hmm pickle as in like a vinegar scent? sounds interesting.
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I meant it smells like the kind of herbal flavoring that would often be paired with pickles, rather than the vinegar itself. Like a "pickle jar spice" herb. It also suggests Scandinavian food and aquavit (which is kind of like gin made with caraway instead of juniper). It isn't dill or caraway, exactly, but another note from the same chord. There's a bright green herbal scent, possibly with a little carvone in the background, and carvone on its own smells dead-on like caraway seeds to me. (I have a terpene sample kit from Paraphenalia Social Club but I'm only partway through learning them.)
To be clear: I like the smell.
I just can't put my finger on it.
I'm trying a different drying / curing process and that seems to go well. The APBE was hanging whole in a tent in my basement (58-60% RH, 63-65F) for a bit over a week, then moved to a closed paper bag which I kept inside a tied plastic bag, and I took out the paper bag daily to let it breathe for a bit. I'm doing the same process with the JEMs, which will go to bags within a few days. Probably sooner for #1, since it has so few leaves and is likely drying faster.
I dry trimmed the APBE last night and jarred it up. The long petioles and very few sugar leaves made trimming quite easy -- it only took a half hour start to finish, including cleanup. There's a very full quart jar, stable around 62% RH now, a bit over 35g. The flower looks cured enough to try soon.
I dry trimmed the APBE last night and jarred it up. The long petioles and very few sugar leaves made trimming quite easy -- it only took a half hour start to finish, including cleanup. There's a very full quart jar, stable around 62% RH now, a bit over 35g. The flower looks cured enough to try soon.
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Maybe the JEM smell is both chiral forms of carvone?
What I'm describing as pickle herb smell could be a mix of both chiral forms of carvone, perhaps -- the wikipedia page has a subheading Stereoisomerism and odor, which says "Carvone forms two mirror image forms or enantiomers: R-(−)-carvone, has a sweetish minty smell, like spearmint leaves. Its mirror image, S-(+)-carvone, has a spicy aroma with notes of rye, like caraway seeds." That sounds close, though I'd say "fresh, herbal, green" over "sweetish minty". I've grown plants before that produced one or both mirror images of linalool; one smells like lavender, the other more like Fruity Pebbles, quite different from each other to the nose.
Whatever it is, it's the dominant note in all three JEMs (#2 is just a bit stronger smelling than the other two), and not something that has been prominent in anything else I've grown yet.
Whatever it is, it's the dominant note in all three JEMs (#2 is just a bit stronger smelling than the other two), and not something that has been prominent in anything else I've grown yet.
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Quick reviews
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Now that I've been able to try all these several times, some quick reviews.
- Walter White bx1
#1: I love this one. Deeply chill, happy, kind of cerebral high. Spacey, but not too spacey to think deep about stuff. Low odor during the grow, quick to finish, all around excellent.
#2: Also very nice, but I prefer #1. #2 reminds me a bit more of Wizard's Apprentice effects-wise, just a little more spacey/stony.
- Pakistan Ryder
Physical, narcotic, couchlock, sleepy. Feels medicinal and deeply healing. Great "heavy indica" effects, though the woody/incense smell that appeared late in the grow doesn't really carry to the flavor and the vapor feels a bit rough in the throat.
- Sweet Trainwreck Auto
Very potent. After curing it has a savory and kind of chemical flavor. Stony, physical, very heavy. Makes me easily overstimulated, though.
- Bobby's Widow
Bland taste, flat sleepy high. This was my least favorite of the bunch. I only tried flower from one female, and maybe I just had bad luck with that one, but between that and two of the three males having intersex traits (one worse than anything else I've ever seen) I'm not that interested in trying it further.
- JEM
I'm a big fan of the JEM, though. The Gnome Automatics website used to say ~13% THC and ~3% CBG, and that sounds spot on to me. It's quite pleasant, with an initial mood boost and physically soothing (both probably from the CBG), and then gently stony in a way that sneaks up on me, but overall pretty functional. I also like its weird terp profile -- it smells like caraway seed and dill, and tastes like seedy rye bread. (I'm pretty sure it's carvone dominant.) The high is a bit short-lived, maybe due to the lower THC %, but I find the THC+CBG combination really appealing. (It isn't just about CBG, though: I've tried all-CBG flower before, and mixed it with THC flower, but I like the JEM a lot more.) The flower from the three plants is quite similar: #2 had a little more dill smell, #1 is a little more crystally and possibly slightly more potent, but they are all clearly cut from the same cloth.
My JEM pollen saved from when I got all males last year was no longer viable, so I didn't have any luck making seeds this time around either, but I'll grow several of them again later. I definitely want to keep it around.
- Auto Purple Bastard Eater
This one was really cool, too. It's got a weird creeper high, physically relaxing but otherwise mostly mental: Spacey and very long-lasting, thought provoking but with little short term memory, limiting focus to the moment. At harvest the flower smelled berry-ish, but after curing it smells and tastes like hoppy cantaloupe. It's such a weird looking plant and was really fun to grow. I want to grow more and cross the ABC trait into other lines.
- Walter White bx1
#1: I love this one. Deeply chill, happy, kind of cerebral high. Spacey, but not too spacey to think deep about stuff. Low odor during the grow, quick to finish, all around excellent.
#2: Also very nice, but I prefer #1. #2 reminds me a bit more of Wizard's Apprentice effects-wise, just a little more spacey/stony.
- Pakistan Ryder
Physical, narcotic, couchlock, sleepy. Feels medicinal and deeply healing. Great "heavy indica" effects, though the woody/incense smell that appeared late in the grow doesn't really carry to the flavor and the vapor feels a bit rough in the throat.
- Sweet Trainwreck Auto
Very potent. After curing it has a savory and kind of chemical flavor. Stony, physical, very heavy. Makes me easily overstimulated, though.
- Bobby's Widow
Bland taste, flat sleepy high. This was my least favorite of the bunch. I only tried flower from one female, and maybe I just had bad luck with that one, but between that and two of the three males having intersex traits (one worse than anything else I've ever seen) I'm not that interested in trying it further.
- JEM
I'm a big fan of the JEM, though. The Gnome Automatics website used to say ~13% THC and ~3% CBG, and that sounds spot on to me. It's quite pleasant, with an initial mood boost and physically soothing (both probably from the CBG), and then gently stony in a way that sneaks up on me, but overall pretty functional. I also like its weird terp profile -- it smells like caraway seed and dill, and tastes like seedy rye bread. (I'm pretty sure it's carvone dominant.) The high is a bit short-lived, maybe due to the lower THC %, but I find the THC+CBG combination really appealing. (It isn't just about CBG, though: I've tried all-CBG flower before, and mixed it with THC flower, but I like the JEM a lot more.) The flower from the three plants is quite similar: #2 had a little more dill smell, #1 is a little more crystally and possibly slightly more potent, but they are all clearly cut from the same cloth.
My JEM pollen saved from when I got all males last year was no longer viable, so I didn't have any luck making seeds this time around either, but I'll grow several of them again later. I definitely want to keep it around.
- Auto Purple Bastard Eater
This one was really cool, too. It's got a weird creeper high, physically relaxing but otherwise mostly mental: Spacey and very long-lasting, thought provoking but with little short term memory, limiting focus to the moment. At harvest the flower smelled berry-ish, but after curing it smells and tastes like hoppy cantaloupe. It's such a weird looking plant and was really fun to grow. I want to grow more and cross the ABC trait into other lines.
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