No pollen yet - howcum?

[Heisenbeans]

Would like some thoughts on this one.
When I started my last run, I started 1 additional walter white with the idea of reversing. This one was a bit weird, she had a hard time figuring out what way was up but figured if she'd grow, we'd continue. I marked 3 branches and have been spraying twice daily just after lights out, and before lights on, with CS I made a while back (maybe 18 months).

Anyhow, I've got sacks starting to pop up where I didn't spray. I was careful, and masked each branch off from the rest when treating, and I made the branches obvious so I'd didn't spray wrong ones....

But seeing sacks in the pistils is kinda odd. Pics of both sprayed and the unsprayed. Kinda thinking she may have been an it to start. Showed female at sexing.

Thoughts?

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Could just be a herm naturally. I've had plants throw balls that were sprayed once or twice. By the looks of rhe pistols it was either pollinated or some stray CS landed on it.

 

[Heisenbeans]

The biggest issue I see people.spray to late. I start a week before flip. I never see hairs on a female plant. They start throwing balls right away.

 

[Olderfart]

The biggest issue I see people.spray to late. I start a week before flip. I never see hairs on a female plant. They start throwing balls right away.

So with an auto would you start somewhere around two weeks from germination, before any sign of sex? Does this not risk inadvertently "reversing" a plant that is already a stray male?

 

[Proph]

Would like some thoughts on this one.
When I started my last run, I started 1 additional walter white with the idea of reversing. This one was a bit weird, she had a hard time figuring out what way was up but figured if she'd grow, we'd continue. I marked 3 branches and have been spraying twice daily just after lights out, and before lights on, with CS I made a while back (maybe 18 months).

Anyhow, I've got sacks starting to pop up where I didn't spray. I was careful, and masked each branch off from the rest when treating, and I made the branches obvious so I'd didn't spray wrong ones....

But seeing sacks in the pistils is kinda odd. Pics of both sprayed and the unsprayed. Kinda thinking she may have been an it to start. Showed female at sexing.

Thoughts?

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Unsprayed
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If that is below the sprayed branch then I've had that happen every time.. I've never had just the branch I sprayed reverse. I've always had lower branches or near by branches reverse as well.. The plant is absorbing the CS... Thus it's able to travel through the plant like any nutrient would... That's why people say to trash the whole plant even if you only sprayed one top on one branch.. Because the chemicals travel and the whole plant is, for a lack of a better word, contaminated.

 

[Heisenbeans]

So with an auto would you start somewhere around two weeks from germination, before any sign of sex? Does this not risk inadvertently "reversing" a plant that is already a stray male?

Males are super easy to tell from reversed females.
The sacks will have tiny stems and there will be NO preflower calyx on the males.. Females will have calyxs that the balls emerge from. Feminized plants should have no males anyway. Female to female pollination, the donor lacks the chromosome to make a male flower. Its extremely rare and if I had male plants in my fems I would be discouraged for sure.
With autos that I was trying to see female expression to.reverse I would just start reversing half the plant at 3 weeks from seed. With photos we already know the expression and what were looking for. Autos may be a little different. You can't really clone a keeper to reverse later so half plant reversal and use the keeper mom pollen. Trash the rest. I throw away alot of plants.

 

[Olderfart]

Males are super easy to tell from reversed females.
The sacks will have tiny stems and there will be NO preflower calyx on the males.. Females will have calyxs that the balls emerge from. Feminized plants should have no males anyway. Female to female pollination, the donor lacks the chromosome to make a male flower. Its extremely rare and if I had male plants in my fems I would be discouraged for sure.
With autos that I was trying to see female expression to.reverse I would just start reversing half the plant at 3 weeks from seed. With photos we already know the expression and what were looking for. Autos may be a little different. You can't really clone a keeper to reverse later so half plant reversal and use the keeper mom pollen. Trash the rest. I throw away alot of plants.

By half plant reversal, do you mean spray one half, and leave the other half un-sprayed? Does the CS not get into circulation throughout the plant? Sorry for all the questions, but methinks you know what you are talking about my friend, and I am very interested in your take on this mischief. Thanks for your responses.

 

[Proph]

So with an auto would you start somewhere around two weeks from germination, before any sign of sex? Does this not risk inadvertently "reversing" a plant that is already a stray male?

When you start is based on what your intention is.. When Heisienbeans starts spraying a week before flip, he has no intention of selfing the plant. Pollen sacs will be ready a few weeks into his flower period. Thus no pistils.. He can chop the plant and be done much sooner.. Also, from what I hear, CS takes a week or two to really "kick in" so it's suggested to start a little earlier than planned. If your intention is to self the plant, and collect pollen, you have to start spraying after some pistils have shown, so that there's a way to self pollinate. You'll probably have to keep the plant until harvest to give seeds time to mature as well. Same goes with autos.. When you start is based on your intention.

 

[Heisenbeans]

When you start is based on what your intention is.. When Heisienbeans starts spraying a week before flip, he has no intention of selfing the plant. Pollen sacs will be ready a few weeks into his flower period. Thus no pistils.. He can chop the plant and be done much sooner.. Also, from what I hear, CS takes a week or two to really "kick in" so it's suggested to start a little earlier than planned. If your intention is to self the plant, and collect pollen, you have to start spraying after some pistils have shown, so that there's a way to self pollinate. You'll probably have to keep the plant until harvest to give seeds time to mature as well. Same goes with autos.. When you start is based on your intention.

That is 100 percent. I never self autos cause its just a pain in the ass honestly. I prefer to just start my donor moms ahead of schedule and than use a dedicated receiving mom. Seeds should take 6 to 7 weeks to fully mature and if not you will have germination issues. Been there done that.
Seeds should also dry for a minimum of 30 days.
I get 100 percent germination on my seeds accross the board.
It can take up to 4 weeks to get pollen and add another 6 weeks minimum to a dying plant is just to much hassle.
I've made s1s with photo moms but that is using dedicated clones to pollinate the same clone. Autos are different. If I was breeding autos I would just run a dedicated pack or two just to make seeds with. Collect the pollen off rhe winner plant and either freeze it or stagger my receiving moms.

 

[Arthur]

If that is below the sprayed branch then I've had that happen every time.. I've never had just the branch I sprayed reverse. I've always had lower branches or near by branches reverse as well.. The plant is absorbing the CS... Thus it's able to travel through the plant like any nutrient would... That's why people say to trash the whole plant even if you only sprayed one top on one branch.. Because the chemicals travel and the whole plant is, for a lack of a better word, contaminated.

Thanks, that's the info I needed! No intent of using the plant for anything other than the S1 seeds, making sure Walter has a spot in my tent for the foreseeable future. Didn't want to continue if there was true intersex popping up. We shall continue.

 

[Olderfart]

When you start is based on what your intention is.. When Heisienbeans starts spraying a week before flip, he has no intention of selfing the plant. Pollen sacs will be ready a few weeks into his flower period. Thus no pistils.. He can chop the plant and be done much sooner.. Also, from what I hear, CS takes a week or two to really "kick in" so it's suggested to start a little earlier than planned. If your intention is to self the plant, and collect pollen, you have to start spraying after some pistils have shown, so that there's a way to self pollinate. You'll probably have to keep the plant until harvest to give seeds time to mature as well. Same goes with autos.. When you start is based on your intention.

Zero selfing here, just dedicated stud plant. Once the pollen is collected, into the bin she goes. I start the mother to be pollenated a couple weeks later than the stud.