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Oh no, not the f'in bud rot!! Yes boytris is fairly common in a humid climate. Unfortunately the damage is done on that plant. Sometimes you have to look what bud you do get, and not look at the bud you lose due to climatic adversity.

Do you have power in the greenhouse? If so circulation is a key in reducing boytris for sure. Add a few circulating fans to blow across the main colas.
There is a product you can spray on mold and it will kill the spores, but i cant remember what it is called.... @Waira whats the name of that stuff again bud?

Strain selection is also key in avoiding mold....some strains are simply susceptible to mold.

 

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What is your average RH%?

 

[Waira]

perpet-- nothing you can do mate, the spores are already everywhere, all the time,..they land, stay dormant until the right conditions show then they activate and start invading,.. it travels through the stems, up into the buds, ther emerges on the surface setting more spores!... So, prevention is where it all starts; there are some products that can be sprayed on, biological controls like Actinovate (bacteria) early on to "inoculate" the growing tissues,...spores are getting grown around while dormant, then when they're buried in bud, the RH is already high in a localized sense internally,... The Actinovate can help attack at this time, but it's no panacea,... As for after the fact, you know the drill,.. it's basically plant gangrene, on live plants you have to cut whole budlets out, never hack through bud, it opens up tissue for ready re-invasion,... Skelly refers to Optic Foliars excellent products, Transport and ATAK... ATAK is the fungicide, Cu based, and Transport is a carrier solution that helps it penetrate deeper into the tissues,.. it allows temporary penetration through the cuticle layer, which for nutes, and in this case, the Cu (also a micronute, BTW), speeds them into the machine faster,.. (look up OverGrow, we have great results testing it here!).... I found these two worked damn well for smacking down the mold,... the Cu kills it, surface and deeper into the tissues where it's also hiding,.. the Cu will get metabolized soon after and used like any other vital micronute,... best of all, no residues! The owner/inventor Dinesh has done extensive testing on this, and it's nice and safe- ... you can buy these as concentrates and make up you own solutions as needed,...

 

[trailanimal]

CP [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] from grow [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] late yesterday I discovered had bud rot on a third of the large colas. I knew this thing could run into problems because the main cola was twice as fat as any of the other plants. I think the bud rot was due to lack of nutrients to keep the plant healthy, lack of airflow in the greenhouse, and just how the outdoor environment is.

I discovered it by noticing several of the sugar leaves looking like they were drying up in the middle of the buds. Normally the fan leaves dry up from the bottom up but this seemed a little more advanced. So I separated the buds to look inside of it and sure enough they were just starting to rot, mostly with just discolored buds but a couple spots where you could start to see the sort of webbed mold inside the buds.

I almost had a panic attack not for the sake of the bud, but for the sake of "oh fuck I have to harvest this NOW!!!" And not being sure what to do about this. Well it turns out this is pretty common in high humidity outdoor environments and people seem to just cut the bad parts out of their buds and hope it doesn't come back.

All in all I probably threw out a quarter of the buds, set aside a quarter of the buds as suspect, and chopped up and washed around half of the buds. It's a shame because these buds were really looking beautiful but I'm not going to try to salvage the moldy parts of the buds. The suspect buds I will probably cook down into oil rather than vaporizing them. I chose not to wash with H2O2 hydrogen peroxide, just my normal baking soda and lemon juice. Anything rotted or next to the rot was discarded.

Bud rot on the inside
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Notice that dark sugar leaf, that's how I tracked it down
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That screwy looking sugar leaf is the only evidence that I had
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Another bud that was worse off
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What to do... had a whole damn grocery bag of harvest!
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Here's what I threw away, you can easily tell the parts that are rotting
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What I saved, there's more suspect buds that I chopped out of the rotting colas but I set them aside and haven't washed them yet.
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bud rot learning cure is a real bitch! In the greenhouse I'm always looking, can catch it very early. Lose almost nothing, but harvest that plant right now. The environment hasn't changed, the plant's resistance hasn't changed, so out she goes. I hate forced early harvests!, really cuts into the stash!
airflow is a biggie, the other day @912GreenSkell was saying how air circulation was a mold stopper. and of course that got me thinking about running a fan in my greenhouse this fall.
Mold resistant strains are a good idea! Last season was the worst for bud rot. I had two plants that grew long and slow, stood for a month and a half in the worst of the worst at the end of the grow, no bud rot, Bubba Trouble @Magic Strains. And of course I'm growing her again!

 

[perpet]

dang and everything was looking so lovely to :smoking:i dont know anything about bud rot but i know a few that do,i dont think this works but @trailanimal has a great eye for br @912GreenSkell to @archie gemmill is an eejit. terrible thing to have part of harvest taken away so close to getting smoked,can anything much be done folks ?
cheers
good luck pal

Yea the main cola just looked TOO good if you know what I mean. All of the buds were massive on this plant compared to the others. Man oh man some of the buds I threw out just looked like perfect dense indica bud cones. Haven't taken close up photos yet but it looks so much more dense than the AK which has more sativa.

Oh no, not the f'in bud rot!! Yes boytris is fairly common in a humid climate. Unfortunately the damage is done on that plant. Sometimes you have to look what bud you do get, and not look at the bud you lose due to climatic adversity.

Do you have power in the greenhouse? If so circulation is a key in reducing boytris for sure. Add a few circulating fans to blow across the main colas.
There is a product you can spray on mold and it will kill the spores, but i cant remember what it is called.... @Waira whats the name of that stuff again bud?

Strain selection is also key in avoiding mold....some strains are simply susceptible to mold.

Have a very dry climate, thought that mold would be impossible! I think my biggest problem was not having any air circulating, all I have is a low power carbon filtered exhaust. For sure I will need to look out for the fat indicas and upcoming kush grows.

What is your average RH%?

25% during the day but often over 80% at night, somewhat of a coastal climate.

perpet-- nothing you can do mate, the spores are already everywhere, all the time,..they land, stay dormant until the right conditions show then they activate and start invading,.. it travels through the stems, up into the buds, ther emerges on the surface setting more spores!... So, prevention is where it all starts; there are some products that can be sprayed on, biological controls like Actinovate (bacteria) early on to "inoculate" the growing tissues,...spores are getting grown around while dormant, then when they're buried in bud, the RH is already high in a localized sense internally,... The Actinovate can help attack at this time, but it's no panacea,... As for after the fact, you know the drill,.. it's basically plant gangrene, on live plants you have to cut whole budlets out, never hack through bud, it opens up tissue for ready re-invasion,... Skelly refers to Optic Foliars excellent products, Transport and ATAK... ATAK is the fungicide, Cu based, and Transport is a carrier solution that helps it penetrate deeper into the tissues,.. it allows temporary penetration through the cuticle layer, which for nutes, and in this case, the Cu (also a micronute, BTW), speeds them into the machine faster,.. (look up OverGrow, we have great results testing it here!).... I found these two worked damn well for smacking down the mold,... the Cu kills it, surface and deeper into the tissues where it's also hiding,.. the Cu will get metabolized soon after and used like any other vital micronute,... best of all, no residues! The owner/inventor Dinesh has done extensive testing on this, and it's nice and safe- ... you can buy these as concentrates and make up you own solutions as needed,...

Great info thanks. I will have to look more into this. I've had this silly idea in my mind that I do not want to spray anything or using anything except for fertilizer. Not going to be so easy.

bud rot learning cure is a real bitch! In the greenhouse I'm always looking, can catch it very early. Lose almost nothing, but harvest that plant right now. The environment hasn't changed, the plant's resistance hasn't changed, so out she goes. I hate forced early harvests!, really cuts into the stash!
airflow is a biggie, the other day @912GreenSkell was saying how air circulation was a mold stopper. and of course that got me thinking about running a fan in my greenhouse this fall.
Mold resistant strains are a good idea! Last season was the worst for bud rot. I had two plants that grew long and slow, stood for a month and a half in the worst of the worst at the end of the grow, no bud rot, Bubba Trouble @Magic Strains. And of course I'm growing her again!

Yea it is a real bitch, and it has been getting worse. Pulled several buds out of the drying rack after splitting them apart and finding more bud rot! It was 100% stuck between 2 or 3 fat buds and well I had to throw more out. Probably a third of the harvest lost on this plant. Luckily most of my "suspect" buds looked alright, gave them a wash, split them up and am trying to give them a quick dry.

Basically my response to the situation was chop the whole damn thing down instantly, remove rotting parts, wash what remains, separate EACH and EVERY bud (no slow dry on the stem), quick dry.

Now I plan to cook this plant into oil or budder. Not going to risk smoking or vaporizing it. Hope I don't find any more rotted out buds! The rot was actually very minimal but very pervasive, it had not yet severely damaged the plant but it is very apparent the parts which are effected, but only by pulling apart and destroying every cola to clip out each tiny bud.

Do not mess around with bud rot! What I thought was an N deficiency last week evolved into a 24 hour nightmare! Hoping that I have thrown out the last of it. My poor AK which was harvested before this is possibly also effected, it was drying for a couple days before I brought in some undetected rotting buds. Was a lot of work figuring out and dealing with the situation.

 

[perpet]

I'll try to get more pictures. Really busy.

Grow [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG]
AK [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] is dried, trimmed, and curing with 62% Boveda packs. Got 5 jars worth hell yea. Bud density is pretty poor, just looks like some reg outdoor haha.
AK [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] looks just about done, chop soon.
CP [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] is still drying. I've been too afraid to check it. I don't think the rot will spread with constant airflow.
CP [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] HAS BUD ROT NOW TOO! Stopped fucking around and put a big box fan in the greenhouse. Lost 3 huge buds so far at the top cola, will likely lose a lot more. Maybe I was on top of it but this rot shit is nasty. Any of the SLIGHTEST sign of browning leaf you can spot the rot without opening the bud. If you open it up the spores fly out. I've seen a couple very small flies resting on the fan leaves, I wonder if they are spreading it. Cut out the whole bud, anything it was touching, and threw it all out. One thing I would have done differently, the past few days have been weird colder weather and I should not have watered. At this point I think I will stop watering completely.

Grow [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] All a month into flowering, some look really good some look like they are still in pre-flower. Larger than grow 1. Started giving them bloom nute sooner instead of so much veg nute. Will need to be much more careful with these plants and dial in my airflow.

Grow [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] Not much to say they just went outside. I try to give them a little veg nute before they go out, put them out when it is mild temp and soak em, then give them a little veg nute the next day or so.

Grow [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] 2 big taproots, 2 tips, 2 unopened. Need to stick 2-3 in the soil today.

 

[perpet]

Finished up grow [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] for the most part, last of it is still drying. Lost the entire main cola of the 2nd CP due to bud rot. It wasn't that bad but I didn't want to pick it all apart so I gave it a proper burial in my trash can. Seed provider says Critical Purple more susceptible to mold problems than the others. All in all pulled something like 2-3 ounces per plant, not really sure yet. That won't last long! Had to do a bit of a wet trim because the plants weren't that healthy and I stopped watering them then got hit by a couple 135F days in the greenhouse back to back. The AK held out but you could tell the CP fizzled out the day before harvest. I don't think I would ever try to do too much wet trimming again because it just takes too damn long when you are trying to harvest/bud wash/set out to dry. Unfortunately the drying rack pushes the leaves against the buds and makes it harder to do a dry trim later.

Grow [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] finally got some room to spread out, 3x CP and 3x AK. One of each still look to be in preflower and will be pretty big. A couple others have been sticky looking already for a couple weeks. One of the CP is turning purple on me. These are all still a month+ out from finishing.

Grow [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] all I have are 2x Haze XL and a Kush XL, all is well as I probably don't have the space for more.

Grow [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] popped out of the ground finally, 3x Candy Kush and 2x Sour Kush with the 3rd Sour Kush still germinating, looks like I finally got a root trying to work its way out. The seeds I've been getting from Growers Choice are kind of a mixed bag, some will sink to the bottom of the cup quickly during the initial water soak, others I can hardly get to sink at all after 12-18 hours. The ones that sink first germinate very readily.

Grow [HASHTAG]#5[/HASHTAG] will be 5x White Widow photos starting in about a month, to finish up around the end of October which is usually when we will start to get some rain.

Here are some mixed photos, there was too much going on and I didn't really have time to take some nice shots before harvest, but hopefully I will for grow [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG]. It was a little stressful trying to figure out the whole process and have enough time to do everything right, but I think I got a nice setup figured out finally.

Grow 1 AK 2

Grow 1 CP 2

Grow [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] 2x Haze XL with Kush XL in the middle, I try to put them outside the same week they start branching like that and then they take off fast

Made some cannabudder from the trim. About 3oz (around 4 cups?) of trim (50/50 with trichs), 4 sticks (2 cups) of butter, 2 cups of water. Simmered on low heat for 3 hours trying to keep it in 200-220F range and not really bubbling. Let it rest and separate overnight in fridge and you get this. Then drain the water out from the bottom. Tried a tiny bit of it and it tastes pretty good. Never made it before.

Haven't really tried much of anything yet except a small bowl of AK which knocked me out pretty quick. Going to let it cure for a couple weeks as I have some old bud I'm working through in the meantime.

 

[Need4Weed]

Excellent frost @perpet

 

[perpet]

Having trouble with grow [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG]. One Sour Kush failed to germinate, looks like the shell won't split so the root is pinched shut, maybe it will open up but it's been like that for a while. One Candy Kush I was too eager to pry the shell off (when I did so for all the others) and it's looking like I damaged it, went to check it and some tiny bug crawled out. So again as in grow 3, looking like grow 4 I will having less plants than expected, but that is OK because I am really happy with grow 1 and grow 2 so far. Really need to nail grow 2 and I'll be alright. Not worried about quantity because you can get $80 ounces or $500 pounds around here if you wanted delivered in an hour.

Excellent frost @perpet

Thank you I will try to get some pictures of the finished nugs when I get a chance.

 

[perpet]

Grow [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] is about a month into flower, I'll call these CP [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#5[/HASHTAG] and AK [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] [HASHTAG]#5[/HASHTAG]

All the stems for the top colas are mangled when I was too aggressive with supercropping, the stems split and are hollow and blackened inside. Hope that won't introduce problems, I would think it would impact yield negatively. But they were just getting too tall!

CP [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] she's turning purple! Is this worth trying to keep the genetics, or pretty common?

CP [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] fat looking buds

CP [HASHTAG]#5[/HASHTAG] just coming out of preflower, very dense number of buds around the supercropped top

AK [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] kinda short and busy

AK [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] not sure what happened to the pic but it looks just like [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] maybe half a foot taller

AK [HASHTAG]#5[/HASHTAG] just coming out of preflower, almost a foot taller than [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG]

Grow [HASHTAG]#4[/HASHTAG] day 3 or so, I don't really find the first 3 weeks very interesting so I'm probably not going to take many pictures like these. All out of focus because my phone camera sucks at macro.