Lighting HLG Diablo QB

[Slim Piggens]

Man! I envy your profession. I've spent nearly a decade being a diesel mechanic, pandemic ended that for me and I'm not upset. I'm right there with you now lol. I've decided how and where I want to grow now it's just grabbing everything I need. I'm going with Connery's Highlights for my flower spaces but I've been in the hunt for a veg light, ideally with some UVA, but I'm interested to see what HLG has in the future. High cri veg lights are hard to find outside of 3000k, I veg in 3000k, but my CMH and MH have always been better imo and the CMH sits at 97cri. I have found one solution from Waveform but my budget

I never looked too hard at the B spec, were the diodes deeper in the 395nm range or something else?

You shared plenty already. It's a shame vertical rack lighting is always so expensive. There are so many height challenged growers that can't afford a $1000 light or DIY one for close proximity.

It would be amazing if we could pool our money together to assemble something like that with around 500-900 ppfd, 2.0+umols, UV, 630-730 in a close proximity board that doesn't break the bank. Chain em together or optional frame - AFN exclusive autoflower light for seed/clone to harvest in 3000/4000k.

Would love that man... But We would need seven figures in presales though just to get Samsung all excited about us unfortunately. (shakes fist at the sky for not being the scion of a pos oligarch!!/s)

Oh, it’s funny you mention waveform monitoring, I sold mine last year... It hurts so bad buying one but they do maintain their value, so I was thankful for that.

It’s also funny that you mention CMH and MH and CRI values/Spectrum. I am back to strongly looking at these as my winter solution and use LEDs spring summer. The cookie rendition and spectrum, like you said are very hard to beat, especially when comparing prices.

Which brings me to another point...

I found this tidbit while googling the HLG Scorpion R Spec and Diablo LED fixtures to see if I could post a pic and I came across some information that is now “public” through HLG’s own wholesale preview page:

So, they are using 6 boards QBs for an even light at just 12” from the canopy... With this information, the design is dead simple to figure out and why I said,”Why didn’t I think of that?” But what’s funny is I did... By wanting to build lights similar to the 300w r specs but evenly spaced. Same concept, they just put it together in a really neat package with one driver instead of three.

Hope that helps! They listed that information so I thought I could share a little more given the info they’ve released publicly.

Appreciate you @damien50 and @pop22 fot letting me jabber on these lights.. Thanks Guys!

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Would love that man... But We would need seven figures in presales though just to get Samsung all excited about us unfortunately. (shakes fist at the sky for not being the scion of a pos oligarch!!/s)

Oh, it’s funny you mention waveform monitoring, I sold mine last year... It hurts so bad buying one but they do maintain their value, so I was thankful for that.

It’s also funny that you mention CMH and MH and CRI values/Spectrum. I am back to strongly looking at these as my winter solution and use LEDs spring summer. The cookie rendition and spectrum, like you said are very hard to beat, especially when comparing prices.

Which brings me to another point...

I found this tidbit while googling the HLG Scorpion R Spec and Diablo LED fixtures to see if I could post a pic and I came across some information that is now “public” through HLG’s own wholesale preview page:

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So, they are using 6 boards QBs for an even light at just 12” from the canopy... With this information, the design is dead simple to figure out and why I said,”Why didn’t I think of that?” But what’s funny is I did... By wanting to build lights similar to the 300w r specs but evenly spaced. Same concept, they just put it together in a really neat package with one driver instead of three.

Hope that helps! They listed that information so I thought I could share a little more given the info they’ve released publicly.

Appreciate you @damien50 and @pop22 fot letting me jabber on these lights.. Thanks Guys! View attachment 1236382

Nah, we wouldn't go with Samsung. Nichia and Osram would be a good start. I think hitting UVA-730nm, seen the phosphor coated reds that are like 54%, would be nice. We would still need to buy a bunch of diodes and PCB lol. I want like a 3500k, 95+ cri that could do 2+umols. I've been looking into it but I think the PCB would have to be acrylic to save money.

I'm excited to see the test reports on these new boards. I would love a B spec, I looked them up lol, with UVA/near and the 450 in like a 4000k. Everything I've find has been $150+ a board. Thanks for sharing the info though, can't wait to drool over these.

 

[pop22]

Your putting too much emphasis on CRI. CRI is a meaningless value as far as horticulture is concerned. CRI is merely an index of how well we see the colors produced by LEDs. It is a rating of only the visible portions of the spectrum.

 

[Death The Cultivator]

Your putting too much emphasis on CRI. CRI is a meaningless value as far as horticulture is concerned. CRI is merely an index of how well we see the colors produced by LEDs. It is a rating of only the visible portions of the spectrum.

The higher cri I've seen has shown greater shifts in the red and higher green. Same can be accomplished adding extra 630-660/730nm that cause the emerson effect sub 800ish ppfd. More red= more growth, more green=less shade avoidance. Cri 90 has almost 3x what cri 70 does in red. Plus higher cri reduces flowering, I'm guessing because there is more red for phytochrome.

I think this is part of why CMH are still good but even then extra red doesn't hurt.

 

[derek420colorado]

The higher cri I've seen has shown greater shifts in the red and higher green. Same can be accomplished adding extra 630-660/730nm that cause the emerson effect sub 800ish ppfd. More red= more growth, more green=less shade avoidance. Cri 90 has almost 3x what cri 70 does in red. Plus higher cri reduces flowering, I'm guessing because there is more red for phytochrome.

I think this is part of why CMH are still good but even then extra red doesn't hurt.

Huh lol

 

[Slim Piggens]

Here are the new lights!!

 

[Slim Piggens]

Here is a link to GML’s show where Steve from HLG, GML and more discuss the lights.

Thank you @pop22 for letting me post in your thread, I appreciate it and hope that you are well.

 

[pop22]

Nice!

Here are the new lights!!


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[pop22]

Your always welcome Slim!

Here is a link to GML’s show where Steve from HLG, GML and more discuss the lights.

Thank you @pop22 for letting me post in your thread, I appreciate it and hope that you are well.

 

[pop22]

I just snagged 4 more Diablo boards! Cobkits has a 20% of everything sale!

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