Indoor Growing Scrog

[MN8484]

25.11 Scrogged them, 3.5 weeks down...

 

[420autoflower]

Thanks King! DOA, a question for you. In your last series of posts of one of your grows, from awhile ago, I noticed that you used what appeared to be a pair of Migro Aray 2s in a 2x4' tent. If that is correct, can you guess the distance you kept between the plants, and the dimmer settings, if you dimmed at all, throughout the grow? I happen to have the same lights, and can match your distance(s) and do a PPFD & DLI simulation. Sorry to keep bugging everyone with this, but my concern is having my lights too close to the canopy, and having short thick stems develop, which is what I've always done in the past, and that is exactly what happened. I want to be reasonably sure I can get 420's and your stem elongations in the weeks before scrogging out. Thank you!

Wish I was able to help. Stretch is something that I haven’t figured out yet. As you already know I hit my autos with the same amount of lighting with every grow and sometimes I get taller plants and sometimes they stay short.

I could have missed some things about the method, but reasons holding back adoption for me (growing for self) include:
a) optimally needs automated feeding, setting up and maintaining a reservoir, plumbing, etc. (vs. say simple mix and drain-to-waste)
b) rockwool seems expensive (e.g., use multiple 8x8 blocks/plant at ~$10-$20/block; can't reuse blocks)
c) spreading out the plant means a drastic reduction in variety of strains being grown; 1 plant could fill the tent!
d) I'm still not a believer in drastic leaf removal, shwazzing, etc.
e) No claims of better quality or yield per space used vs. say growing more plants in same space, doing LST and maintaining a level canopy


Perhaps search the world's biomedical, including toxicology, literature such as PUBMED, and agricultural literature such as AGRICOLA. Also, many standard toxicology references likely have entries for triacontanol. Check the Registry of Toxic Effects of Chemical Substances (RTECS) if it's available.

Triacontanol is regulated in the US by EPA as a pesticide, and there should be lots of studies associated with that. For ex., see https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/08/16/2017-17338/1-triacontanol-exemption-from-the-requirement-of-a-tolerance#:~:text=for 1-triacontanol.-,VIII.,directions and good agricultural practices.

No automated fertigation needed. The 420autoflwer method can be done with hand fed coco/perlite and the water to run off method.

My Grodan 4x4” cubes cost me about .50 and the 6x6” Hugo’s $3.50 each. Really not much to pay considering how much cannabis you can produce with them.

We prune a lot of what we grow from roses to trees for healthier growth and higher yields so why wouldn’t the same principles apply to growing weed?
Like many of us here… I prefer growing big dense colas and not a bunch of foliage and unwanted fluff bud.

The method is comparable in yield to SOG but the quality of the end product is higher with SCROG. Plant count is also less with scrogging and that’s always a good thing. I wasn't legal when I was running SOG, but am now. With my current grow I’ve got a 2 plant scrog in a 4x2’ tent next to another 4x2’ tent with a 6 plant SOG for a little comparison.

Thanks again for posting your wealth of information as well as your kind words

I hit day 17 of veg today on my two photo plants, I decided they're just about appropriate size to start scrogging; since people were asking you for a video I decided to record it.

Is this on-brand with the way you do it? Hope it's helpful for someone out there!

Appreciate you doing that for us Brother!
You did a fine job!

Couple of close-up photo follow-ups to show off the aggressive knuckling and HST bends, I feel like it went really well! Didn't end up breaking or tearing off any branches, my bends didn't snap the stem open anywhere. Took about 15 minutes total!
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My plan is to let them grow horizontally for almost a month while my flower tent finishes out and empties out. Around new years I'll be moving these ladies from a 2x4 tent to their final home 5x5 tent, I'll probably continue scrogging for 1-4 more weeks in their new home before flipping them to flower.

I'm hoping the timing ends up working out, I'm sure it'll be a big hassle to move these to a bigger tent and rescrog in a few weeks. Might take some clones in a week or two as a way to slow/cull progress

I’m always suprised at how fast they bounce back from all the abuse. Seems pretty brutal when you’re in the process but if done carefully it doesn’t seem like they skip a beat. The leaves and tops might droop immediately after but within a couple hours everything is reaching for the light again, which is a clear sign of successful supercropping.
Nice that you were able to do your HST in veg and not have to reach in your toolbox for instruments of torture.

The Photone app, iPhone version, was $7 when I purchased it a few months ago. It's simple and easy to use, very well done. The clamp-on cosine diffuser that the Photone people recommend was $27 when I checked the other day, less than what I paid for it. Would bet you'll really like knowing exactly what's going on with your lighting -- if you're using watts effectively and wisely.

I’m going to take the plunge Bro!
No reason not too!

Thanks King! DOA, a question for you. In your last series of posts of one of your grows, from awhile ago, I noticed that you used what appeared to be a pair of Migro Aray 2s in a 2x4' tent. If that is correct, can you guess the distance you kept between the plants, and the dimmer settings, if you dimmed at all, throughout the grow? I happen to have the same lights, and can match your distance(s) and do a PPFD & DLI simulation. Sorry to keep bugging everyone with this, but my concern is having my lights too close to the canopy, and having short thick stems develop, which is what I've always done in the past, and that is exactly what happened. I want to be reasonably sure I can get 420's and your stem elongations in the weeks before scrogging out. Thank you!

Wish I had the answer for you Brother!
That’s something a lot of us would like to know.
I know genetics is a factor but there must be other variables.

Hello @420autoflower , hows it growing friend? I am seeking some guidance from you. I know you like to setup your tents super cheap. Im moving my outdoor operation indoors and want to setup a 3x3 or even better a 4x4 but i want to do it in the cheap cheap! Any suggestions for tents, lights, and exhaust would help greatly, as i know youve sourced alot of great deals and you know what works and what doesnt. Any help Greatly Appreciated!!! Hope all is well. Thank you in advance!

Doing well buddy! Thanks!
You asked the right person!
I’ve always grown with the cheapest equipment I could find out there and know from experience that you don’t need top dollar gear to get good results. My average complete 2x2’ setup only runs $165 for everything and that’s including the DIY hydro unit.
If you’re considering doing a high yield scrog and want to keep it simple I recommend you to start with a hand fed coco/perlite grow in a 2x2’ with the water to run off method. It’s a good way to start getting into hydro and you’ll be able to grow big plants.

I couldn’t find the $49 150 watt QBs I’m currently running but these light will work fine.

 

[420autoflower]

25.11 Scrogged them, 3.5 weeks down...

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Beautiful!!!

 

[JP1]

Can verify zazzy tents are decent. Mine's a couple years old and still holding strong

 

[Mongoose]

Thanks yet again for your help 420.

Day 23
Nutrient switched to GH FloraNova Grow. 500ppm. pH 6.
Will gradually up nutrient to 750ppm over the next few days.
Large fan leaves tucked under new stems.

 

[HAWKMAN]

8 plant scrog grow in a 24x48x72” tent with 3 Trichomes & Cream, 1 Fast Buds Cherry Cola, 2 Mephisto Hubbabubbasmellowscope and 2 Mephisto Mephisto Skylar Whites
Day 24
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Day 28
Before and after first heavy defoliation
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Day 32
Stripped them down again, supercropped and set them in their final home before lowering a 3” net over the top.View attachment 1564584View attachment 1564586View attachment 1564588View attachment 1564589

Day 34
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Day 38
About 300 nodes made it to the top in only 5 days
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wow !! just found your picture journal -- a bit of work ; hey ? !! perfect looking scrog ( I scrog but I do it by removing fans at specific time during week 1-2-3) anyway good yields a-head of you