New Grower What do you think about defoilation?

[Cat]

I've learned so much from this thread. I might be defoliating too much and maybe it would be best if I just left it alone, but I only see nice results from allowing more light to the buds.

 

[Atulip]

I like defoliating autos.

But I also cram them in and go by the ole "easier to make them smaller than force them to grow bigger" philosophy.


Just leaf defoliation? Only when light penetration is really poor, but I do like a very heavy fan leaf defoliation a week or so before planned harvests. Lowers usually fatten up and mature a bit as a result.

 

[oldcoot]

wow, holy shit, wtf.
first off,sorry for my explanation,i did not lollypop this plant. it does look like it I guess.
Second sorry for saying I stripped her naked. what I meant was I did take leaves off the top and middle sections and did remove some lower limbs over the course of over a month and if need be,this late in flower I will continue to supercrop and remove some leaves if I think it will help.
This was not done all at once, this plant is 70 some days old.
now after 1 month of a plant that wasn't a ft high and thickly covered in hand sized leaves, that's when I really started removing leaves.
Now say what you want but every time I removed some leaves within 2 days other leaves had moved around and a growth spurt.
I understand its supposed to stress the plant but what I have seen is growth spurts instead.
Almost all those branches have started growing scince I did my defol.
I'm sorry for misleading anyone here, that is why I said I'm done here, I am new, only growing for 4 years so I have come to the conclusion I should just shut up.
I did not mean for this thread to get so heated.
Don't know whats right or wrong but at this point- I don't care, this works for me, I shall just shut my mouth and do what I do until I learn more.
I'll take my 8 oz's and be happy,its better than the 3 I might get if not touched.
just my noobie opinion !!

 

[witchyhour]

Amazon: that is because sun is moving over the sky. You could reach that also with light railing. That is not a case in tight spaces.
Here goes what i understand under fan leaves of cannabis (exactly fan leaves and exactly cannabis)
When new node grows - it has a fan leave or two (it happens even three) fan leaf. While node is developing - fan leaf are feeding it. After removing leaf that node stops to develop normally, but then (in veg) always will be another node after one!
So, let's go further. After node is developed and fan leaf is getting away from main stem on it's own stem - that leaf is no more a builder, it becomes a reservoir of food, food for predators (as was said before), also a protection from any kind of bad things that comes from feed. Yes, they do absorb light and yes, they do make bigger yields in open space, they partially feed bud sites also. But that is only partially, as buds are fed directly by sugar leaves. If removal of fingers / leaves is done just in time - that causes plant to defend itself and grow another green mass. In veg that is new leaf and nodes, and in flower that is more small fan leaf (more in size, not in qty) which are growing straight from the buds. These are important till last phase of ripening, they helps to develop bud sites with sugar leaf. And in the end these fan leaf are often eaten by plant it self and tossed away.
Resume: fan leaf are needed and if removed - that should be done with understanding and care. They are mainly for developing plant itself, till bud sites are fully in place. After that they are not so needed and can be removed, if that is needed. And that is needed when spaces are tight mainly. And main thing is - buds are mainly fed by sugar leaf, not fan leaf. That is mainly, so always need to remember, that if there is a method to bend and tie everything - better do that, do not cut. But if there isn't - do that. And always do that only if plant is healthy.
Here goes my plant with extreme defol. 0.12m2, CFLs. And im practicing more or less defol for more than 3 years now, can't imagine a grow in small space without that.
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Jaw-dropping plant! [emoji7] [emoji7] [emoji106]

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[KonopCh]

These leaves are not good for cannabutter, right? Only sugar leaves.

 

[witchyhour]

wow, holy shit, wtf.
first off,sorry for my explanation,i did not lollypop this plant. it does look like it I guess.
Second sorry for saying I stripped her naked. what I meant was I did take leaves off the top and middle sections and did remove some lower limbs over the course of over a month and if need be,this late in flower I will continue to supercrop and remove some leaves if I think it will help.
This was not done all at once, this plant is 70 some days old.
now after 1 month of a plant that wasn't a ft high and thickly covered in hand sized leaves, that's when I really started removing leaves.
Now say what you want but every time I removed some leaves within 2 days other leaves had moved around and a growth spurt.
I understand its supposed to stress the plant but what I have seen is growth spurts instead.
Almost all those branches have started growing scince I did my defol.
I'm sorry for misleading anyone here, that is why I said I'm done here, I am new, only growing for 4 years so I have come to the conclusion I should just shut up.
I did not mean for this thread to get so heated.
Don't know whats right or wrong but at this point- I don't care, this works for me, I shall just shut my mouth and do what I do until I learn more.
I'll take my 8 oz's and be happy,its better than the 3 I might get if not touched.
just my noobie opinion !!

You didn't do anything wrong, I think it's just a subject people are passionate about. Defoliation is considered a big no-no around the growers community and most people won't even listen to opposite thoughts on the subject.

I do it, against what just about everyone else says. It just makes sense to me, as removing leaves causes growth, usually by growing 2 leaves where there was just one. I learned this when I grew bonsais as a hobby.

It also makes me feel more connected and in touch with the plants, since I have to study them closely in order to decide which leaves or branches I'll remove, if any.

I'm considering doing a side-by-side comparison grow soon, so I can find out myself, definitely, which plant does better.

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[Son of Hobbes]

Hey guys just read the past two pages of this, there is some great information in this thread but let's cool it on the attitudes. No need whatsoever for it to get that heated and no one wants to see weiners waving around in the air, especially this early in the morning. I'll close this thread for 24 hours if it doesn't tone down, please just try to be respectful when posting your informative replies. Thanks!

 

[oldcoot]

@Son of Hobbes
This all started because of me i believe.
I do apoligize.
I was actually going to ask to lock the thread.
Sorry to all concerned.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

@Son of Hobbes
This all started because of me i believe.
I do apoligize.
I was actually going to ask to lock the thread.
Sorry to all concerned.

Apology accepted brother. Let's just keep it civil and cool, and we can keep posting if people want Passion's a double edged sword (and trust me, I say this as a guy who has this vein that pops out of his neck when he gets on a ROLL lol!)

 

[oldcoot]

@witchyhour .thanks i thought about doing that too but i can only grow one at a time.
I try to get 3 grows in a year which keeps wifee and i happy.