I really feel like giving up.

[NoviceProfessor]

I worked with our town's water ORC when I was the town clerk for the town; I can tell you first hand that water quality changes DAILY, especially in smaller towns/municipalities where the treatment options may be limited or less intensive. Any time someone cracks a hydrant, it shocks the line and we get epic amounts of shit coming through until it clears.

Good to know. I'm actually on a rural water supply. Outside of city limits. Not sure how much, if any that matters. I know the quality in regards to drinking is much better than any town/city I've lived in.
Nevertheless, absolutely something for me to keep an eye on.

 

[NoviceProfessor]

You guys are great. I appreciate all the effort to help and many good ideas.
At some point I think I remember someone asking about temp and humidity range.
Humidity while the autos were flowering varied between 47 % and 58%. But over the course of multiple days. In other words there was never an 11% swing in a short time. Daily range usually stayed overall steady and would rise a few points with lights out. I'd say an average humidity of of about 50-51%
Temps virtually never rose above 79, which was pushing it for me. I did find temp a bit more difficult to control in the tent. My daily highs were often 77.7 f and lows around 71-72 degrees f.

 

[Tmonney]

.... hmmm, 2 for two, totally different genetics on each run,...with auto's no less so light leaks are a non-factor...

Stitching holes typically aren't enough to cause such a issue in photo's, regardless... I gather it was a new tent? I saw that you did clean the interior with bleach... Fully indoors?
It begs some questions for sure! Well covered by some of the replies too.... I'm trying to shuffle the odds on things here,...
Having two runs back to back go FUBAR is exceptionally unlucky, even with dubious genetics (I'm with Proph here, I trust most of those brands as far as I can toss a fart!).... That the auto's somehow got knocked up is the greater mystery here, maybe even the answer IF you can recall if you found any male flowers on them? I have been told by more than one solid source that sometimes nanners, even full male flowers make weak to non-viable pollen.... I've had two auto's (at the same time) show full male flowers at two nodes, opened, but oddly enough not a single seed! That was almost certainly a light issue, totally unrelated strains, no known hermie issues with either...
Heat/light stress ( like accidental sudden shifts in timing and hours on/off) are known triggers, but hardly automatic.... Even auto's can get wonky with such things though, just less likely generally. What light sched' were you on, and type of lights? Distance to tops?

Not knowing who the culprit was on the first run is a drag, but cross contamination would have been my first choice here. As unlikely as it is, I have to ask if the ducting was maybe swapped, intake for exhaust, with pollen residing in the ducting... Often overlooked!
Oh, what exactly did you find on the hermies, nanners in the bud proper (usually not fully developed male flowers, petals and all), or full-on male flowers at the node junctions? It's technical, but there are different types of hermaphrodism/intersex expression and which one matters in such a case...

It may sound silly, but one last check on the tent would be warranted... Sit in there, fully empty, and let your eyes adjust to the darkness. It'd be an $$ shame to junk it if not at fault here!
Truth is you'll likely never know for sure, but process of elimination can offer you some solace and prompt you to keep at it! For practical reasons, I'd recommend getting two smaller tents, allows you to juggle light phases and even auto and photo's as space and needs allow -
Speedy genetics can be found, just ask and research some,... Sour Crack has already been mentioned, Sour Livers is fast too; Sweet and Female have some quick cycle cultivars, Sweet's F1FV photo's are another excellent choice for speed! These are F1 Photo x auto crosses, light sensitive still but quicker in bloom than their parents....
Short Stuff has fine genetics, but can't recall which ones are fastest, you'll have to look them up... :smoking:

Did you get the tent from a dealer? Did the tent packaging look legit? It could have possibly been a return item. Even if someone just measured their room wrong and only set it up enough to realize it wouldn't fit, it could still have been contaminated if they had pollen in the air of their home.

 

[Tmonney]

@NoviceProfessor a couple more questions. You HAVE successfully grown cannabis. But NOT in this tent?

Where'd the tent come from? How was the packaging? Could it have been a return? New? Used? From a buddy?

Am still leaning that you had one girl per run that popped some balls and everybody got a little touch....

Damn I just mentioned this a page ago I hadn't seen this yet. Lol I guess lesson learned I should read the thread entirely before posting.

 

[NoviceProfessor]

Damn I just mentioned this a page ago I hadn't seen this yet. Lol I guess lesson learned I should read the thread entirely before posting.

Yep. lol. My answer was Post #35 on page 4 of the thread if you missed it. I know it can be hard to follow a long thread
New tent From Cool Grows via Amazon, packaging was fine.

 

[WildBill]

Yep. lol. My answer was Post #35 on page 4 of the thread if you missed it. I know it can be hard to follow a long thread
New tent From Cool Grows via Amazon, packaging was fine.

Find a Catholic priest to perform a exorcism!























Make sure the kids are safely hidden!

 

[NoviceProfessor]

Well folks, I appreciate everything. I have absorbed a ton of ideas and been reminded of a bunch of factors to keep a closer eye on in the future.
Good news. The only major problem I did have with the tent itself was VERY weak welds on the corner and t-shaped pieces. One broke right away when I initially was putting the tent up at the beginning of the year. I contacted cool grows and they sent a replacement piece.

While taking the tent down the other night, two more pieces bent. I emailed Cool Grows and told them about the problem. All I was asking for was replacement pieces, and I would have even been willing to pay a small fee if necessary. At first they asked for pics and said they would send replacement pieces when I sent pics.
At the time it was really late and the tent poles were in the garage, so I was going to get pics yesterday. But before I had a chance I received an email saying they were out of replacement parts and would like to send me a whole new tent!!!!! How's that for customer service?

And besides that, this situation has already prompted me to start a lot of cleaning and organizing in preparation for rearranging everything and making my big closet into a grow room. Long story short, I'm still feeling the pain a little, but am excited to start fresh.

I'll pop in here some time in the future to let you guys know how my upcoming auto grow goes.
Thanks again!

 

[Arthur]

Some lessons we learn from others mistakes if we're lucky.
Occasionally shit happens and we get burnt pretty bad, that's the lesson we never forget.

 

[420Forever]

Well folks, I appreciate everything. I have absorbed a ton of ideas and been reminded of a bunch of factors to keep a closer eye on in the future.
Good news. The only major problem I did have with the tent itself was VERY weak welds on the corner and t-shaped pieces. One broke right away when I initially was putting the tent up at the beginning of the year. I contacted cool grows and they sent a replacement piece.

While taking the tent down the other night, two more pieces bent. I emailed Cool Grows and told them about the problem. All I was asking for was replacement pieces, and I would have even been willing to pay a small fee if necessary. At first they asked for pics and said they would send replacement pieces when I sent pics.
At the time it was really late and the tent poles were in the garage, so I was going to get pics yesterday. But before I had a chance I received an email saying they were out of replacement parts and would like to send me a whole new tent!!!!! How's that for customer service?

And besides that, this situation has already prompted me to start a lot of cleaning and organizing in preparation for rearranging everything and making my big closet into a grow room. Long story short, I'm still feeling the pain a little, but am excited to start fresh.

I'll pop in here some time in the future to let you guys know how my upcoming auto grow goes.
Thanks again!

ppp

 

[Syco79]

After years of discrete closet grow with no major problems, I got legal (my state's laws recently changed) got an 8x4 tent and started growing in that at the beginning of February.
6 Plants. Photos. All hermied.
I checked everywhere for light leaks. You can indeed see light from the outside through tiny pinholes in the zipper and some at the corners. However, I have zipped myself up in there and literally can't see an inch in front of my eye. Looks like total darkness to me.

Now I had 8 autos looking absolutely beautiful and almost ready.. Went to water them, probably the last watering of the flush for 5 or 6 out of the 8 (A couple looked like they needed a little extra time) and saw what I thought was a seed in a bud right in front of my eyes.

Sure enough. They ALL hermed. And bad. FULL of seeds. I'm sick to my stomach. I'm giving that tent away. Whether it's the tents fault or not, every plant I've grown in that tent is a hermie, and every plant I've grown elsewhere has NOT been a hermie, so I want nothing to do with that tent. lol

I really had a passion. My friends who grow are actually envious that my buds come out looking so amazing. But what's the point if there is more seeds than Mexican brick weed? I'm truly heartbroken. Nearly 8 months (counting both runs of hermies) of blood, sweat and tears down the drain.

I guess I needed to vent. I really feel like giving up. It's almost a relief to not have to put all of my energy and love into plants that just break my heart at the very end.

Hi mate. I'm new to this site and not so new to growing, always photos before. I was never to over careful about making sure the room was pitch black, suppose I justified it as the moon gives off more light than the hallway light coming under the closed door. (Sorry didn't explain my set up....I was and still am growing in a wardrobe...prob 2'x2'.... 2 to 4 photos with a blurple LED, air/smart pots 8Ltr.. cheap coco coir from blocks and cheap nutrients. The one thing I really get fussy about is the ph of my water, alot of lime were I live in Oxfordshire UK also can be very damp and cold even around late July, even freezing in September. Losing my thought process cos haven't smoked for about 2 weeks, I refuse to by the crap that comes from the street. 0.7 for £10 and its crap. Anyway I'm trying to keep you encouraged, please dont give up and I agree pollen can get everywhere. I suppose I'm trying to say I dont think you've done anything wrong. So please please keep going. Listen to the advise the other people/comments have said. I would love to chat more because I think you've got alot to offer. Please let me know if my reply has come through ok. Keep it up mate. Ps. Just read over what I wrote so hope it makes sense.