Indoor Ryker604's Indoor Extravaganza feat. AutoPots, BioTabs, HID lights and 17 plants

[tripaholic88]

CM's in the bottom row have been hit the hardest with the top yellowing

maybe time for that added calmag. my plants under my cobs eat calmag like crazy

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

@Ryker604 do you use any sort of root stem for your young plants mate? Or just the biotabs soil mix and water?

Cheers buddy

 

[Ryker604_BT]

No journals mate. Only doing photos at the moment and nobody here cares about them understandably.

630w of CMH in a 1.2x1.2 is probably overkill for autos mate. Personally I think 600w of HPS is probably more than enough for AUTOS. Photoperiods need a lot more light though.

I’m thinking 9 x 50w cobs per 1.2x1.2 mate. Reckon that would kill it. 450w of cob light is some serious illumination! It’s pretty cheap now, around 30 quid per 50w cob unit and then the driver/s. Prices have come down since I last made a light.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

First of all, I got to agree with @stoney T , I care too . No, really, I follow a couple of photo journals here and soak up the info preparing for my first photo grow . Stoney's got some Glueberry and Passion Fruit photos from DP running, right?

Second, you think? Didn't know that photos required more light, I reckoned that plants had a daily max amount of light (?) they could take in and didn't think that the difference between autos and photos is that severe .

However, I do agree about the 9 x 50 W COBs for that space, that seems to be ideal . What kind of heat would that setup put out? Compared to HPS?

Yep, simples. Close the tap on the res (if you remembered to fit it).

I then put bio pk in the empty pot trays after a dry spell. They suck it up so quick!!

Here's your answer @stoney T , I do the exact same thing, close the tap for a day-day and a half and then top feed Bio PK. And boy do they ever suck it up, greedy bastards .

Do you top your autos?

Yes I do mate . Next update will contain topping .

Haha I'll try and do one then mate. Once the Blues and DiscoBiscuits are flowering I'll get something up. Man I can't wait to try the biscuits!

Also @Ryker604 & Stoney, I think I have settled on 300w of 4000k cobs and 150w of 3000k cobs. Use the 4000k for veg and early flowering, then add in the 3000k for main flowering? This will be for the photos. What you reckon mate? Those spectrums pretty much match the daylight/agro bulbs for the 315 CMH lights. Most of the citizen cob spectrums are fairly close in terms of the red end, its the lower end that varies a little. 4000k still has a decent amount of red, but more blue end also so a little less stretch in veg.

Just ordered a HyperFan Stealth and big Can-Lite filter. A first for me!

So you're going for Citizen? May I ask why (no preferences, just for info)? Are all those lights going in one fixture or are they going to be separated? I would go with 250/200 W but if you're right about the slight difference in red then more 4000K is better I suppose.

I'm using Can-Lite filters and I'm mostly satisfied with them (but can't say that I have much experience with filters :smoking.

Question for anyone here........

Is internodal spacing decided in early veg? Thats to say, if you start plants under T5 to get tight node spacing, and then veg proper under say 3500k cobs, will the node spacing increase due to the red light in the cob spectrum or is that set when young? I have definitely noticed using 3500k cobs for the full life of the plant means some fairly stretchy plants, with spaced out nodes. Too much red in the spectrum apparently.

From experience, wouldn't say that it is decided in early veg. Did a little bit of research now because of this question, on my MH bulb (SunMaster Cool Deluxe 600W), the tech sheet says 10000 K and I gotta say this bulb cuts the canopy like a laser, doesn't let them get closer than 40 cm and internodal spacing is super tight (even too tight sometimes). But when I switch for HPS during preflower where they still stretch, genetics come into play more it seems and plants expand their internodal spacing and stretch freely, some more than others .

Shit, hope this helps, somewhat a mess of an answer .

maybe time for that added calmag. my plants under my cobs eat calmag like crazy

They grew out of it in a couple of days. I've read somewhere that it takes time for dolomite lime to become "active" in the substrate (as do BioTabs), so I guess it needed a couple of watering and some bacteria work to become available to the plants. But probably should've at least sprayed some calmag on them.

Better luck next time :smoking:. Thinking about preparing the coco 10 days before potting, to let it brew for a while .

@Ryker604 do you use any sort of root stem for your young plants mate? Or just the biotabs soil mix and water?

Cheers buddy

Don't know if I quite follow you mate, root stem? When I ask Google, it mostly tries to define the difference between root and stem, sorry .


Phew, what a reply, took me almost 30 minutes . Update coming soon.

 

[Ryker604_BT]

DAY 18

Let's what's happening in the tent a couple of days after - first up is the Meph tent.

Conditions:




Group shots:






Up next the mixed tent - most of the girls here still yellowing, so I probably could assume that the Cherry Bombs, Cosmic Queens and Double Grapes are a little bit less finicky than the other bunch .

Anyhow, conditions:




Group shots - notice how the NQ and CM with the slow starts are cruising along normally now :






So, today I've decided to behead some of the girls , seeing as they grew some and are showing a steady rhythm now.
Girls that were topped: all Double Grapes, all Cosmic Queens (except the runt), one Cream Mandarine and one Night Queen. Most of them were topped at the 4th node.

Mephisto tent after topping - you can see their little heads besides them :




Night Queen after topping:






That's all for now folks, feel free to shoot some shit in the thread :smoking:.

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

Before i read the update...

DLi / daily light - autos on 24 hour light need half the wattage of photos on 12 hour light mate. Half the light for twice as long. Simples

Autos grow well on sod all light mate. Up to a point!

Heat - 450w would be warm but not 600w hps warm i reckon.

Citizen - really good chips and as cheap as ......... chips! Well proven and only slightly inferior to expensive ones, if it all.

Nice info about nodal spacing mate The higher the spectrum number, the bluer it is and the tighter the nodes will be. I used a 6700k T5 for early veg on my photos and have much tighter nodes than usual. Should up my yield a bit.

Sorry, root STIM! Like i'm using root tonic on my photos. Root promoter.

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

Nice update dude. Looking good.

Is your floor cold mate? That can put the bio beasts in the coco to sleep so to speak. Or is the little bit of yellowing just transplant stress?

 

[tripaholic88]

They grew out of it in a couple of days. I've read somewhere that it takes time for dolomite lime to become "active" in the substrate (as do BioTabs), so I guess it needed a couple of watering and some bacteria work to become available to the plants. But probably should've at least sprayed some calmag on them.

Better luck next time :smoking:. Thinking about preparing the coco 10 days before potting, to let it brew for a while .

ahh so they should be getting that soon i bet prepping the pots ahead of time would defintly help

Citizen - really good chips and as cheap as ......... chips! Well proven and only slightly inferior to expensive ones, if it all.

yup i use Citizen chips also and love em for the same reasons as you stated

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

ahh so they should be getting that soon i bet prepping the pots ahead of time would defintly help

yup i use Citizen chips also and love em for the same reasons as you stated

Yeah man, I've built a few lights with them and nobody has had a single issue so far (except calmag def!!). 10 quid a pop for gen 6, whats not to like

 

[Ryker604_BT]

Before i read the update...

DLi / daily light - autos on 24 hour light need half the wattage of photos on 12 hour light mate. Half the light for twice as long. Simples

Autos grow well on sod all light mate. Up to a point!

Heat - 450w would be warm but not 600w hps warm i reckon.

Citizen - really good chips and as cheap as ......... chips! Well proven and only slightly inferior to expensive ones, if it all.

Nice info about nodal spacing mate The higher the spectrum number, the bluer it is and the tighter the nodes will be. I used a 6700k T5 for early veg on my photos and have much tighter nodes than usual. Should up my yield a bit.

Sorry, root STIM! Like i'm using root tonic on my photos. Root promoter.

Riiiiiight, totally didn't take into account that photos need 12 hours of light in flowering (lacking experience there heh), makes sense now .

Yeah, I know about K, but really didn't expect that this bulb has 10000 K, don't want it to be detrimental in some way.

Thought that you meant something like that, no, nothing except Myco from BioTabs, don't think that it's necessary . Thoughts?

Nice update dude. Looking good.

Is your floor cold mate? That can put the bio beasts in the coco to sleep so to speak. Or is the little bit of yellowing just transplant stress?

Thanks dude . Don't think that it's cold really, my vote goes to transplant stress and adjusting to new medium, but I'll check the floor better next time, got snowstorms coming in the next days .

ahh so they should be getting that soon i bet prepping the pots ahead of time would defintly help

yup i use Citizen chips also and love em for the same reasons as you stated

Yeah, calmag worries are a smaller this grow, but still showing signs . They really seem to like their calmag once they develop a lot of budsites.

 

[Hippy_BiotabsF70]

Riiiiiight, totally didn't take into account that photos need 12 hours of light in flowering (lacking experience there heh), makes sense now .

Yeah, I know about K, but really didn't expect that this bulb has 10000 K, don't want it to be detrimental in some way.

Thought that you meant something like that, no, nothing except Myco from BioTabs, don't think that it's necessary . Thoughts?




Thanks dude . Don't think that it's cold really, my vote goes to transplant stress and adjusting to new medium, but I'll check the floor better next time, got snowstorms coming in the next days .




Yeah, calmag worries are a smaller this grow, but still showing signs . They really seem to like their calmag once they develop a lot of budsites.

Was just thinking about the roots on my photos, but its comparing apples with oranges. I have been giving them full dose of root stim every day, and the roots are bloody mental. Never had anything like it before. But I'm guessing thats probably photoperiods and potting up a few times.

Don't think the 10000k will be an issue until flower time dude?