrow. They are in Growpito Sim Mix in 5 gallon buckets with Jack's FeED and Growpito enzymes and beneficials. I've trained them to the rims or beyond the edges of the buckets and made branchy monsters.


In the mean time I figured a 3/4 pvc 4-bucket system with the control bucket inside the tent and two 400gph pumps to flood and drain through 1/2 pvc. Probably just use a 40 gallon trash can and some WiFi timers. I think. I need to buy a new tent, my zippers are ripping fabric off lol.


Called Botanicare and found Pure blend pro wasn't OMRI because of the phosphorus and leonardite. I still like it better than Jack's FeED.


In the flower room I have buds fattening and some senescence/ph issues. My drippers keep clogging.


To the pictures

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[Illini4life]

Day 65 - 9th Week of Flowering


Coco coir - 590ppm/5.8 ph


Jack's FeED 5-12-26/Growpito enzymes and microbes


80-84f Leaf Surface Temp - Night Time Temps 68-72f


50-58% RH


8" Light Height


Took care of the clones today. Under feeding them but I'll fix tomorrow. They are in Growpito Sim Mix in 5 gallon buckets with Jack's FeED and Growpito enzymes and beneficials. I've trained them to the rims or beyond the edges of the buckets and made branchy monsters.


In the mean time I figured a 3/4 pvc 4-bucket system with the control bucket inside the tent and two 400gph pumps to flood and drain through 1/2 pvc. Probably just use a 40 gallon trash can and some WiFi timers. I think. I need to buy a new tent, my zippers are ripping fabric off lol.


Called Botanicare and found Pure blend pro wasn't OMRI because of the phosphorus and leonardite. I still like it better than Jack's FeED.


In the flower room I have buds fattening and some senescence/ph issues. My drippers keep clogging.


To the pictures

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Dude that's insane. Everytime I see this I get so envious. Goals right there. Keep up the good work!

 

[rick-j]

Day 65 - 9th Week of Flowering


Coco coir - 590ppm/5.8 ph


Jack's FeED 5-12-26/Growpito enzymes and microbes


80-84f Leaf Surface Temp - Night Time Temps 68-72f


50-58% RH


8" Light Height


Took care of the clones today. Under feeding them but I'll fix tomorrow. They are in Growpito Sim Mix in 5 gallon buckets with Jack's FeED and Growpito enzymes and beneficials. I've trained them to the rims or beyond the edges of the buckets and made branchy monsters.


In the mean time I figured a 3/4 pvc 4-bucket system with the control bucket inside the tent and two 400gph pumps to flood and drain through 1/2 pvc. Probably just use a 40 gallon trash can and some WiFi timers. I think. I need to buy a new tent, my zippers are ripping fabric off lol.


Called Botanicare and found Pure blend pro wasn't OMRI because of the phosphorus and leonardite. I still like it better than Jack's FeED.


In the flower room I have buds fattening and some senescence/ph issues. My drippers keep clogging.


To the pictures

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Man, what can I say---- you have got to be proud of those nice lookin girls!

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Day 68 - 9th Week of Flowering

Coco coir - 490ppm/5.5 ph

Jack's FeED 5-12-26/Growpito enzymes and microbes

80-84f Leaf Surface Temp - Night Time Temps 68-72f

50-54% RH

8" Light Height

I just wanted to highlight the 6 different phenos and how just about all their bud structures are different. ROOR lighter for reference.

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[Death The Cultivator]

Day 72 - 10th Week of Flowering


Coco coir - 440ppm/5.9 ph


Jack's FeED 5-12-26/Growpito enzymes and microbes


80-84f Leaf Surface Temp - Night Time Temps 68-72f


50-54% RH


8" Light Height


I have dropped the light schedule down to 9.5/14.5


Not much else going on

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