New Grower What do you think about defoilation?

[G.Leave]

Well I'm not saying you aren't growing good plants man... 5 pound plants is awesome.still doesn't mean defoliation is the reason. There are many other variables, perhaps if you pruned them instead of just defoilating like most of the AG industry they would be 8 or 10 pound plants, who knows. I guess there can be possibly no other variables to account for 5 pounds plants besides defoliation huh?

I grew out massive, massive plants with heavy canopies and they would repeatedly yield lower amounts for years. Not saying defoliation is the only factor, but it has been a positive factor from my own personal experience. Anyways, good luck on your grows, however you choose to execute them!

 

[witchyhour]

That's a lovely plant you have there. I follow a couple of people on this forum who defoliate and supercrop, with no bad effects. It makes so much more sense to allow as much light as possible to the buds, especially when the plant is sooo bushy. I'd be jumping with joy at 9oz.

Well, IMHO, plants create so many leaves because they're so important to the plants that they need to ensure they'll have enough, even if creatures decide to munch on them.

Now, when the plants spend their whole lives in a safe and controlled environment, they end up with too many leaves, causing problems for the plants.

I defoliate continuously as my plants grow. I look for leaves that, if removed, will open pockets for light to reach lower buds. I also remove any leaves that don't look healthy.

I do it to photos.

And I do it to autos.

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[Resinhound]

Nice plants man but plants don't grow alot of leaves for redundancy or because animals may eat them. They do it for a very specific reason. Efficiency.

It's known that leaves are not opaque, even though they may look it. There are spaces between the cells and fibers that light will pass through to the leaves beneath. Science today knows that plants layer leaves to gather as much light as possible to photosynthically active leaf surfaces. This is the most efficient way to gather light...

Look at the canopies in the Amazon rain forest, so thick it can't be seen through but yet the jungle floor teams with life... Leaves don't block light... Leaves are like a sieve, light passes through them and into another leaf. The more leaves are layered the more efficient light gathering is. Just stop and think about that for a moment...

 

[HolyTHC]

Amazon: that is because sun is moving over the sky. You could reach that also with light railing. That is not a case in tight spaces.
Here goes what i understand under fan leaves of cannabis (exactly fan leaves and exactly cannabis)
When new node grows - it has a fan leave or two (it happens even three) fan leaf. While node is developing - fan leaf are feeding it. After removing leaf that node stops to develop normally, but then (in veg) always will be another node after one!
So, let's go further. After node is developed and fan leaf is getting away from main stem on it's own stem - that leaf is no more a builder, it becomes a reservoir of food, food for predators (as was said before), also a protection from any kind of bad things that comes from feed. Yes, they do absorb light and yes, they do make bigger yields in open space, they partially feed bud sites also. But that is only partially, as buds are fed directly by sugar leaves. If removal of fingers / leaves is done just in time - that causes plant to defend itself and grow another green mass. In veg that is new leaf and nodes, and in flower that is more small fan leaf (more in size, not in qty) which are growing straight from the buds. These are important till last phase of ripening, they helps to develop bud sites with sugar leaf. And in the end these fan leaf are often eaten by plant it self and tossed away.
Resume: fan leaf are needed and if removed - that should be done with understanding and care. They are mainly for developing plant itself, till bud sites are fully in place. After that they are not so needed and can be removed, if that is needed. And that is needed when spaces are tight mainly. And main thing is - buds are mainly fed by sugar leaf, not fan leaf. That is mainly, so always need to remember, that if there is a method to bend and tie everything - better do that, do not cut. But if there isn't - do that. And always do that only if plant is healthy.
Here goes my plant with extreme defol. 0.12m2, CFLs. And im practicing more or less defol for more than 3 years now, can't imagine a grow in small space without that.

 

[Resinhound]

Amazon: that is because sun is moving over the sky. You could reach that also with light railing. That is not a case in tight spaces.
Here goes what i understand under fan leaves of cannabis (exactly fan leaves and exactly cannabis)
When new node grows - it has a fan leave or two (it happens even three) fan leaf. While node is developing - fan leaf are feeding it. After removing leaf that node stops to develop normally, but then (in veg) always will be another node after one!
So, let's go further. After node is developed and fan leaf is getting away from main stem on it's own stem - that leaf is no more a builder, it becomes a reservoir of food, food for predators (as was said before), also a protection from any kind of bad things that comes from feed. Yes, they do absorb light and yes, they do make bigger yields in open space, they partially feed bud sites also. But that is only partially, as buds are fed directly by sugar leaves. If removal of fingers / leaves is done just in time - that causes plant to defend itself and grow another green mass. In veg that is new leaf and nodes, and in flower that is more small fan leaf (more in size, not in qty) which are growing straight from the buds. These are important till last phase of ripening, they helps to develop bud sites with sugar leaf. And in the end these fan leaf are often eaten by plant it self and tossed away.
Resume: fan leaf are needed and if removed - that should be done with understanding and care. They are mainly for developing plant itself, till bud sites are fully in place. After that they are not so needed and can be removed, if that is needed. And that is needed when spaces are tight mainly. And main thing is - buds are mainly fed by sugar leaf, not fan leaf. That is mainly, so always need to remember, that if there is a method to bend and tie everything - better do that, do not cut. But if there isn't - do that. And always do that only if plant is healthy.
Here goes my plant with extreme defol. 0.12m2, CFLs. And im practicing more or less defol for more than 3 years now, can't imagine a grow in small space without that.
View attachment 606216

Ok I stand corrected if you are growing in a shoebox, then you Probably need to defoilate.

 

[Eyes on Fire]

Ok dude instead of yapping like you know ALL why dont you tell us why YOU said I can agree with selective pruning then proceed to tell us that we are all wrong whom do autos and photos professionally and teach all over the globe too. you sir are a close minded fool.and yes Idda said these things(prolly more in all honesty) to your face.but nicely though LOL! so regale us with your tale of awesome then man!! Im waiting.and dude,I read all the time and dude,you couldnt touch me if you were a microbe dude.you sound closed off and bias.

been doing this for not too far from 30 years off and on my entire life just about. all across the eastern seaboard.I would like you to explain WHY and HOW Im wrong in your words,NOT copy and paste BS nor anything else. and then proceed to tell me again without relying on others write ups (which again can and are bias at times depending) to pass your arguments. thats like this one chucklehead that kept yapping jorge cervantes vids saying dont EVER defoliate ever.. well what about over leafed plants?they exsist?They do,disease prevention and so on. worked on em they do firstly and again you agreed about selective pruning we're are NOT yapping about rolling off a dozen fans or sunleaves all day. MAN is it me or am i the only one catching this..why do you continue to be a moron and agree then tell us we are dumb then agree again..WTF!! your an asshole dude. and again Im not flaming nope,idda said this right to your face without any reservation.

 

[HolyTHC]

Go cure your self, man. Your manner of talking is sick and i am not able even read whole your text there. And put in your head one thing - there is no black and white, everything is gray. Same goes for everything - there are no one truth almost on everything. And only on some things you could be certain - thats when some dude is insulting you ant what kind of man is that.
Whto the fuck do you think you are so you could talk to me this way?

 

[Cat]

Amazon: that is because sun is moving over the sky. You could reach that also with light railing. That is not a case in tight spaces.
Here goes what i understand under fan leaves of cannabis (exactly fan leaves and exactly cannabis)
When new node grows - it has a fan leave or two (it happens even three) fan leaf. While node is developing - fan leaf are feeding it. After removing leaf that node stops to develop normally, but then (in veg) always will be another node after one!
So, let's go further. After node is developed and fan leaf is getting away from main stem on it's own stem - that leaf is no more a builder, it becomes a reservoir of food, food for predators (as was said before), also a protection from any kind of bad things that comes from feed. Yes, they do absorb light and yes, they do make bigger yields in open space, they partially feed bud sites also. But that is only partially, as buds are fed directly by sugar leaves. If removal of fingers / leaves is done just in time - that causes plant to defend itself and grow another green mass. In veg that is new leaf and nodes, and in flower that is more small fan leaf (more in size, not in qty) which are growing straight from the buds. These are important till last phase of ripening, they helps to develop bud sites with sugar leaf. And in the end these fan leaf are often eaten by plant it self and tossed away.
Resume: fan leaf are needed and if removed - that should be done with understanding and care. They are mainly for developing plant itself, till bud sites are fully in place. After that they are not so needed and can be removed, if that is needed. And that is needed when spaces are tight mainly. And main thing is - buds are mainly fed by sugar leaf, not fan leaf. That is mainly, so always need to remember, that if there is a method to bend and tie everything - better do that, do not cut. But if there isn't - do that. And always do that only if plant is healthy.
Here goes my plant with extreme defol. 0.12m2, CFLs. And im practicing more or less defol for more than 3 years now, can't imagine a grow in small space without that.
View attachment 606216

That is a real bush of a plant! Great info you share

 

[Eyes on Fire]

@HolyTHC im not talking to you dude. i totally agree nothing but grey and there is no real right,its what works for ppl in the grow environment that they use,its simple and defoliation can be needed to be done in rare cases as far a whole leaf taking but the discussion Im yapping about is more of a finger or two on a small handful of leaves and growing through a sun shade cloth(extra thick rather) essentially a leaf and lacks below the leaf verses letting a small bit more light in to that piece of budling growing below.thats all Im say and all I have said essentially. but again Im not talking about nor to you bro. and Im just that kinda guy and thats how I talk.I think hes wrong on a variety of levels and I say exatly that with no holds barred either. but I do try and say it nice but i get raked for saying what we and I think? sorry man that offends you bro truly but thats the type of person i am.

 

[Eyes on Fire]

cuz I thought this was more about weather the small finger taking or smaller defoliation techniques were doable,and i think we had all mostly agreed within reason and then I get more of makes no sense and Im wrong. with what works for me I dont like to be told Im wrong with my own proven results thats all.and in my un respected opinion ,yet humble opinion mind you since Im just an honest military guy and speak openly and honestly(again sorry for calling anyone an asshole actually) and when someone wake up and see that yet again ya kinda get a lil agro ,right? ho wouldnt.I rwad books all the time and improvise what works well for and with my style as others are here trying to develop not argue weather its fully right or wrong .lets talk about finger taking and smaller boxing of leaves and LST for improvement of yield and performance. thats why man.