No pollen yet - howcum?

So with an auto would you start somewhere around two weeks from germination, before any sign of sex? Does this not risk inadvertently "reversing" a plant that is already a stray male?

I dont think males reverse to females when you apply CS. (so if its a real male, it wont ever show pistils at any time.)

I don't think you can really tell if its herming or just due to the CS.

You will just find out when you grow out the seeds and they herm on you.

IMO but I could be wrong.

Someone here swears by spraying before they sex so its easier to reverse.

I think the only way to really know is to clone it, and reverse that. Let the OG plant grow out.
 
I dont think males reverse to females when you apply CS. (so if its a real male, it wont ever show pistils at any time.)

I don't think you can really tell if its herming or just due to the CS.

You will just find out when you grow out the seeds and they herm on you.

IMO but I could be wrong.

Someone here swears by spraying before they sex so its easier to reverse.

I think the only way to really know is to clone it, and reverse that. Let the OG plant grow out.
CS doesn't change the tendency to herm, it is all genetics. Start with a hermer, and your seeds will likely have the trait. Start with a high quality strain that does not herm, and your seeds won't either.

However, if you cross strains rather than sticking with one, or if you self pollenate, you run a higher risk of recessive mischief showing up, possibly including the tendency to herm. The best route to stable predictable performance, in my opinion, is to stick with a single strain that you like, and use one plant as a pollen source, and a separate one as the seed mom. Otherwise, a grower would be wise to check a new cross carefully for performance before assuming that it will behave, including whether it will herm. I don't have the time or space to carefully check behaviour of crosses, so I will likely stick with making single strain seeds.

As to when to start spraying, @Heisenbeans starts a week before going 12/12 with photos, so I am going to try starting with CS before sexing on my next effort with reversal of an auto, likely at 14-18 or so days. I may increase the concentration of my CS solution a bit as well. I got good pollen in the current run, but not very much of it. It would be nice to get better production. As always, I will report back. :biggrin:
 
CS doesn't change the tendency to herm, it is all genetics. Start with a hermer, and your seeds will likely have the trait. Start with a high quality strain that does not herm, and your seeds won't either.

However, if you cross strains rather than sticking with one, or if you self pollenate, you run a higher risk of recessive mischief showing up, possibly including the tendency to herm. The best route to stable predictable performance, in my opinion, is to stick with a single strain that you like, and use one plant as a pollen source, and a separate one as the seed mom. Otherwise, a grower would be wise to check a new cross carefully for performance before assuming that it will behave, including whether it will herm. I don't have the time or space to carefully check behaviour of crosses, so I will likely stick with making single strain seeds.

As to when to start spraying, @Heisenbeans starts a week before going 12/12 with photos, so I am going to try starting with CS before sexing on my next effort with reversal of an auto, likely at 14-18 or so days. I may increase the concentration of my CS solution a bit as well. I got good pollen in the current run, but not very much of it. It would be nice to get better production. As always, I will report back. :biggrin:

Yah i hear you man. I get it.

TBF I dont want to work my plants much. I want that hybrid vigor. R1/R2. Maybe BX after R2.

My best route is just spending the money for expensive seeds to reverse. Use their efforts to save time.
I plan on only making 2 or 3 crosses for the time for my personal med needs.
Fruit/Floral and Gas/Musk.

No reason to make tons of hybrids, dont have enough time to test them. I can only grow 4 at a time, so 200 seeds would last me forever.
 
CS doesn't change the tendency to herm, it is all genetics. Start with a hermer, and your seeds will likely have the trait. Start with a high quality strain that does not herm, and your seeds won't either.

However, if you cross strains rather than sticking with one, or if you self pollenate, you run a higher risk of recessive mischief showing up, possibly including the tendency to herm. The best route to stable predictable performance, in my opinion, is to stick with a single strain that you like, and use one plant as a pollen source, and a separate one as the seed mom. Otherwise, a grower would be wise to check a new cross carefully for performance before assuming that it will behave, including whether it will herm. I don't have the time or space to carefully check behaviour of crosses, so I will likely stick with making single strain seeds.

As to when to start spraying, @Heisenbeans starts a week before going 12/12 with photos, so I am going to try starting with CS before sexing on my next effort with reversal of an auto, likely at 14-18 or so days. I may increase the concentration of my CS solution a bit as well. I got good pollen in the current run, but not very much of it. It would be nice to get better production. As always, I will report back. :biggrin:

Just wrapping up reversal of a few auto's, Mephisto Sour Stomper, CDLC, GWK and a DP Glueberry. Started spraying at the first signs of pre-flower, approximately 25 days. Using STS at a 1:9, 5-day cycle. Full reversal on all, SS faster than the others but with significantly less pollen production.

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Just wrapping up reversal of a few auto's, Mephisto Sour Stomper, CDLC, GWK and a DP Glueberry. Started spraying at the first signs of pre-flower, approximately 25 days. Using STS at a 1:9, 5-day cycle. Full reversal on all, SS faster than the others but with significantly less pollen production.

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"Full reversal on all, SS faster than the others but with significantly less pollen production."

Could you elaborate on this statement? (typo?)

Beautiful work btw. Wish i could get ahold of meph or night owl seeds. Lucky bugger.
 
"Full reversal on all, SS faster than the others but with significantly less pollen production."

Could you elaborate on this statement? (typo?)

Beautiful work btw. Wish i could get ahold of meph or night owl seeds. Lucky bugger.

Thanks mate, appreciate the compliment - happy to elaborate.

No typo - all 8 auto's (x2 of each) fully reversed through application of STS. The Sour Stompers of the bunch were quickest to react to STS applications, producing large clusters throughout. However, neither produced an over abundance of pollen relative to the size and quantity of clusters. Selective picking, drying, crushing, sifting was needed to gather a meaningful collection.

CDLC and GWK on the other hand, holding a stalk over my table and a flick of the stem would result in a cloud of pollen dropping for collection.

Some just give it up easier than others.
 
For sure ^ thanks for clearing that up.
 
Any other thoughts on nutes/harvest for seeded plants?

Best info I can find so far is give it higher levels of N during flower, and let the plant yellow out while still giving it higher levels of N.
Then harvest. Let plant dry out for a few days, remove seeds from flowers, then leave the beans in a brown paper sack to full dry/cure for 30 days.

Then they can go into the fridge or cold storage.
 
Any other thoughts on nutes/harvest for seeded plants?

Best info I can find so far is give it higher levels of N during flower, and let the plant yellow out while still giving it higher levels of N.
Then harvest. Let plant dry out for a few days, remove seeds from flowers, then leave the beans in a brown paper sack to full dry/cure for 30 days.

Then they can go into the fridge or cold storage.
All sounds reasonable except I doubt that more nitrogen is needed. My recent seeded mom didn't get any and she produced just fine.

One additional detail re. storage - pack the seeds with some cooled off but freshly baked (i.e. dehydrated) rice, all in a sealed container like a mason jar. The rice will keep the seeds dry. If you refrigerate, don't open the jar until it and the contents come completely to room temperature.

Happy seeding peeps.
:pighug:
 
All sounds reasonable except I doubt that more nitrogen is needed. My recent seeded mom didn't get any and she produced just fine.

One additional detail re. storage - pack the seeds with some cooled off but freshly baked (i.e. dehydrated) rice, all in a sealed container like a mason jar. The rice will keep the seeds dry. If you refrigerate, don't open the jar until it and the contents come completely to room temperature.

Happy seeding peeps.
:pighug:

We are not trying to produce oil though. James from loud seeds is pretty legit imo.


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"In conclusion, nitrogen fertilizer affected not only grain yield but also seedling establishment and seed vigor in wheat. Pathways involved in nutrient mobilization and the antioxidant system played a pivotal role in seedling establishment and seed vigor in response to nitrogen level during seed production. "
 
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