Indoor Growing Scrog

[Lil Dab]

Thats super impressive and the first time ive seen it done not in rockwool. @BII i stand corrected! Rockwool is not necessary lol

Thanks again bro it's the training and timing of the method that a super key IMO a good feed program helps too. If this one comes in as expected it probably will be my biggest plant but I've have a few plants pushing a pound and over before her. I've never used rock wool always just coco and the biggest pot I use is 3 gallons.

 

[BII]

OK, but is the potency or overall quality improved using the full 420 Method (with Rockwool and its various protocols for watering, use of a net, defoliation, etc.)? That's what would be needed to make me seriously consider switching.

And can someone also address whether the full method is actually more productive. Is the weight of good buds/sq. ft. of tent space better vs. more conventional growing (crowding plants in a tent); by how much?

 

[Lil Dab]

OK, but is the potency or overall quality improved using the full 420 Method (with Rockwool and its various protocols for watering, use of a net, defoliation, etc.)? That's what would be needed to make me seriously consider switching.

And can someone also address whether the weight of good buds/sq. ft. of tent space is actually better vs. more conventional growing (crowding plants in a tent).

It doesn't look any worse that's for sure this would be hard to get definite science data to it with out using clones and testing equipment. From what I'm seeing it's the same just yield improvement don't see it having bad effects besides adding time and work to the grow. Granted this is my first time using this training method and haven't tried the buds yet so just going by looks and smells the quality is the same

At the end of the day what can it hurt to keep everything the same your doing watering and add a cheap scrog net and give it a try just using the training methods IMO it's the only way your going to truly know if your going to like it maybe it's not for you. I like it but don't think i'll be doing to every plant just cause of the work

 

[Lil Dab]

Here it is I thought @420autoflower posted some test results this is just comparing schwazzing plants

The proof is in the pudding buddy!
We prune the vegetables, flowers and even the trees that we grow to improve yield and overall health. Why would cannabis be any different?
Not just bro science…. I know from experience that heavy defoliation definitely increases yield and helps promote healthier growth.

Nebula's Cannabis Defoliation Experiment - Side-by-side grow journal | Grow Weed Easy​

...so it’s time for the second defoliation. Today is Defoliation day: Part 2 Natural tent Defoliated tent (before today’s 2nd defoliation) Here they are after the defoliation tent was plucked...

www.growweedeasy.com

I don’t know about you but I don’t count fluff bud so in my opinion the defoliated tent yielded close to 40% more than the naturally grown tent.

Found here:

Post in thread 'SCHWAZZING AUTOFLOWER'

Feb 9, 2025

I grow thousands of plants at a time. I've easily brought close to 40,000+ cannabis plants to full term commercially now and I run a commercial cannabis grow currently in Colorado.

I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you have about schwazzing plants.

That said, you WILL kindly watch your mouth when you're a guest on this forum. You've been insulting to multiple members here for no reason, and no one gives a shit about your justifications of acting that way. Being a rude asshole will get you booted from this forum; this is your only warning and I was hesitant to even...

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[KingRatt]

Here it is I thought @420autoflower posted some test results this is just comparing schwazzing plants

The proof is in the pudding buddy!
We prune the vegetables, flowers and even the trees that we grow to improve yield and overall health. Why would cannabis be any different?
Not just bro science…. I know from experience that heavy defoliation definitely increases yield and helps promote healthier growth.

Nebula's Cannabis Defoliation Experiment - Side-by-side grow journal | Grow Weed Easy​

...so it’s time for the second defoliation. Today is Defoliation day: Part 2 Natural tent Defoliated tent (before today’s 2nd defoliation) Here they are after the defoliation tent was plucked...

www.growweedeasy.com

I don’t know about you but I don’t count fluff bud so in my opinion the defoliated tent yielded close to 40% more than the naturally grown tent.

Found here:

Post in thread 'SCHWAZZING AUTOFLOWER'

Feb 9, 2025

I grow thousands of plants at a time. I've easily brought close to 40,000+ cannabis plants to full term commercially now and I run a commercial cannabis grow currently in Colorado.

I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you have about schwazzing plants.

That said, you WILL kindly watch your mouth when you're a guest on this forum. You've been insulting to multiple members here for no reason, and no one gives a shit about your justifications of acting that way. Being a rude asshole will get you booted from this forum; this is your only warning and I was hesitant to even...

• Olderfart

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Thats such a classic and well documented experiment! One of the reasons i defol the way i do!

 

[420autoflower]

And so it starts again, White Gen 3's c/o @Sawney_bean.

These girls will be started in 4" blocks then stacked on1.5 Hugos'. Nutrients for this run, General Hydropincs Flora Nova Grow and its corresponding Bloomer. Groteks Monster-Bloom will be used to supplement ppms during flower. They'll be getting moved to the grow space after a week or so.

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It’s about time my friend.
Happy to see you up and running again.

I think the guy said fertigation is every hour, something like that. He said he had to try it from curiousity, and tried it twice, to prove to himself that maybe 'more roots more fruit' didn't necessarily apply to rockwool and frequent fertigation. He was surprised at the results. I'm tempted to try only two 4" stacked Grodans on my next grow, with 5 min fertigations every two hours. Tempting fate.

I was fertigating my little ILGM Gushers every 4 hours but would have fed more frequently if I left her stacked 3 high. Wanted a bit more preflower time and a little more stability at the base so I added a Grodan 6x6x3” slab that I cut from a 3x12x36” slab before I locked her in place with the net.

OK, but is the potency or overall quality improved using the full 420 Method (with Rockwool and its various protocols for watering, use of a net, defoliation, etc.)? That's what would be needed to make me seriously consider switching.

And can someone also address whether the full method is actually more productive. Is the weight of good buds/sq. ft. of tent space better vs. more conventional growing (crowding plants in a tent); by how much?

With the 420 method you’ll be yielding more and producing more high quality product from everything growing on top of the canopy. And with the under canopy lighting I’m running the buds/colas down below share the same density and frost production as the ones up above. If you take a look at the plants and buds in my last update (2/15) you’ll see that each has well over 100 extremely dense and sticky top cola as opposed to a naturally grown plant with only 5-15.
Way more tops than mids!

420 Method users: Can you please recommend US-based online sources to purchase Grodan Rockwool cubes? Who has good or best prices?

Grow Generation

On Amazon, Big Mama 8" cubes are $20.36 each. I presume this is ≥2x the cost per plant of using coco/perlite. Stack 2 and that's over $40/plant. And the cubes can't be reused! Growing just a few plants looks to require much more investment in media vs. other options -- coco, soil-, peat-, etc. based media. But I presume the up-front cost may be more than counter-balanced by the increased production per plant.

Most of us are using the Grodan 4x4” and the 6x6” Hugo blocks. No need to spend the coin on the 8x8” Big Mama’s when you can grow a 3 pound auto in the 4x4 and 6x6 combination that you see in this thread.
Grow Generation pricing
4x4” cube .71 plus tax
6x6” Hugo block $3.50
Half a Hugo $1.75
Total: $5.96 plus tax

For me, the cost of media (the Grodan cubes) is yet another factor keeping me from adopting this grow method. Other factors include the need to buy, install and manage automated watering/feeding, a reservoir, water collecting trays, etc. A lot more is required vs. non-automated conventional growing. Obviously, the amount/weight of buds per plant is incredibly high with this method, but aside from this what other aspects of harvested buds are improved (or not)?

I don't recall(?) any discussions or conclusions here about this method providing better buds. Does this method result in better potency, quality, etc. vs. conventional growing, such as densely growing multiple plants using drain-to-waste with coco/perlite (my current method) or soil? Is the productivity (weight of quality buds/sq. ft. of tent space) better vs. densely growing multiple plants with coco/perlite and SOG? How do buds grown using this method compare to growing "full hydro."

If you don’t have an extra $35 to make yourself a simple DIY system than apply the 420autoflower scrog method to a simple hand fed water to run off coco grow and you’ll still get great results without the automation.
Growing in coco and rockwool is considered “full hydro”.
This method obviously requires a lot more work than your average grow but the payoff is well worth it! I would rather have over 150 main tops as opposed to 8.

FWIW ... For two plants: I bought two tiny pumps at amazon, $7 each, 3/8" tubing supplied. ( Lots of flow,
run them every 4 hrs for 10 mins. ) A Vivosun two-outlet timer, $16 ( plus the brain damage
incurred trying to program the darned thing -- hard to price ), two reservoir tubs, $9 each, two
drainage trays, $2 each. Some simple drilling and hacksawing on the drainage trays
and reservoirs, and that's it. I'm already a fan because my first/current grow is at least
twice the physical size of my previous grows with DWC. Otherwise, all the same: strain, ingredients, etc.
Day 101 report to follow.

Thank you Brother!
Very cheap and easy to build.

Day 101. Fastbuds Gorilla. ~20" diameter.
4" rockwool cube over a 6" cube, over half a 6" cube.
Auto fertigation with General Hydroponics 3-part nutes, 10 mins every 4 hours.
75 watts total for the two side/under canopy lights. 120 watts top light. 14 hrs on for all.
800-1,000 ppfd, 45-50 dli, all around.
EC 1.3 ( 650ppm ) pH 5.8-6.2 ( intentional drift )

Rookie guess: she's still 10-14 days away, maybe more? Dunno.
Her net wasn't useful anymore, removed it. Tied down some of the side
branches that were jammed up. Still might have to sacrifice
some of the thinner stems/buds in the center, they're very tight.


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She’s beautiful!
Almost to the finish line.

You can do the same thing in just coco this plant is in just a 3 gallon pot of coco.

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Looking good Dab!
She’s filling in nicely bro!
Thanks for showing her off here!

Rockwool is its own beast! It does not behave like soil or coco or hydroton, i really believe it is the only medium that can pull off the 420method with autos to its full potential! It seems to add time to autos in each stage and prolong all the cycles for all that added weight !!
Edit: i have adapted many of his techniques to soil and photoperiod plants, but for the results like Sensei @420autoflower gets with autos, i truly believe rockwool is necessary.

Thank you Brother!
You will actually get the same results with coco.
Half of the autos you see in this thread are grown in 2 gallon plastic grow bags filled with coco/perlite with my signature Grodan 4x4” on top, and I can safely say the coco combination is comparable to my 4x4” and 6x6” rockwool combination.

This was my 4 auto SOG I harvested a couple weeks ago. The 2 plants on the far left were grown in rockwool blocks, back right in a 2 gallon plastic grow bag filled with Grodan Grow Cubes and the largest plant in the front right corner was growing in a 2 gallon bag filled with Cloud Coir coco/perlite, and all 4 plants were being fed off the same reservoir for the same amount of time.
Haven’t finished cleaning it yet but the dry weight should be close to 7 pounds.

Down below is the South Side Genetics Chocolate Mint Jelly that you see in the front right corner of the SOG that was grown in coco/perlite.
@DOA

 

[420autoflower]

OK, but is the potency or overall quality improved using the full 420 Method (with Rockwool and its various protocols for watering, use of a net, defoliation, etc.)? That's what would be needed to make me seriously consider switching.

And can someone also address whether the full method is actually more productive. Is the weight of good buds/sq. ft. of tent space better vs. more conventional growing (crowding plants in a tent); by how much?

Yes, yes and yes!
Have you ever seen anyone grow a 2-3 pound auto or photo with 100-150 top colas in a 32x32x65” tent in a 100 days or less with absolutely no larf?
It’s only done with the 420autoflower scrog method!

It doesn't look any worse that's for sure this would be hard to get definite science data to it with out using clones and testing equipment. From what I'm seeing it's the same just yield improvement don't see it having bad effects besides adding time and work to the grow. Granted this is my first time using this training method and haven't tried the buds yet so just going by looks and smells the quality is the same

At the end of the day what can it hurt to keep everything the same your doing watering and add a cheap scrog net and give it a try just using the training methods IMO it's the only way your going to truly know if your going to like it maybe it's not for you. I like it but don't think i'll be doing to every plant just cause of the work

I agree bro!
Don't over think it and just make the leap!

Here it is I thought @420autoflower posted some test results this is just comparing schwazzing plants

The proof is in the pudding buddy!
We prune the vegetables, flowers and even the trees that we grow to improve yield and overall health. Why would cannabis be any different?
Not just bro science…. I know from experience that heavy defoliation definitely increases yield and helps promote healthier growth.

Nebula's Cannabis Defoliation Experiment - Side-by-side grow journal | Grow Weed Easy​

...so it’s time for the second defoliation. Today is Defoliation day: Part 2 Natural tent Defoliated tent (before today’s 2nd defoliation) Here they are after the defoliation tent was plucked...

www.growweedeasy.com

I don’t know about you but I don’t count fluff bud so in my opinion the defoliated tent yielded close to 40% more than the naturally grown tent.

Found here:

Post in thread 'SCHWAZZING AUTOFLOWER'

Feb 9, 2025

I grow thousands of plants at a time. I've easily brought close to 40,000+ cannabis plants to full term commercially now and I run a commercial cannabis grow currently in Colorado.

I'd be more than happy to answer any questions you have about schwazzing plants.

That said, you WILL kindly watch your mouth when you're a guest on this forum. You've been insulting to multiple members here for no reason, and no one gives a shit about your justifications of acting that way. Being a rude asshole will get you booted from this forum; this is your only warning and I was hesitant to even...

• Olderfart

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Great comparison!
Final yield was similar but he mentioned the naturally grown tent produced a bunch of unwanted larf which I don’t count in my overall yield.