New Grower Lowberry & LowryderMint 1st Autogrow

[JM]

whew, i was nervous. my first real attempt at trying to give advice.

oh... your first Real attempt? the other ones were fake attempts? lol

you did fine mate... you been payin attention... :smokebuds:

 

[gtron]

I'd reccomend sourcing better water immedaitley... Rain water is great and free... just put a rain catcher off of one of our gutters into a barrel... bring that in and use a small air pump.... aerate for 24 hours... check ph... I've found here in the NE US I get 6.5-70 ph on my rain water every single time...

hope this helps...


oh one other thing... with as stunted as your ladies are your day counts will be off a little.. (expected growth vs true growth)

so a real stunted 14 day plant may be more like a 7 day seedling.... and therefore still not ready for nutes yet/

Rain Water is pretty much a no here where I live, first off we have been in a drought, second I live close enough to the ocean to throw a rock into it, so just about any rain we get is going to have salt in it, especially runoff from the roof.

I will work on getting the ph dialed in.

As for the nutes, my plan is to go organic. I don't intend to use any while watering for a while yet, but I have already put the party cups into the organic soil mix, so I will just have to ride this one out.
Or do you think I should just start out fresh with a new batch of seeds? I hate wasting the seeds from this attempt, but I would hate to spend 8-10 weeks growing just a few grams.

 

[alton956]

@gtron hopefully you didnt leave the ladies outside..with that cold front moving in and all

 

[gtron]

OK. so day 21 everything still looks ridiculously small, not to mention the burn on some of them.
so the soil ph in every pot is reading 6.8 after a two seperate waterings 3 days apart with H2O with a ph of 7.3. (this was an attempt get the soil ph up into acceptable parameters from being 5.8-6.2) Runoff H2O ph measured @ 7.2.

So my question is would I actually get a faster yield scrapping these and starting fresh or should stick with these or is it a toss up? Those of you with some experience please weigh in.

Also another question, Are those balls on the first pic? I know it is a crappy pic, but it is the best I can do with my camera. If it helps, it is the same plant as the second pic.

 

[gtron]

Killed the LM3 as it was most certianly a male.
Roots were not developed well at all, just a few small root strands that barely were as long as the party cup.

Started soaking a DNA 60day wonder and another DB LowBerry for germination.

Maybe I can avoid stunting them.

 

[gtron]

BTSOM!

yeah, Beats the shit out of me! That is how I feel. Frustrated, not ready to throw my blackstar into the gulf, but still, pretty frustrated.
I grew plants when I was young next to ditches in dusty crap for soil, neglected them and still got faster growing plants than this!

The pictures you see in the post above pretty accurately reflect what the plants still look like, F-ing MICROSCOPIC! :cry:
Seriously the leaves are so ridiculously small I need a magnifying glass to tell what is going on.
The original grow is just putting on tiny little leaves on top of tiny little leaves, no streching or upward growth, no leaf size increase beyond tiny.

Soil ph in all pots is measuring at 6.8 with just a hair above that in two pots.
Watering with spring water that ph measures 5.8 mixed with tap water to bring ph to 6.3- 6.8.
Runoff water ph is about 7 which is sort of odd to me considering the afore mentioned parameters.

Another one of the lowryder mints went male, again the leaves & male parts were so small I could not see them well enough without magnification to tell for sure that it was a male, so I just put him on the porch to sort of see what would happen. It is so small no-one is likely to even know what it is.
So what happens? It starts to grow taller, noticebly taller than the other plants in two days! WTF, my BlackStar 240 led isn't good enough?

Does anyone have a clue as to what is going on with them?

I germed a 60DayWonder, a Lowberry, and a Thunder Bloody Mary in Thompson & Morgan Seed Starter. They are looking like seedlings should at this point with the TBM about a week behind. I am curious to see what they will look like in a few weeks.

 

[agito]

looks like a potting mix issue with those funky colors or temps im not experienced with leds but make sure there not to close to begin with
5.8-6.2 is hydro
yor looking more at 6.2-6.7

 

[gtron]

looks like a potting mix issue or temps im not experienced with leds but make sure there not to close to begin with

I am not sure what the potting mix issue would have been? Are you thinking too hot?

As for the temps, yeah initially the grow box was a bit too warm, but some have said they didn't think it was too bad. The average temp in the box for the last 2 weeks or more has been around 81 with a high of 84 and low of 77.

Led height is about 16 inches from the plants.

 

[Trifid]

despite the negatives, i'm sure you are learning some good experience here...looks like your medium is acidified and retaining the excess salts... Flushing might not be sufficient to rectify the lock out due to toxicity in some cases... Even if run-off is 6-7 some components of the mix might be acid retaining and slow releasing... the result is pH fluctuations.... stability of the pH within the medium in early stages is essential (especially since autos more or less skip the veg state..) This is why good drainage and modest soil retention is ideal for cultivation because its easier to gain control over the soil chemistry.... maybe try re-potting them into a new, more suitable medium in larger containers (this might disturb the root system but you might have no choice..) try to discard as much of the old medium as possible (keep and neutralize using lime in 1:4 and use as a flowering mix later) and avoid soils that retain moisture for long periods - especially at seeding stage..most varieties respond well when the medium is allowed to dry between waterings.. i'd feed pH 7 water for a week after re-potting in new growing medium and foliar feed them a mild dose of rhizotonic and amino acids. This will help your plants re-establish a healthy root system.. Vitamin d when combined with calcium has been shown to promote root re-generation in tea and comfrey..

gd luck...

 

[agito]

I would change the potting mix it does look locked out i think theres loads of defiencys going on,