Nutrients Prescription Blend Grows SweetSeeds in AutoPots - Test by Only1Sky

[Only1Sky]

Day 21 - topped both Trainwrecks today at their 5th node. Here's before and after for the Prescription Blend plant:

And then the before and after view of the GreenLeaf plant:

 

[Only1Sky]

Getting some cal-mag deficiencies showing up on the Prescription Blend Killer Kush plant. For the past week I noticed that she was a little paler than her Megacrop twin. Then 2 days ago I spotted the tell-tale signs. Today I gave her a liter of PB (veg mix) but added 2.5 mg of a cal-mag supplement. None of the other 3 stains are showing any of these issues on PB.

 

[Prescription Blend]

Getting some cal-mag deficiencies showing up on the Prescription Blend Killer Kush plant. For the past week I noticed that she was a little paler than her Megacrop twin. Then 2 days ago I spotted the tell-tale signs. Today I gave her a liter of PB (veg mix) but added 2.5 mg of a cal-mag supplement. None of the other 3 stains are showing any of these issues on PB.

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Yes, this one does seem to want a little more then the others. Is this strain a heavy feeder? I ask because it almost looks like it needs an overall higher strength nutrient. What week on the chart were you using when you mixed?

I am going to post a link to a video that one of our customers made about the way he mixes nutrients, he says in the comments that he does chose to add a little cal/mg every other week or so. We will be adding info about this and other specifics on our website, what to watch for etc. and will end up adding a cal/mg product for those people that find they need the extra.

Ill go back and add this to the original thread where we were talking about mixing, this is only one example and not everyone does things the same way.

 

[Only1Sky]

@Prescription Blend -- thanks for video, helpful to see that he puts an importance on the sequence of how nutrients are added. I've typically never paid much attention to the order, except that for some reason I always add off-vendor supplements (such as cal-mag) last. He advocates adding it first and/or also adding the Bio-Si first. So, ok. I can do that. I'll be mixing up a new batch tomorrow, and will make a special version (a bit stronger) for the Killer Kush plant. Today I topped her, 'cause he growth is decent despite the paleness and deficiency.

Edit .. oh, I forgot to say, the mix is the recommended formula for weeks 3 & 4.

 

[Waira]

Hi mates!

Yup, agreed 'Sky, that's Ca defc. acting up,... could be the pheno' and/or the LED lighting causing or magnifying it...
Here's the deal on why the order is important. Ca-Mg is usually at least in part carbonate based (CO3- - ); carbonate is what's involved with pH buffering in aqueous solutions, snapping up an H+ and forming bicarbonate HCO3-... Adding that in first helps both distribute that carbonate around evenly, and have it add to the buffering effect before the other stronger influencing stuff goes in, lending more pH stability (in theory!)... Also, conc. Ca-Mg going into a loaded nute solution may have the potential for a bad cross reaction with other things, especially sulfate! Ca++ and SO4- - like each other a bit too much, and nobody wants frikkin' gypsum flocculant created in their bucket!
For the Si supp', if that's the typical potassium silicate compound, then it can have pH raising effects, at least alone it does, I'm not sure about that in the case of this blend of goodies in that part of the program?
great video, notice how fast the pH drops when he adds the Core's in? wooo -- speedy chemistry shizzle going down in there! Also note that his starting water was in the 8's, pretty alkaline meaning (probably) loaded with mineral CaCO3 already... even so, it still ended up too acidic and needed adjusting... I don't recommend baking soda because of the damn Na in it, toxic at low levels, and added in constantly may bring it into problem causing levels,.. Use a proper pH adjuster instead...
Regardless, you can do a foliar spray with that Kelp-ful and a Ca-Mg supp at half strength.. fastest way in, plus the fulvic in the kelp-ful will really power the goods in there! Do you have a wetting agent? Gotta use that to make the soln. coat and stick better, not just bead up,.. spray bottoms of leave as well, more stomata located there vs. topside, and that's the only way into the plant (unless you have Optic Foliar Transport which allows temporary penetration through the cuticle layer, hauling the nutes with it)....

I am going to post a link to a video that one of our customers made about the way he mixes nutrients, he says in the comments that he does chose to add a little cal/mg every other week or so. We will be adding info about this and other specifics on our website, what to watch for etc. and will end up adding a cal/mg product for those people that find they need the extra.

nicely done video here, showing well how the inputs can shift pH!

 

[Only1Sky]

@Waira - holy flocculant dude, you rock. I've been quite perplexed over the past 18+ months as to why my AutoPot reservoir/feed lines occasionally clog due to a nasty sediment/slurry that seems to precipitate out of my nutrient mix (especially with Greenleaf, but even sometimes with Advanced Nutrients).
Of course, I've always been adding the cal-mag supplement last. Have I been flocculating myself with an overdose of stupidity? That stops today.

And great tip on the foliar spray. I'll start that today. I don't have a wetting agent per se, but I do have the Optic Foliar trio (Transport, Watts & Rev), which I use once a week on all my plants during veg thru early bloom. So I will mix up a special spray with Transport, Kelp-Ful and Cal-mag. Would it be OK to also include the Watts & Rev? And if so, would it be a problem if I used that on a daily basis?

And super thanks for expanding my vocabulary. Your "frikkin' gypsum flocculant" sent me to the internet's dictionary -- something that rarely happens to this lad with a literature degree from Harvard. Now I want to use it every day. So applicable to so many things ....

When I gaze skyward at night, I now know I may be looking at a flocculent spiral galaxy.​

When I stare down into my reservoir, I can see the genesis of floc soup.​

When I look into my mind, I see that emotions are the flocculant that binds impurities of thought to cloud clear perceptions.​

Hum, too bad I never studied chemistry. .... well, maybe not. No need with Waira at hand.

 

[blue]

Hey 01S

Looking nice (aside from the little calmag demon) .. I was going to showoff my big brain and recite the words of wisdom about silicates .. then noticed you have silicates ...
Moment of glory ..... Ruined!!

Hum, too bad I never studied chemistry. .... well, maybe not. No need with Waira at hand.

That's exactly the way i feel at the start of every grow! ... I'll never worry about cation exchange capacites and floculants again!

I was initially confused as i started blending chickpeas with tahini and garlic and just couldn't get the blend to mix with my nutrients .... turns out it was humic acid that she wanted me to add .... not HUMMUSSS

ps. Waira .... no ....i will NEVER tire of it!! ^_^

 

[Waira]

,.... y'all too funny!

'Sky, I can't be sure if that's the case with your situation, but it very well could be... we'll find out soon enough when you make a fresh batch! Do you happen to have a TDS/EC reading going in? And what's you water source, pH, ppm?
If it's possible, can you take a pic of the floccy badness before you toss it? I'd like to get some hydro-savvy eyes on it... I'm not a hydro guy, so this fun I have missed so far-

And great tip on the foliar spray. I'll start that today. I don't have a wetting agent per se, but I do have the Optic Foliar trio (Transport, Watts & Rev), which I use once a week on all my plants during veg thru early bloom. So I will mix up a special spray with Transport, Kelp-Ful and Cal-mag. Would it be OK to also include the Watts & Rev? And if so, would it be a problem if I used that on a daily basis?

oh snap! If you have Transport, you don't need wetting agent anyway, and run the foliar nutes at half strength, try to keep ppm under 500-ish, better still, use RO/Di/low ppm water... Do check and adjust the pH to normal range though,... For the sake of caution, I'd skip the Watts and Rev, and maybe test on a leaf or two first, wait a day.... I don't expect any prob's, but never having done this with this nute line, be conservative!
Use the special blend spray a couple times and then go back to normal OF applications,... halting of progression is what you're looking for, not reversal of symptoms like with Mg or N defc.,...

And super thanks for expanding my vocabulary. Your "frikkin' gypsum flocculant" sent me to the internet's dictionary -- something that rarely happens to this lad with a literature degree from Harvard. Now I want to use it every day. So applicable to so many things ....

well, you know,...that's my Biology geek-speak coming out, all scientific and shit- ... I love to dazzle and baffle my luvie @blue here with it all the time!
... makes her frisky

When I gaze skyward at night, I now know I may be looking at a flocculent spiral galaxy.When I stare down into my reservoir, I can see the genesis of floc soup.When I look into my mind, I see that emotions are the flocculant that binds impurities of thought to cloud clear perceptions.

nice piece spoken there mate,... just don't look down too long, it'll make you nauseous!

Looking nice (aside from the little calmag demon) .. I was going to showoff my big brain and recite the words of wisdom about silicates .. then noticed you have silicates ...
Moment of glory ..... Ruined!!

only now, after all the brow-beating I do on you about this, now you want to tout the Wisdom of Confuse-us? .... Fie Blooo, I cast thee into the Wheel of Confusion!! ... just because I'm a slave to your whims,...

That's exactly the way i feel at the start of every grow! ... I'll never worry about cation exchange capacites and floculants again!

I was initially confused as i started blending chickpeas with tahini and garlic and just couldn't get the blend to mix with my nutrients .... turns out it was humic acid that she wanted me to add .... not HUMMUSSS

ps. Waira .... no ....i will NEVER tire of it!! ^_^

ooooh, bonus points for the pun! *ding ding ding*

 

[Only1Sky]

For comparison, here's the two Killer Kushes today, day 22. Prescription Blend is the one on the left, and she's just had a proper misting with OF Transport, cal-mag, a tisch of Kelp Extract, and a touch of PB Kelp-Ful.

 

[Only1Sky]

Topped both Jack 47s today. Its their day 26 and they're both pretty content in AutoPots and under CobShop's AutoCobs. Before & after photos.