I really feel like giving up.

[Waira]

Thanks guys.
I'm calming down a little. To clarify I've done 2 runs in this tents. Photos first run and autos second run. My heat got a little higher in flowering of the photos than I'd have liked, but was the only unusual stress I could think of

These autos REALLY surprised me. Thought I did everything right. Very pretty buds, lots of color in some. idk
fwiw, I was doing some measuring and if I remove the shelves from my closet (where I grew before) It is actually 49"x88" inches. Not far off from the 48x96 tent. I could move back in there.

Although after cooling off I do agree with not trashing the tent.

Here are the genetics

Run 1 all Fem Photos btw I just remembered it was 5 plants not 6
1x Barney's Farm Ayahuasca Purple
2x Barney's farm Blue Gelato 41
2x Ethos Grape Bubba - One of these was some of the best smoke I've ever grown and I lucked out because it had the fewest seeds out of the bunch

Run 2 all Autos
2x Advanced Seeds Blue Diesel autos
3x Blimburn GG#4 Autos
3x Exotic Seeds Monster Mash autos

Thanks again.

.... hmmm, 2 for two, totally different genetics on each run,...with auto's no less so light leaks are a non-factor...

Stitching holes typically aren't enough to cause such a issue in photo's, regardless... I gather it was a new tent? I saw that you did clean the interior with bleach... Fully indoors?
It begs some questions for sure! Well covered by some of the replies too.... I'm trying to shuffle the odds on things here,...
Having two runs back to back go FUBAR is exceptionally unlucky, even with dubious genetics (I'm with Proph here, I trust most of those brands as far as I can toss a fart!).... That the auto's somehow got knocked up is the greater mystery here, maybe even the answer IF you can recall if you found any male flowers on them? I have been told by more than one solid source that sometimes nanners, even full male flowers make weak to non-viable pollen.... I've had two auto's (at the same time) show full male flowers at two nodes, opened, but oddly enough not a single seed! That was almost certainly a light issue, totally unrelated strains, no known hermie issues with either...
Heat/light stress ( like accidental sudden shifts in timing and hours on/off) are known triggers, but hardly automatic.... Even auto's can get wonky with such things though, just less likely generally. What light sched' were you on, and type of lights? Distance to tops?

Not knowing who the culprit was on the first run is a drag, but cross contamination would have been my first choice here. As unlikely as it is, I have to ask if the ducting was maybe swapped, intake for exhaust, with pollen residing in the ducting... Often overlooked!
Oh, what exactly did you find on the hermies, nanners in the bud proper (usually not fully developed male flowers, petals and all), or full-on male flowers at the node junctions? It's technical, but there are different types of hermaphrodism/intersex expression and which one matters in such a case...

It may sound silly, but one last check on the tent would be warranted... Sit in there, fully empty, and let your eyes adjust to the darkness. It'd be an $$ shame to junk it if not at fault here!
Truth is you'll likely never know for sure, but process of elimination can offer you some solace and prompt you to keep at it! For practical reasons, I'd recommend getting two smaller tents, allows you to juggle light phases and even auto and photo's as space and needs allow -
Speedy genetics can be found, just ask and research some,... Sour Crack has already been mentioned, Sour Livers is fast too; Sweet and Female have some quick cycle cultivars, Sweet's F1FV photo's are another excellent choice for speed! These are F1 Photo x auto crosses, light sensitive still but quicker in bloom than their parents....
Short Stuff has fine genetics, but can't recall which ones are fastest, you'll have to look them up... :smoking:

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Could water quality be an issue? My last two runs have some out seedy with my last one being enough seeds for several breeder packs. I never saw male parts despite the huge amount of pictures I took and every clone, every pheno, and every strain had some seeds somewhere in the buds.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere. Tap, RO, rain? A quality report if it's tap or well might help to rule it out. Idk much about this but never know.

Found seeds right towards the end of harvest on more obvious buds. At one point every grind was a clatter of seeds falling. We only know as much as you can tell us.

 

[NoviceProfessor]

Ahhh.. Most of those are borderline cringe imo, one (ethos) is certified cringe and known for herms and stolen genetics. I've never ran gear from any of the breeders listed, and wouldn't ever.. Not worth the risk in my opinion. Did ALL of your plants herm or did one plant herm and seed all the others? Did you find pollen sacs on all of the plants?

I'm pretty sure some hermed and seeded the others.
I had indeed heard that about Ethos, but prior to this I hadn't had many problems and didn't see any stressors. Still don't see any stressors really if the shitload of pinholes aren't a problem.. And like I said, I've zipped myself in there to check and it was zero visibility to me.
Advanced and Blimburn aren't ones I have any experience with before this either.

Surprised to hear Barney's Farm is cringeworthy though? I've actually had some great Barney's Farm autos.

The best for me in my experience prior to this tent were HSO, Dinafem, Barney's Farm. DNA.

Who are some breeders you consider more stable?

 

[NoviceProfessor]

The other thing we have not talked about is the possibility of a wind born pollination from up wind? I know three miles is not too far for pollen to travel and have heard reports of 12 miles? Do you live where they grow hemp?

No hemp nearby at all.

 

[NoviceProfessor]

.... hmmm, 2 for two, totally different genetics on each run,...with auto's no less so light leaks are a non-factor...

Stitching holes typically aren't enough to cause such a issue in photo's, regardless... I gather it was a new tent? I saw that you did clean the interior with bleach... Fully indoors?
It begs some questions for sure! Well covered by some of the replies too.... I'm trying to shuffle the odds on things here,...
Having two runs back to back go FUBAR is exceptionally unlucky, even with dubious genetics (I'm with Proph here, I trust most of those brands as far as I can toss a fart!).... That the auto's somehow got knocked up is the greater mystery here, maybe even the answer IF you can recall if you found any male flowers on them? I have been told by more than one solid source that sometimes nanners, even full male flowers make weak to non-viable pollen.... I've had two auto's (at the same time) show full male flowers at two nodes, opened, but oddly enough not a single seed! That was almost certainly a light issue, totally unrelated strains, no known hermie issues with either...
Heat/light stress ( like accidental sudden shifts in timing and hours on/off) are known triggers, but hardly automatic.... Even auto's can get wonky with such things though, just less likely generally. What light sched' were you on, and type of lights? Distance to tops?

Not knowing who the culprit was on the first run is a drag, but cross contamination would have been my first choice here. As unlikely as it is, I have to ask if the ducting was maybe swapped, intake for exhaust, with pollen residing in the ducting... Often overlooked!
Oh, what exactly did you find on the hermies, nanners in the bud proper (usually not fully developed male flowers, petals and all), or full-on male flowers at the node junctions? It's technical, but there are different types of hermaphrodism/intersex expression and which one matters in such a case...

It may sound silly, but one last check on the tent would be warranted... Sit in there, fully empty, and let your eyes adjust to the darkness. It'd be an $$ shame to junk it if not at fault here!
Truth is you'll likely never know for sure, but process of elimination can offer you some solace and prompt you to keep at it! For practical reasons, I'd recommend getting two smaller tents, allows you to juggle light phases and even auto and photo's as space and needs allow -
Speedy genetics can be found, just ask and research some,... Sour Crack has already been mentioned, Sour Livers is fast too; Sweet and Female have some quick cycle cultivars, Sweet's F1FV photo's are another excellent choice for speed! These are F1 Photo x auto crosses, light sensitive still but quicker in bloom than their parents....
Short Stuff has fine genetics, but can't recall which ones are fastest, you'll have to look them up... :smoking:

New tent.
Fully indoors.
Schedule on the autos was 18.5 or 19 hours of light per day. Can't remember which, but it was steady and didn't change throughout. I was very diligent about my light cycles, especially after the first disastrer.
Light SpiderFarmer 4000
Distance from tops... I really don't know. I should have started asking questions sooner obviously lol. I'll throw out 26" but that's a pretty wild guess.
Good tip to remember on the ducting. But no, that was not the case either.
The tent is not getting trashed. It has been taken down and will see action again But I have decided to turn my 4'x7'4" closet into a room and do my next run in there. I do also have a 32"x32"X60" inch tent that I can do some different things in. Stepping up in size suddenly certainly did seem to bring on some growing pains, if you will.... pun intended.
Thanks for the recommendations. I've run sweet seeds Dark Devil and Red poison autos multiple times each, with mostly good results. Some seem to turn out with much airier buds than others. Beautiful and tasty, all of them though.

 

[NoviceProfessor]

Could water quality be an issue? My last two runs have some out seedy with my last one being enough seeds for several breeder packs. I never saw male parts despite the huge amount of pictures I took and every clone, every pheno, and every strain had some seeds somewhere in the buds.

I didn't see it mentioned anywhere. Tap, RO, rain? A quality report if it's tap or well might help to rule it out. Idk much about this but never know.

Found seeds right towards the end of harvest on more obvious buds. At one point every grind was a clatter of seeds falling. We only know as much as you can tell us.
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Mine were much like this. Not quite as easy to spot as in that pic. But almost, and plenty of big fat seeds too.

 

[NoviceProfessor]

Mine were much like this. Not quite as easy to spot as in that pic. But almost, and plenty of big fat seeds too.

Tap water left out to set for 24 hours. Sometimes distilled, or a mixture of the two.

 

[bil]

what were your temp and humidity ranges while growing?

have there been any other changes? is the tent the only major change?

when plants herm, some are genetically just gonna do it. but you have great variance and got seeds both times.

this makes me think you have another issue. there is a stress factor (of combination of 2 or more) that are making your plants herm on you.

2 things right off the bat that I would investigate. heat and light.

1. Did you have any crazy high temp swings? that's a pretty surefire way to make a plant stress herm.

2. go inside your tent close it up with the lights on. Do you see any light leaks? do you have equipment in your tent that throws off any light? cover those light sources and make it BLACK in there. do the seams of your tent suck? have someone run a flashlight along it with all the lights off and you inside looking for light penetration.

Hope some of that helps.!


*edit. I read the whole thread. cross contamination of pollen from the first run is my guess too now.

that comment about light leaks on autos being a non issue is golden. i forgot! lol i'm more of a photo guy just getting into autos.)

 

[bil]

Any of you here reading this work for Monsanto.
Fuck you(incase you're illiterate )...and go die under a rock.

Monsanto will lobby against outdoor grows from hobbyists.

Here is something interesting that bastards, like the folks at monsanto are working on. plants with no pistils!!!

At first I thought, you greedy assholes. It's a way to stop us from being able to reproduce their genetics (and you know they are going to find and patent a super unique terp or something. the next cookies or whatever) via pollination.

Then I started to think about it a lil more... It's a beautiful solution to ensuring you get sinsemilia from your outdoor every time! makes me kind of happy when i think about that.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Tap water left out to set for 24 hours. Sometimes distilled, or a mixture of the two.

Are you able to measure the EC/TDS/ppm and pH? Try looking for a water quality report as wellm