Live Stoner Chat Live Stoner Chat - Apr-Jun '22

[tronN00dles]

 

[Bill.de.Cat]

Nah friend, I like a dissenting opinion. You won't hurt my feelings. I know there are significant drawbacks to the E-cars. Even if you just think they're plain ugly. Which, eh, yes I think most are. Oogly like catfish.

Naw...just a whole bunch of NIMBY goes hand in hand with the whole thing that people want to ignore......when you've acuatually seen kids in India scrounging around our E Waste trying to find something to sell to get food...it puts a bit of a damper on it.

 

[DCLXVI]

Very good point. It's a totally new waste stream. I'm certain no one has addressed it properly. I do know that Nissan was breaking apart the old Leaf packs in Japan and using them to power solar road lights. But, thats a sliver of the problem isn't it?

Just like the banning of plastic straws. Nice idea but, what about the whole cup/lid you are also going to throw out?

 

[Frank the Dank]

Let me break this one apart a little bit. Having been fully electric for almost 10 years now and tried out a couple different vehicles I've hit the snags and range anxiety head on.



Range is basically a non-issue any more. People just don't like change. For some people, a full electric probably will not work and thats ok. Charge time? Yes. A very real issue. My first electric car just plugged into the wall. Small battery and it could trickle charge overnight. Getting a rapid charger elimnates that quickly but a charge unit is $500-1000 and then you need an electrician to run a large amp circuit to mount it to. Literally a dryer plug. Newer cars with large multi-hundred mile packs, they will basically require a rapid charger and if you run it down to say 5% battery could take a full day to recharge. But, you just get used to plugging your car in when you get home just like your phone. Those huge packs should last several days for most people.

Charging at work is becoming more available and shoot, the couple times I didn't have enough to get around? Find a charger near a bar and stop off for a break. 15min is enough time on the fast charge to add significant miles.



I would not push anyone to trade in a reliable vehicle for a new electric. However, anyone looking for a new car should seriously consider an electric option. I mean a new Honda Accord or Toyota Camry pushes $40k pretty easy these days. The new Nissan Leaf has a 200 mile range for $35k. It's just an idea. My first electric car was a 2013 Leaf, for $35k, and it only got 75 miles on that tiny old pack. There were maybe 3 times I needed to go further and just rented a car for the day. Quite the improvement on just that model from gen 1 @75miles of range to gen2 with 200+ for the same price.

I wish they had continued with cars like the Chevy Volt. It was electric for 30 or 40 miles and then switched to the gas engine. No range issues, just plain old gas engine when you need it. If you were only short trips, all electric. I know loads of people were in the high 800 to 1000 miles without needing to fill up. A really nice compromise





Early gen1 cars? Yes. The new cars? Not so much. There are finally plenty of old Teslas running around and the SOH, state of health, on their batteries is still above 80% after 10+ years and several hundred thousand miles of driving. There was a lot of bad battery chemistry early on. Most of that is significantly better now. I was quite surprised at how well Tesla did from the get go. PS I cannot stand Elon, however, I am glad that he is petty and whiny. If anyone makes a faster electric car than his, he doubles down on "whiny brat" mode and makes the next Tesla Model faster again. That I can appreciate.

You also have to remember that maintenance on an electric car is basically 0. No oil changes, no filter changes, belts, spark plugs, etc. Far fewer moving parts. It's very possible that even on a work/industrial use level that battery swap will even out with general maintenance. I do think there will still be times where a good old fashioned gas engine is going to be the answer.

Ok, I think I wrote enough of a book. Hah! Sorry. Just something I like to talk about and I haven't got much social contact re-established yet so you all get to hear me prattle on. Thanks for listening to this old man yell at a cloud.

Mind if I ask, how much does an electric vehicle affect your power bill?

 

[DCLXVI]

Mind if I ask, how much does an electric vehicle affect your power bill?

Maybe $30-40 a month doing maybe 200 miles a week. I'm semi-retired so I do not drive much anymore other than errands and grandkids to/from school etc... So, prior to the current gas gouge, about 1 tank per month. Current car gets about 150mpg equivalent. Electricity is far cheaper than gas and more efficient. Our electricity is quite cheap here so that helps.

 

[DCLXVI]

Mind if I ask, how much does an electric vehicle affect your power bill?

Oh actual data point! On my prior car, a 2015 Tesla S that I had for 6 years, I put 65,000 miles on it and only changed 1 set of tires. That is the only maintenance I had to do/pay for.

 

[Frank the Dank]

Maybe $30-40 a month doing maybe 200 miles a week. I'm semi-retired so I do not drive much anymore other than errands and grandkids to/from school etc... So, prior to the current gas gouge, about 1 tank per month. Current car gets about 150mpg equivalent. Electricity is far cheaper than gas and more efficient. Our electricity is quite cheap here so that helps.

That’s much less expensive than I would have guessed…

 

[Fermented_Fruitz]

Woof woof

 

[DCLXVI]

That’s much less expensive than I would have guessed…

Out electricity is quite cheap here so that helps a ton. I would gauge off the 120-150mpg conversion for how many gallons you typically use. I get 5miles per kWh and cost $0.07 per kWh, 200 miles / 5m/kWh = 20kWh at $0.07 = $1.40 or so

 

[Fermented_Fruitz]