Extraction Magical Butter Machine

Now that's a great post! I've read similar tests and it does seem that THC does not degrade quickly after full decarb, likely because its a more stable molecule than the acid form. I do feel this product is stupidly over priced ( all these companies assume potheads are wealthy and stupid.. ) for what it does hell you could put a thermostat on a baby bottle warmer and do the same thing for $25! $99 I'd consider one, although I sometime decarb a lot of material at one time.

Again, with an oven like yours, a pizza stone would help a lot. Set your dish or pan on the pizza stone run the oven at about 240 and I'll bet the stone will level out around 250

:slap:

This is also another cool post from someone I found on wakenedbake. This guy went deep!

It's a comment from this post - https://wakeandbakecookbook.com/decarboxylating-cannabis-to-activate-thc/

JACKSON
May 21, 2016 at 7:21 pm

Decarbing Frank’s Gift Cannabis

I’ve been searching for a reliable way to decarboxylate medical cannabis for a while now, and there seems to be no consensus as to exactly how to do it. Different websites and forums all have a different take on the best temperature to use, how long to heat it, how to prepare it etc. My search finally led me to a British patent for a process of liquid CO2 extraction of resin from cannabis, in which they mentioned how they decarbed their samples and, most importantly, they documented the resulting lab analysis of 4 different amount of time and 3 different temperatures, and the differing results on THCa, THC, CBDa, CBD, and CBN. To me, this is a wealth of information. Here is a link to the patent:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7344736.html

The 3 temps are in Celsius and translate to Fahrenheit as follows: 105° C = 221° F, 120° C = 248° F, and 140° C = 284° F.

My takeaway from this long, very technical paper is the following 2 sentences:

Chemovar producing primarily CBD is 1 hour at 120° C. or 0.5 hour at 140° C.
Chemovar producing primarily THC to minimise CBN formation, is 1 to 2 hours at 105° C. or 1 hour at 120° C.

Translation: heat your cannabis in a 120° C (248° F) oven for an hour and you are good to go. Regardless of if your cannabis is high in THC or CBD this will work very well. So I did just that (sort of) and then had the cannabis analyzed at OG Analytical in Eugene, OR. Here is what I did, the lab analysis of cured Frank’s Gift bud, and the decarbed Frank’s Gift bud.

In the patent, they say it is preferable to dry the herb at a lower temp, then decarb it at a higher temp, but since I had put a pizza stone in the oven to try for a more even temp, I dried it and decarbed it at the same temp.

5/10/16 I started with 36 g total; removed 1.124 g for analytical lab testing. That left @35 g before removing stems, @ 34 g after removing .9 g of stems.

9:00 AM I put a 16″ pizza stone (9.5 lbs./4.3 Kilograms) in the oven and preheated to 250° F. I used a Farberware oven probe (laying on the pizza stone) to get an accurate temperature. It showed that it took @ 90 minutes to get up to temp.

I was aiming for a temp of 250° F, but since my oven fluctuates about 20° F, I could not achieve this. After almost 3 hours of screwing around with the oven, turning the temperature dial up and down, trying to get it to a stable temp, I gave up, and settled on a setting of 245° F.

I broke up the buds into small pieces (it was very sticky), put it on an aluminum baking sheet, and put it in the oven at 11:45AM. I left it in the oven for 20 minutes to dry completely. It was not sticky at all after drying it. I crumbled up the buds in my hand (very easy) and wound up with mostly powdered bud.

I returned the baking sheet to the oven and waited until the oven probe said 250° F, which took about 15 minutes. I left it in the oven for another hour, removed it, let it cool down a little, and weighed it. It now weighed 28 g, so it lost about 6 g of moisture (17.6%). I took out 1.15 g for the lab. Here are the lab results:

Before Decarbing

THCa = 4.8%
Δ9-THC = 0.9%
CBDa = 9.9%
CBD = 0.6%
CBN = <0.1%

After Decarbing

THCa = <0.1%
Δ9-THC = 4.8%
CBDa = <0.1%
CBD = 9.1%
CBN = 0.2%

I am thrilled with the results – all of the THCa got converted to THC, all the CBDa got converted to CBD, and very little of the THC got degraded to CBN. Not too shabby.

Next time I wouldn't mess with the oven temp. I would just set it at 245° F and leave it alone.

If you look at Table 5 in the patent, you'll see that there is quite a bit of leeway in time before the THC starts to seriously degrade into CBN, so leaving it in the oven for 1-2 hours at 250° F would not degrade very much THC (4.1% after 1 hour and 6.7% after 2 hours).

Miscellaneous notes: Franks Gift organically grown outdoors, harvested on 10/4/15, dried in 50% humidity, 70° F temp for 5 days (stems snapped at that point), then placed in 2 quart canning jars with a 62% Boveda pack for curing. It has been in the jar for 7 months.

I hope this is helpful.

Jackson
 
Guys, im going to see how we can get the excellent decarb info together. Keep posting here though, and i will get copies together. Best reading that includes testing and innovation! Its deserves a place to shine.
 
Tinctures are good, but definity something you may need to play around with a bit to get to your liking. I'm not using my batch as much as I'd hoped because of the alcohol burn under the tounge, so need to play with evaping some off or using glycyrine or something. :smoking:

Leave the lid off your alcohol tincture bottles and let the alcohol dissolve naturally. Adding a little honey to the tincture would help the burn too.
 
Leave the lid off your alcohol tincture bottles and let the alcohol dissolve naturally. Adding a little honey to the tincture would help the burn too.

Thats a great piece of advice! You may have helped me make an alcohol tincture run. Do you use lecthin in tincs?
 
I'm going to try and reduce my tincture by 50%. Then top it back up in tincture bottle with Midori. I just got word that my Lift has shipped!
 
Thats a great piece of advice! You may have helped me make an alcohol tincture run. Do you use lecthin in tincs?

I have used it in oils, but not alcohol. I've put it in oil during decarbing for medables. I really should use it more because I think it helps with bioavailability...
 
I took the plunge and got my MB e2 machine today in the mail! Decided to buy it off eBay as it was 129.99 versus the $174 or however much it costs directly from the website. For my first run, I think i'm going to try and do a potent batch of tincture using Everclear and about a zip or so of HSO Blue Dream Auto as it's the least fragrant and mild flower I have. Will repot back with results after I catch up on this thread and whip up a batch.
 
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