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oh there is one other reason I need let PE go little longer besides the trics not being ready, is she just got last nutrients this past week and I only gave her about 4liters water since then, so after 3-4liters more I think she will be ripened enough to take. two more waterings or so should do it. I want make sure no chemical taste from nutes, plus usually I take after they sit in dark usually any remaining will be in roots or should be.